Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 01:48
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Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 01:49
Calzaghe's surely wishing he was 15 years younger right now!
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 01:49
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 01:50
Or maybe he shouldn't.Grilling Machine wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 01:49 Calzaghe's surely wishing he was 15 years younger right now!
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 01:51
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 01:53
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 02:17
I am far from a Canelo groupie, but he rates in any boxing era. Historically great resume, chin, defense, longevity, adaptability, and class.Fray Bentos wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 01:38 It's all about levels, you can't box on the backfoot against Alvarez with slow footwork because all he did was close him down and throw basic shots and win every round. I don't think Callum could have gone out on his 'shield' without getting KO'd within 30 seconds but he showed grit, heart - I think Canelo broke his nose in the ninth round with that uppercut so - he stuck it out to lose on points.
What's worse is how much boxing has regressed - could you imagine 1985 Thomas Hearns having trouble with either of these for a few rounds? Chavez and how he closed his opponents off with bodyshots and combinations - he was mesmerising to watch - the way HE totally broke down Edwin Rosario - who was a class boxer himself - and he just dismantled him. If we're going to knock Smith, then we should knock Canelo because compared to the no.1's of the past, he doesn't set the world alight either.
Yeah, he's the best around now but so what! Meh!
Canelo just dismantled a prime monster at 168; completely outclassed him; busted him up; out jabbed him.
Terrific performance.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 02:30
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 02:56
Jaime Munguia has to be the big fight for Canelo next year
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 03:08
Canelo is now getting that same aura Chavez had in his prime.
The opponents end up fighting scared and it gives Canelo 3-4 rounds before the bell has even rung.
The difference is Chavez would get the opponent out of there inside the distance
The opponents end up fighting scared and it gives Canelo 3-4 rounds before the bell has even rung.
The difference is Chavez would get the opponent out of there inside the distance
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 03:09
Smith has regressed due to inactivity imo. It started in the Ryder fight, continues here. He's spent too much time sitting on the sidelines waiting for the stadium fight. Poor management for me.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 03:20
He wasn't that inactive before Ryder. He had a regular schedule of the nowadays' champion.Black Sam Bellamy wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 03:09 Smith has regressed due to inactivity imo. It started in the Ryder fight, continues here. He's spent too much time sitting on the sidelines waiting for the stadium fight. Poor management for me.
Anyway, the Ryder bout kinda exposed him indeed. Without it Smith would have looked as a more challenging matchup for Canelo.
And after a such effortless performance Smith now will be considered as sh!t by many.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 03:31
Anyone know the sparring partners for Smith?
He seemed to lack ideas on what to do, I mean its different when you have someone as good as Canelo facing you
He seemed to lack ideas on what to do, I mean its different when you have someone as good as Canelo facing you
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 03:38
His major idea was to counter-punch against a counter-puncher. Genious! And he barely attempted to use his range.Old bones Ian wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 03:31 He seemed to lack ideas on what to do, I mean its different when you have someone as good as Canelo facing you
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 03:42
You're entitled to that opinion and many might agree but I can't agree with it...ironbeard wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 02:17I am far from a Canelo groupie, but he rates in any boxing era. Historically great resume, chin, defense, longevity, adaptability, and class.Fray Bentos wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 01:38 It's all about levels, you can't box on the backfoot against Alvarez with slow footwork because all he did was close him down and throw basic shots and win every round. I don't think Callum could have gone out on his 'shield' without getting KO'd within 30 seconds but he showed grit, heart - I think Canelo broke his nose in the ninth round with that uppercut so - he stuck it out to lose on points.
What's worse is how much boxing has regressed - could you imagine 1985 Thomas Hearns having trouble with either of these for a few rounds? Chavez and how he closed his opponents off with bodyshots and combinations - he was mesmerising to watch - the way HE totally broke down Edwin Rosario - who was a class boxer himself - and he just dismantled him. If we're going to knock Smith, then we should knock Canelo because compared to the no.1's of the past, he doesn't set the world alight either.
Yeah, he's the best around now but so what! Meh!
Canelo just dismantled a prime monster at 168; completely outclassed him; busted him up; out jabbed him.
Terrific performance.
Do you think Hagler, Hearns, SRL, Napoles, Monzon, JCC, Emile Griffith, Duran etc wouldn't school Canelo badly based on his performance today?
I am not saying he is a bad fighter, he isn't bad but the dearth of talent today is woeful - Wilfred Benitez would have won every bloody round! Thomas Hearns would have had him out of there within a few rounds...
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 04:12
Smith has never shown the form that would be needed to beat Alvarez, and the size difference was never a factor in Smith's favour.
You don't go from a life and death struggle with Ryder to beating the like of Alvarez. I had my doubts about Smith before the fight and this all but confirmed them.
It's about levels - We've seen this enough times over the past few weeks.
You don't go from a life and death struggle with Ryder to beating the like of Alvarez. I had my doubts about Smith before the fight and this all but confirmed them.
It's about levels - We've seen this enough times over the past few weeks.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 04:27
Fray Bentos wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 03:42You're entitled to that opinion and many might agree but I can't agree with it...ironbeard wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 02:17I am far from a Canelo groupie, but he rates in any boxing era. Historically great resume, chin, defense, longevity, adaptability, and class.Fray Bentos wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 01:38 It's all about levels, you can't box on the backfoot against Alvarez with slow footwork because all he did was close him down and throw basic shots and win every round. I don't think Callum could have gone out on his 'shield' without getting KO'd within 30 seconds but he showed grit, heart - I think Canelo broke his nose in the ninth round with that uppercut so - he stuck it out to lose on points.
What's worse is how much boxing has regressed - could you imagine 1985 Thomas Hearns having trouble with either of these for a few rounds? Chavez and how he closed his opponents off with bodyshots and combinations - he was mesmerising to watch - the way HE totally broke down Edwin Rosario - who was a class boxer himself - and he just dismantled him. If we're going to knock Smith, then we should knock Canelo because compared to the no.1's of the past, he doesn't set the world alight either.
Yeah, he's the best around now but so what! Meh!
Canelo just dismantled a prime monster at 168; completely outclassed him; busted him up; out jabbed him.
Terrific performance.
Do you think Hagler, Hearns, SRL, Napoles, Monzon, JCC, Emile Griffith, Duran etc wouldn't school Canelo badly based on his performance today?
I am not saying he is a bad fighter, he isn't bad but the dearth of talent today is woeful - Wilfred Benitez would have won every bloody round! Thomas Hearns would have had him out of there within a few rounds...
- You're entitled to your blubber even as others would abhor it and your slow twitch reaction times.
Wilfredo was the King of split decisions because he seldom trained and so on. I'm not saying your guys are bad fighters, ie Marv and Duran my favs, but Duran tapped out of greatness @welter and Marv strictly a middlewt and so on.
Like most, you think your heroes end all arguements, a rather pedestrian intellectual limitation. Callum first ever Ali Trophy winner and a Ring Champ and unbeaten to boot though doubtless you thought Ryder beat him. Not hardly, and Callum put up a magnificent effort in spite of being outgunned, outgeneraled and carrying a horrendous injury to his left fighting implement that further reduced him caused by the greatest fighter of his generation.
Frankly, you didn't deserve to watch such a great fight given your intellectual limitations, but you did and now carry that shame for the remainder of your years...unless...unless you can mount a credible comeback to the actual reality of that moment in time.
Git thee and thy blubber in synchronization pronto lest your window of opportunity is shattered forever.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 04:42
fornicate off you prick - hows that for my 'intellectual limitations'BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 04:27Fray Bentos wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 03:42You're entitled to that opinion and many might agree but I can't agree with it...ironbeard wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 02:17
I am far from a Canelo groupie, but he rates in any boxing era. Historically great resume, chin, defense, longevity, adaptability, and class.
Canelo just dismantled a prime monster at 168; completely outclassed him; busted him up; out jabbed him.
Terrific performance.
Do you think Hagler, Hearns, SRL, Napoles, Monzon, JCC, Emile Griffith, Duran etc wouldn't school Canelo badly based on his performance today?
I am not saying he is a bad fighter, he isn't bad but the dearth of talent today is woeful - Wilfred Benitez would have won every bloody round! Thomas Hearns would have had him out of there within a few rounds...
- You're entitled to your blubber even as others would abhor it and your slow twitch reaction times.
Wilfredo was the King of split decisions because he seldom trained and so on. I'm not saying your guys are bad fighters, ie Marv and Duran my favs, but Duran tapped out of greatness @welter and Marv strictly a middlewt and so on.
Like most, you think your heroes end all arguements, a rather pedestrian intellectual limitation. Callum first ever Ali Trophy winner and a Ring Champ and unbeaten to boot though doubtless you thought Ryder beat him. Not hardly, and Callum put up a magnificent effort in spite of being outgunned, outgeneraled and carrying a horrendous injury to his left fighting implement that further reduced him caused by the greatest fighter of his generation.
Frankly, you didn't deserve to watch such a great fight given your intellectual limitations, but you did and now carry that shame for the remainder of your years...unless...unless you can mount a credible comeback to the actual reality of that moment in time.
Git thee and thy blubber in synchronization pronto lest your window of opportunity is shattered forever.
Smith did try his best, I am hoping he is not criticised for his attempt - he was a level or two below Canelo and didn't have the footwork required to get out of the way of the shorter man who just went in, threw mostly single shots and stepped on his toes - if Smith wanted to be a hero and 'go out on his shield' he would have got knocked out - Canelo was happy and content not to get out of first gear. Fine - if that's what you like.
Duran tapped out (strange terminology... don't tell me, you have the t-shirt) when he was an old man and against someone who was the absolute opposite of Alvarez - no way Duran would have had any problems with Alvarez and Benitez would have schooled him - of course, the Benitez who starched Maurice Hope! Not the one past his prime - a prime any of those i mentioned wouldn't have had a problem with Canelo.
Do you think Canelo goes five rounds with a 1985 Thomas Hearns - get real!
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 04:57
There’s a few ways to beat Canelo. Throw a billion punches and move (I.e. be calzaghe), have a chin made of granite and throw 2 for every one you take (GGG), or be Mayweather. Smith had next to no ideas
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 04:59
Liam Smith is as tough as they come the guy has the heart of a lionNoScoutingReports wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 01:23Liam is a fcuking game fighter mate, always coming forward with decent output and digs in even when outclassed. Him and Munguia was a fun watch.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 01:19 Smith has always been the best Smith.. but now I’m thinking.. has he?? Is he??
Liam put up a better fight.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 05:02
Canelo getting underrated on here.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 05:06
Absolutely. Just watched the fight, came on here, and surprised by what I'm reading.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 05:11
You think? Maybe. I think he's absolutely awesome. Easily p4p best.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 05:14
He’s not being underrated the man is a great fighter, Let’s keep things in perspective though. He got played with by Mayweather, he arguably lost both fights against Golovkin (no question he lost the first) and a lot of people thought he was lucky to get the decision against Lara.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - 19 December 2020
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 05:15