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Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 02 Aug 2019, 14:13
by ewenhay
The other thing that confuses me is why were there two different bodies testing for the fight?
There needs to be one official testing body per fight. And all testing bodies need to agree on standardised testing criteria.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 02 Aug 2019, 14:14
by ewenhay
tobyh5 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 14:13
ewenhay wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 14:11
Do the two bodies have different levels to constitute an adverse finding?
A situation like that could find him passing one test and failing the other one
No idea mate but I’d imagine d Bol is a zero tolerance as it’s synthetic. Body cannot produce it and it’s not in any known supplements so cannot get into system by accident. .
Yeah good point re the zero tolerance
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 02 Aug 2019, 18:51
by keirw
Does the fact that VADA test blood and Ukad test urine have any bearing?
Perhaps one shows trace amounts for longer than the other?
Or certain substances could be used to mask one but not the other?
I really have no idea about any of this stuff.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 02 Aug 2019, 18:55
by Boxerbeetle
Seems to me that there’s a deliberate and obvious attempt at obfuscation here. Who gives a fvck what the tiny differences between UKAD/VADA might be.
WHYTE FAILED A PED TEST
He needs to conclusively prove otherwise.
Anything else is just #fakenews.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 02 Aug 2019, 19:50
by coneye
I think Toby explained it quite well , time being the factor , he passed Vada and did'nt have the time to clear before Ukad , i don't know what the stuff is but if its banned its banned , perhaps , they allowed him to go ahead because he claimed innocent and they need the B sample for absolute proof , Its all smoke and mirrors ,
What i find weird and really weird is this Dean Whyte stuff , if his name is'nt Whyte , and he's not Whytes brother , WHY oh WHY , would he call himself Whyte and claim to be his brother , thats some real weird shit going on there . You can see the guy likes the camera and likes to get his face out there , but to take another mans name is creepy .
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 02 Aug 2019, 19:54
by oogiebe
coneye wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 19:50
I think Toby explained it quite well , time being the factor , he passed Vada and did'nt have the time to clear before Ukad , i don't know what the stuff is but if its banned its banned , perhaps , they allowed him to go ahead because he claimed innocent and they need the B sample for absolute proof , Its all smoke and mirrors ,
What i find weird and really weird is this Dean Whyte stuff , if his name is'nt Whyte , and he's not Whytes brother , WHY oh WHY , would he call himself Whyte and claim to be his brother , thats some real weird poo going on there . You can see the guy likes the camera and likes to get his face out there , but to take another mans name is creepy .
Maybe they are married.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 02:27
by Controversial
Also I can’t work out why Whyte would pay thousands for VADA testing when UKAD test anyway?
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 03:11
by JimStone
Controversial wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 02:27
Also I can’t work out why Whyte would pay thousands for VADA testing when UKAD test anyway?
Whyte is signed up to the WBC 'Clean Boxing Program' which involves VADA testing as a prerequisite irrespective of whether or not you are obliged to be tested by other bodies on behalf of e.g. local commissions.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 03:22
by samwbr
Still no facts then about what was or wasnt found?
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 03:26
by tobyh5
samwbr wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 03:22
Still no facts then about what was or wasnt found?
As the mooted substance is such a naughty one, do you feel that if it was not true, they would have found a way to deny it, even if via a "leak"?
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 03:31
by samwbr
tobyh5 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 03:26
samwbr wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 03:22
Still no facts then about what was or wasnt found?
As the mooted substance is such a naughty one, do you feel that if it was not true, they would have found a way to deny it, even if via a "leak"?
I dont know what to think tbh. It's not clear at all in either direction.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 03:40
by Datsue
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 18:55
Seems to me that there’s a deliberate and obvious attempt at obfuscation here. Who gives a fvck what the tiny differences between UKAD/VADA might be.
WHYTE FAILED A PED TEST
He needs to conclusively prove otherwise.
Anything else is just #fakenews.
^ 100% this.
From Fearon smearing Rivas to every single publicity fiddle Eddeh is pulling, not once have they gone "There wasn't d-bol in me piss". Nothing but wool-pulling & half-truths & hammering home arcane technicalities to cast doubt on the only actual facts, which were as you said;
WHYTE FAILED A PED TEST
Matchroom & all their little helpers have come out of this as such a pack of lying cuntweasels. I mean, we knew that already, but they look like the right wing of the Labour party after all this...
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 03:43
by Boxing Prospect
Controversial wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 14:01
tobyh5 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 13:56
I will admit that my knowledge is rubbish on gear, I have no interest in it and never touched it but I am going with logic and what I have seen written down, overheard at the gym and bodybuilding shows and some google. (so basiclly this is a pile of shite probably)
But it is nothing to do with testing for different things as in this instance it is dbol which is a definite no no by everyone (this part I know!). It is a PED, not a stim.
The difference in tests can be down to many factors - different tests days and times being the obvious and probable reason as drugs have a half life (they half in your system every x hours and then become undetectable).
In the case of Dbol, a small amount can be effective (but less so) and that can start to half life quite quickly.
This would explain 1. why VADA picked nothing up as time lapse let it start to vanish and 2. why only trace amounts found as only a small amount taken and it already vanishing, so really, it is lucky they timed it to get any reading at all.
Another reason is something called "Pulsing", but that is a whole nother long ass post
So could it be that such a tiny trace was found that it could be argued that it wouldn't have any affect? Kind of like having a breathalyser test and alcohol being in your system but within the legal limit?
Otherwise I can't understand how a banned substance can be found but then he is given the all clear to fight, that makes no sense does it.
Imagine being wasted the night before, driving home then getting the test the following morning as you're leaving the house. The morning test has a lower amount of alcohol in your system, but they tested the night before you'd have been proper fucked
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 03:46
by Datsue
Controversial wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 14:01Otherwise I can't understand how a banned substance can be found but then he is given the all clear to fight, that makes no sense does it.
Um, apart from his rich & powerful promoter pulled every string in the fornicating book to try to get the failed result ignored on a technicality, thinking "Win the fight & we'll deal with this later, worked for Fury so fornicate it...", you mean?
Occam's razor, innit.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 04:07
by danconnollyeire
ewenhay wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 14:13
The other thing that confuses me is why were there two different bodies testing for the fight?
There needs to be one official testing body per fight. And all testing bodies need to agree on standardised testing criteria.
That question is simpler to answer. UKAD are the official British testers for sport in general so they’re there on behalf of BBBoC. VADA are hired by promoters/orgs as they’re good at what they do
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 04:40
by tobyh5
I have just had a thought, or another angle to look at this whole thing.
Passing VADA is being used to cast doubt on a failed UKAD test. It should be the other way round. A failed UKAD test should raise questions over passed VADA test.
Further, the fact he was tested throughout camp by VADA and not caught, when we know he used PED's (he has to of, its in his p1ss), suggests it is easy to use PED's and pass VADA tests. So further again and bigger picture - remind me again why we are to believe AJ is clean? Oh, because he pays for and passes VADA.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 05:03
by bripez
Does anybody know the dates he took the two tests?
Unless he took both tests at the same time (not even on the same day) then there could be different results, as he could have taken a masking agent after one test but before the other.
I agree though that by using this to create confusion has opened up a whole can of worms that Eddie might regret
I also think that all TUE’s should be publicly available information - we will then see how many top boxers have asthma
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 05:21
by samwbr
tobyh5 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 04:40
I have just had a thought, or another angle to look at this whole thing.
Passing VADA is being used to cast doubt on a failed UKAD test. It should be the other way round. A failed UKAD test should raise questions over passed VADA test.
Further, the fact he was tested throughout camp by VADA and not caught, when we know he used PED's (he has to of, its in his p1ss), suggests it is easy to use PED's and pass VADA tests. So further again and bigger picture - remind me again why we are to believe AJ is clean? Oh, because he pays for and passes VADA.
We dont 'know' . Not yet.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 05:23
by JimStone
tobyh5 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 04:40
I have just had a thought, or another angle to look at this whole thing.
Passing VADA is being used to cast doubt on a failed UKAD test. It should be the other way round. A failed UKAD test should raise questions over passed VADA test.
Further, the fact he was tested throughout camp by VADA and not caught, when we know he used PED's (he has to of, its in his p1ss), suggests it is easy to use PED's and pass VADA tests. So further again and bigger picture - remind me again why we are to believe AJ is clean? Oh, because he pays for and passes VADA.
The way VADA is funded leaves it open to temptation and accusations of corruption.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 05:26
by tobyh5
samwbr wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 05:21
tobyh5 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 04:40
I have just had a thought, or another angle to look at this whole thing.
Passing VADA is being used to cast doubt on a failed UKAD test. It should be the other way round. A failed UKAD test should raise questions over passed VADA test.
Further, the fact he was tested throughout camp by VADA and not caught, when we know he used PED's (he has to of, its in his p1ss), suggests it is easy to use PED's and pass VADA tests. So further again and bigger picture - remind me again why we are to believe AJ is clean? Oh, because he pays for and passes VADA.
We dont 'know' . Not yet.
Ok. But go with it being the case, do you disagree with the sentiment I’m expressing ?
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 05:48
by samwbr
tobyh5 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 05:26
samwbr wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 05:21
We dont 'know' . Not yet.
Ok. But go with it being the case, do you disagree with the sentiment I’m expressing ?
I'm not sure I can go with it. I just want the facts tbh. Something has gone on, in breach of regs or it wasn't. I want to know what it was. Whether that ever comes out or it just kind of slips by a la Fury, we will have to wait.
It's a bad look tho.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 08:30
by coneye
I know we have Miller ,Canelo , who was an out and out cheat .. But it really does put British boxing in a bad light , Hugh and Tyson Fury , Whyte , Saunders , Course Eddie will blame it on UK having stricter and more testing , but really its not good is it
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 08:35
by Counter-puncher
tobyh5 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 04:40
I have just had a thought, or another angle to look at this whole thing.
Passing VADA is being used to cast doubt on a failed UKAD test.
It should be the other way round. A failed UKAD test should raise questions over passed VADA test.
Further, the fact he was tested throughout camp by VADA and not caught, when we know he used PED's (he has to of, its in his p1ss), suggests it is easy to use PED's and pass VADA tests. So further again and bigger picture - remind me again why we are to believe AJ is clean? Oh, because he pays for and passes VADA.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 08:57
by Nondescript
Now this is interesting because it kinda gives off indications as to what UKAD's mindset is towards Whyte at the moment imo-
DILLIAN WHYTE’S protege John Harding Jr was randomly “jumped on” by UK Anti-Doping last night, according to their shared trainer Mark Tibbs.
Brixton heavyweight Whyte is currently battling to clear his name after a UKAD red flag before his July 20 win over Oscar Rivas.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun ... esting/amp
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 03 Aug 2019, 09:01
by Controversial
Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 03:43
Controversial wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 14:01
So could it be that such a tiny trace was found that it could be argued that it wouldn't have any affect? Kind of like having a breathalyser test and alcohol being in your system but within the legal limit?
Otherwise I can't understand how a banned substance can be found but then he is given the all clear to fight, that makes no sense does it.
Imagine being wasted the night before, driving home then getting the test the following morning as you're leaving the house. The morning test has a lower amount of alcohol in your system, but they tested the night before you'd have been proper fucked
Yeah I appreciate that and that's what I meant, was it such a microscopic trace that was found that it could argued it wouldn't give him any advantage in the fight? In the same way a trace level of alcohol in your system wouldn't affect your ability to drive? Otherwise if the amount found is irrelevant then why was he given the nod to fight, thats the bit I can't work out.