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Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 10:48
by handsofstone
It's one thing for us spotty little Herberts sitting in our parents back room in our transformer pj's drinking Stella not knowing the exact ruling here but a lot of fighters still claiming it's legit, surely they must know for certain
From what I gather anything below the naval is low, that part isn't too far from in line with the hip bone which seems fair, a lot of Dubois shots that strayed low were around the side on the rather than the balls/pelvis, that being correct, the shot is clearly illegal
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 11:11
by Nightmare Roy
handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 09:31
There were old ladies from Hyde, Greater Manchester in the 90s who took jabs better than Daniel Dubois
Ouch
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 11:25
by Boxing Prospect
jwfg wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 07:33
Coco wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 07:26
SendoTakeshi97 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 07:20
What does that have to do with anything?
That was the 9th round, he got hit by alot of clean punches before.
Dubois has alot of flaws, but he has a good chin and lots of power.
I don't care about Dubois at all, but he is receiving too much hate.
You ever got hit by a jab from a 100 kg top boxer?
Yes I have! A number of times and I was a lightweight!
I've also been hit on the belt before! As far as that goes I think the shot was legal
Does it not depend how low/high the shorts are? Also, some shorts have a much larger elasticated waste band than others.
The "belt" is defined as the top of the hip bone, and has nothing to do with the waist band of the short. The shorts could be around your titties, the belt is still where the hip bone is.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 11:34
by jwfg
Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 11:25
jwfg wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 07:33
Coco wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 07:26
Yes I have! A number of times and I was a lightweight!
I've also been hit on the belt before! As far as that goes I think the shot was legal
Does it not depend how low/high the shorts are? Also, some shorts have a much larger elasticated waste band than others.
The "belt" is defined as the top of the hip bone, and has nothing to do with the waist band of the short. The shorts could be around your titties, the belt is still where the hip bone is.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 12:18
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 13:43
by Blueprint
Quiter quit again. No sympathy for him.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 13:44
by leejonesjnr
Okay…
Usyk shorts were high - nope. They sat on the line of the protector which is dictated by the protector.
It wasn’t in the balls so wasn’t low - nope. Low is between hips and generally indicated by the ref at the start of the contest. I have been too busy to rewatch so will have to confirm if this happened later but I’d be surprised if not. A punch to the bladder area can be both dangerous and very painful, it’s not a legal scoring zone.
Dubois should be winner by KO - nope. We really don’t know that if the ref had judged the low blow to be legal that Usyk wouldn’t have got up and seen out the round. Perhaps he would, perhaps he wouldn’t.
Usyk used gamesmanship/played the referee - IMO nope. When has he ever been anything other than an absolute, genuine professional? It’s POSSIBLE that whilst easily boxing rings around Dubois that he felt the need to fake but that’s generally what people being soundly beaten do.
Dubois should now be the deserved champion - IMO nope. If the low blow had been judged to be legal AND Usyk wasn’t able to continue, he would be the same type of champion that Rahman was when he beat Lewis in their first contest, actually even less so as the contest was much less competitive.
The commentators said it was legal so it was legal - nope. No explanation needed.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 14:01
by emallini
The black man got robbed what a surprise
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 14:07
by samwbr
emallini wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 14:01
The black man got robbed what a surprise
He really wasn't
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 15:42
by SendoTakeshi97
Blueprint wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 13:43
Quiter quit again. No sympathy for him.
True.
By the way, when was the last time you fought someone to death?
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 15:47
by Steveh583
emallini wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 14:01
The black man got robbed what a surprise
Ridiculous comment
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 15:53
by SendoTakeshi97
Even in sports you can't avoid racist comments.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 16:21
by margaret thatcher
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 13:44
Okay…
Usyk shorts were high - nope. They sat on the line of the protector which is dictated by the protector.
It wasn’t in the balls so wasn’t low - nope. Low is between hips and generally indicated by the ref at the start of the contest. I have been too busy to rewatch so will have to confirm if this happened later but I’d be surprised if not. A punch to the bladder area can be both dangerous and very painful, it’s not a legal scoring zone.
Dubois should be winner by KO - nope. We really don’t know that if the ref had judged the low blow to be legal that Usyk wouldn’t have got up and seen out the round. Perhaps he would, perhaps he wouldn’t.
Usyk used gamesmanship/played the referee - IMO nope. When has he ever been anything other than an absolute, genuine professional? It’s POSSIBLE that whilst easily boxing rings around Dubois that he felt the need to fake but that’s generally what people being soundly beaten do.
Dubois should now be the deserved champion - IMO nope. If the low blow had been judged to be legal AND Usyk wasn’t able to continue, he would be the same type of champion that Rahman was when he beat Lewis in their first contest, actually even less so as the contest was much less competitive.
The commentators said it was legal so it was legal - nope. No explanation needed.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 16:24
by Ruthless-RKO
Dubois Admits: “I Became Disheartened, Lost Momentum After That Fifth Round”
"From then on, when he went down I thought 'OK, now the 10 count'. I knew he wasn't going to get up in time. He was holding his stomach. He couldn't move," Dubois told BBC Sport.
"But something in me just felt 'oh no, what's going on in here? This isn't right. Why isn't he being counted?' I'm looking ringside at what's going on, I see all craziness.
"I was thinking 'what's going on here, this is a blatant shot.' I told the referee I caught him and it wasn't low. It was just confusion at the time. I became disheartened and lost momentum after that, having to come back into the fight and try to push it.
"I was up against it, on enemy territory, but I wasn't out of my league. If that was in England that would be totally different. Circumstances make a big difference - home turf, home advantage."
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 16:26
by margaret thatcher
well that's a major mental weakness he's admitting to then
another fighter may view it as 'i lost every round, but look now i've shown i can hurt him and he's feeling it. time to push extra hard'
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 16:28
by Ruthless-RKO
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 16:26
well that's a major mental weakness he's admitting to then
another fighter may view it as 'i lost every round, but look now i've shown i can hurt him and he's feeling it. time to push extra hard'
If anything.. he should have used that momentum and jumped on him.
Usyk finished that round way stronger.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 16:33
by funso banjo baby
emallini wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 14:01
The black man got robbed what a surprise
Who is this loo roll?
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 17:38
by jasoncalara
punch is legit
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 18:23
by jwfg
emallini wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 14:01
The black man got robbed what a surprise
He got 'robbed' because he let Usyk repeatedly smack him in the face really hard.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 19:49
by Ruthless-RKO
Man this guy is the biggest troll in boxing
I didn’t mind him at first.. but the more air time he gets as well.. shocking person
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 21:06
by Twinkle Toes
Dev giving it large to his 900 followers.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 23:50
by tigermoth87
handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 10:48
It's one thing for us spotty little Herberts sitting in our parents back room in our transformer pj's drinking Stella not knowing the exact ruling here but a lot of fighters still claiming it's legit, surely they must know for certain
From what I gather anything below the naval is low, that part isn't too far from in line with the hip bone which seems fair, a lot of Dubois shots that strayed low were around the side on the rather than the balls/pelvis, that being correct, the shot is clearly illegal
Boxers always support their friend/countryman/stable buddy/whichever is of their race. So I wouldn't read too much into it.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 28 Aug 2023, 02:43
by Nightmare Roy
Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 21:06
Dev giving it large to his 900 followers.
Surprised he hasn't been on here emojiing it up
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 28 Aug 2023, 02:44
by Nightmare Roy
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 19:49
Man this guy is the biggest troll in boxing
I didn’t mind him at first.. but the more air time he gets as well.. shocking person
What an absolute fanny
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois - 26 August 2023
Posted: 28 Aug 2023, 02:53
by margaret thatcher
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023, 02:43
Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023, 21:06
Dev giving it large to his 900 followers.
Surprised he hasn't been on here emojiing it up
too busy with all the stuff in poland, he'll be on soon enough