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liamlion wrote: ↑10 Oct 2023, 13:17

bripez wrote: ↑02 Oct 2023, 08:34

BigDoofus wrote: ↑02 Oct 2023, 07:18
Or this?

"41 hotel rooms in Manchester, Frampton's purse withheld. lingerie and womens shoes in New York, £250 at a department store in Canterbury, £260 to a vet in Whitstable, £270 at an antiques store near Canterbury, £350 at a luxury furniture-maker in London, £365 at Marks & Spencer in Canterbury, £48 at a Tandoori restaurant in Canterbury on Christmas Eve, 855 complimentary tickets and 11 non-paying sponsors for Frampton-Martinez (the show made a "loss")

I do get it, however they did manage his career beautifully- a pathway to a world title and £million purses and I wouldn't begrudge Barry a chicken madras or Sandra some fancy nick nacks!

Are you sure? Didnt Frampton batter Kiko Martinez for the European title and yet Martinez got a shot at the IBF before Frampton and then defended that IBF title against Frampton as champion?

I think you have just proved my point.

Frampton got a world title shot in Belfast against somebody he had already "battered" (your words).

Lol did I actually, really...? That's certainly one interesting way to interpret it...

The other more rationale take might be; that a properly promoted fighter and winner of an eliminator should have fought for the title sooner than the loser of the eliminator...

maverick23 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2023, 14:43

steve689 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2023, 14:05 Aye he was well matched to million dollar purses but Frampton only about 30% of it!

I'm looking forward to reading the book. Will wait until the fuss dies down and it's cheaper. I got a few mentions in it so I'm told. Too afraid to look yet lol. Waiting the Barry hair dryer treatment again.

Ahhh right - did you work with Cyclone promotions?

Did the media for a couple of early promotions, then covered the rest of the story for local papers etc so saw much of it unfold. Could see some shit was about to go down years before the cracks all became public.

steve689 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 16:06

maverick23 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2023, 14:43

steve689 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2023, 14:05 Aye he was well matched to million dollar purses but Frampton only about 30% of it!

I'm looking forward to reading the book. Will wait until the fuss dies down and it's cheaper. I got a few mentions in it so I'm told. Too afraid to look yet lol. Waiting the Barry hair dryer treatment again.

Ahhh right - did you work with Cyclone promotions?

Did the media for a couple of early promotions, then covered the rest of the story for local papers etc so saw much of it unfold. Could see some shit was about to go down years before the cracks all became public.

Do tell your experience

wont go anywhere in the end apart from boxing rumours, kinnehans will make sure theres damaged limitations, their smart enough to know mcguigans aint ever running scared from them, will just be rumours as carl cant really bring daniel into the conversation the bald daddy boys fornicate. ruined an empire cos a henchman told him hed wring his neck with his bow tie, christy must regret not smothering him at birth the fame whore

will listen to this tomorrow on spotify

liamlion wrote: ↑10 Oct 2023, 18:22 Lol did I actually, really...? That's certainly one interesting way to interpret it...

The other more rationale take might be; that a properly promoted fighter and winner of an eliminator should have fought for the title sooner than the loser of the eliminator...

That sounds more like an IBF issue than a Cyclone one - I can't argue with the way Frampton, Taylor and Billam-Smith were brought along in terms of match-making and opportunities (obviously the financial side of things is another tale).

Glass Joe wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 10:36

will listen to this tomorrow on spotify

Enjoyed that, always got time to listen to Frampton, sound frlla with his head screwed on

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 14:44

Glass Joe wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 10:36

will listen to this tomorrow on spotify

Enjoyed that, always got time to listen to Frampton, sound frlla with his head screwed on

I always liked Frampton, but his "I hate Cyclone there love DK" mantra is indefensible. I can't bring myself to listen.

I have met Carl Frampton on a number of occasions, i remember on one occasion having a beer with him in Glasgow after a WBSS show.

I went away thinking what a top bloke he was and I still do now.

But I cant help but think why was he so naive for so long regarding his finances?

There seems to be a lot of boxers who reacted and dealt with their finances in a blazay/casual way …

Ricky Hatton and David Haye are 2 boxers who it could be argued dealt with their finances too casually

I think McGuigan's name, personality etc was a HUGE factor behind Frampton's successes.

I do not begrudge any boxer a huge success and a main stream career - but if you look at Frampton's resume. Its good yes, but his appeal was probably bigger than his success.

For example, who was really better prime for prime - Frampton or Lee Selby. It is probably very close, one was involved in massive stateside fights, massive ESPN fight deals and 24/7 style documentaries - the other would struggle to fill a leisure centre.

stujones wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 07:58 I think McGuigan's name, personality etc was a HUGE factor behind Frampton's successes.

I do not begrudge any boxer a huge success and a main stream career - but if you look at Frampton's resume. Its good yes, but his appeal was probably bigger than his success.

For example, who was really better prime for prime - Frampton or Lee Selby. It is probably very close, one was involved in massive stateside fights, massive ESPN fight deals and 24/7 style documentaries - the other would struggle to fill a leisure centre.

Agreed. That doesn’t mean Barry should take the piss and rip Carl off though. It just means he’s done a really good job for his 10% (or whatever it was) management commission.

stujones wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 07:58 I think McGuigan's name, personality etc was a HUGE factor behind Frampton's successes.

I do not begrudge any boxer a huge success and a main stream career - but if you look at Frampton's resume. Its good yes, but his appeal was probably bigger than his success.

For example, who was really better prime for prime - Frampton or Lee Selby. It is probably very close, one was involved in massive stateside fights, massive ESPN fight deals and 24/7 style documentaries - the other would struggle to fill a leisure centre.

Barry was very good at managing Carl but at the end of the day Carl had to win the fights.

His resume was better than selbys. He is also charismatic and has done a great job in promoting himself and getting good media gigs.

Spud wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 07:49 I have met Carl Frampton on a number of occasions, i remember on one occasion having a beer with him in Glasgow after a WBSS show.

I went away thinking what a top bloke he was and I still do now.

But I cant help but think why was he so naive for so long regarding his finances?

There seems to be a lot of boxers who reacted and dealt with their finances in a blazay/casual way …

Ricky Hatton and David Haye are 2 boxers who it could be argued dealt with their finances too casually

Wet behind the ears and had Barry and his whole family getting in his ear. They sounded like a bit of a cult in the book.

Then was probably too embarrassed when he realised things were dodgy and stuck his head in the sand.

Spud wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 07:49 I have met Carl Frampton on a number of occasions, i remember on one occasion having a beer with him in Glasgow after a WBSS show.

I went away thinking what a top bloke he was and I still do now.

But I cant help but think why was he so naive for so long regarding his finances?

There seems to be a lot of boxers who reacted and dealt with their finances in a blazay/casual way …

Ricky Hatton and David Haye are 2 boxers who it could be argued dealt with their finances too casually

I can conclude he was the one who bought the pint. All hail Carl and DK if he bought Spud a pint...

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 16:32

Spud wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 07:49 I have met Carl Frampton on a number of occasions, i remember on one occasion having a beer with him in Glasgow after a WBSS show.

I went away thinking what a top bloke he was and I still do now.

But I cant help but think why was he so naive for so long regarding his finances?

There seems to be a lot of boxers who reacted and dealt with their finances in a blazay/casual way …

Ricky Hatton and David Haye are 2 boxers who it could be argued dealt with their finances too casually

I can conclude he was the one who bought the pint. All hail Carl and DK if he bought Spud a pint...

You mentioned on another thread that i have had my begging bowl out on this forum.

A few years ago I was diagnosed with Parkinson’s and my wife was raising money in 2022 for Parkinson’s UK in which she raised a substantial sum of money for the cause.

How you can mock that is incredibly sad what a total **** you are.

maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 08:11

stujones wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 07:58 I think McGuigan's name, personality etc was a HUGE factor behind Frampton's successes.

I do not begrudge any boxer a huge success and a main stream career - but if you look at Frampton's resume. Its good yes, but his appeal was probably bigger than his success.

For example, who was really better prime for prime - Frampton or Lee Selby. It is probably very close, one was involved in massive stateside fights, massive ESPN fight deals and 24/7 style documentaries - the other would struggle to fill a leisure centre.

Agreed. That doesn’t mean Barry should take the piss and rip Carl off though. It just means he’s done a really good job for his 10% (or whatever it was) management commission.

Precisely, one doesn't excuse the other.

Spud wrote: ↑14 Oct 2023, 03:21

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 16:32

Spud wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 07:49 I have met Carl Frampton on a number of occasions, i remember on one occasion having a beer with him in Glasgow after a WBSS show.

I went away thinking what a top bloke he was and I still do now.

But I cant help but think why was he so naive for so long regarding his finances?

There seems to be a lot of boxers who reacted and dealt with their finances in a blazay/casual way …

Ricky Hatton and David Haye are 2 boxers who it could be argued dealt with their finances too casually

I can conclude he was the one who bought the pint. All hail Carl and DK if he bought Spud a pint...

You mentioned on another thread that i have had my begging bowl out on this forum.

A few years ago I was diagnosed with Parkinson’s and my wife was raising money in 2022 for Parkinson’s UK in which she raised a substantial sum of money for the cause.

How you can mock that is incredibly sad what a total **** you are.

And furthermore Spud has put his money where his mouth is in betting terms!

In the fantasy league this year he will be owing me 50 quid after he has been trampled all over!

If I lose the 50 quid goes to his charity

It wont hurt losing to you but my son & “Deserter” will kill me

Spud wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 07:49 I have met Carl Frampton on a number of occasions, i remember on one occasion having a beer with him in Glasgow after a WBSS show.

I went away thinking what a top bloke he was and I still do now.

But I cant help but think why was he so naive for so long regarding his finances?

There seems to be a lot of boxers who reacted and dealt with their finances in a blazay/casual way …

Ricky Hatton and David Haye are 2 boxers who it could be argued dealt with their finances too casually

THING IS a lot of boxers , succesful boxers rely on managers to steer there carreers , when a manager takes more than his share , its just blatantly ripping off and stealing , Oh my name is Mgugan or Joe Bloe and without my name he would'nt of been succesful is a crock of shite , he's the manager its his job for what he gets paid and taking more is just theft , plus if the said manager did'nt have the talent of the boxer his management fee's would work into hundreds not thousands .

But regards a lot of boxers getting caught out and seemingly not catching on , theres a simple answer most are not rhode scholars , most started at what 10-11-- 12 , and while the kid in the seat next to him was studying and learning maths and arithmatic , interest rates ect ect , our little guy was day dreaming of being a boxing champ and not listening , now i know it does.nt apply to everyone , but it certainly does to a lot who are gullibl to boot , and trust there managers , promoters ect , and especielly when he's a national hero a world renowned name

I agree with the above, but it seems even worse when family get involved - eg. Barry himself left Mr Eastwood, also Naz and Hatton

stujones wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 07:58 I think McGuigan's name, personality etc was a HUGE factor behind Frampton's successes.

I do not begrudge any boxer a huge success and a main stream career - but if you look at Frampton's resume. Its good yes, but his appeal was probably bigger than his success.

For example, who was really better prime for prime - Frampton or Lee Selby. It is probably very close, one was involved in massive stateside fights, massive ESPN fight deals and 24/7 style documentaries - the other would struggle to fill a leisure centre.

Selby is the flip side of the coin. He got paid huge sums for his Haymon/PBC fights. Looked after his money well and him and his family are financially secure.

Yeah pretty sure I saw Selby got $600k for the fight in America (think it was in Ohoenix and he had a tough night.)

Spud wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 07:49 I have met Carl Frampton on a number of occasions, i remember on one occasion having a beer with him in Glasgow after a WBSS show.

I went away thinking what a top bloke he was and I still do now.

But I cant help but think why was he so naive for so long regarding his finances?

There seems to be a lot of boxers who reacted and dealt with their finances in a blazay/casual way …

Ricky Hatton and David Haye are 2 boxers who it could be argued dealt with their finances too casually

Come Spud you know better than that? You knew were close in the camps. Ricky,David and Carl thought they had trust the people looking after their finances. They kept their end of the bargain by keep winning. Unfortunately,they were let down.

Muttley wrote: ↑14 Oct 2023, 13:18

Spud wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 07:49 I have met Carl Frampton on a number of occasions, i remember on one occasion having a beer with him in Glasgow after a WBSS show.

I went away thinking what a top bloke he was and I still do now.

But I cant help but think why was he so naive for so long regarding his finances?

There seems to be a lot of boxers who reacted and dealt with their finances in a blazay/casual way …

Ricky Hatton and David Haye are 2 boxers who it could be argued dealt with their finances too casually

Come Spud you know better than that? You knew were close in the camps. Ricky,David and Carl thought they had trust the people looking after their finances. They kept their end of the bargain by keep winning. Unfortunately,they were let down.

Yes I see your point entirely but with the who
To trust point … for example I used to run the
Finances for David Hayes appearances and after Dinner speaking … i didnt have to keep going to
David asking permission to use the money for expenditure so that was as follows:

Davids fee - £8k to £10k
Appearance at a club - 2k to £3k
Travel to venue
Memorabilia sales
Drinks tab
Hotel fees for David & entourage
Spud’s percentage

After each dinner i used to produce an income
& expenditure to ensure there was no misunderstandings - I also where possible produced receipts.

If I didn’t produce the above David wouldnt
Have had a clue