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Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 15:09
by big kev
What a fanny...
just starting to get on the khan band wagon.
suppose this is my stop :>
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 15:23
by stujones
Maidana has power okay, but he's very limited and lost to Kotelnik. I know what Chambers is saying about Malingnaggi but I would consider that a big step up. It would be a tasty fight, in a very different way - Malignaggi would certainly test Khan's offensive skills.... we are all saying Khan is world class offensively, not really consistently had the chance to prove that. Malignaggi with his chin, hand speed, workrate and stamina would pose plenty of other questions.
Yes, some of us (myself included) thought the same of Kotelnik, but difference between Malignaggi and Kotelnik is Malignaggi handles a wider variety of styles better than Kotelnik - who doesn't like coming forward. Malignaggi doesn't mind playing the role of the counter boxer, and doesn't mind coming forward.
I personally think Khan out boxes Maidana all night long. He's too slow to worry his defense - Victor Ortiz fought like a crab against him. I actually think it will be a dull fight, well we'll be intrigued all throughout it - "will he land" but its not something we would play back.
To be honest, Khan's chin is so questionable I'm watching even if he's against the lightest puncher - e.g. Kotelnik.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 15:38
by lefthook82
I doubt he vacates. Khan needs a title to sell the PPV. Public arent quite going to understand him giving up one belt and going for another one. He is not ricky hatton that can trade off that p4p shit he did before get beat by pacquaio
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 18:30
by whiskey
I said he'd swerve Maidana weeks before the poo started running down his leg and ending up on press releases.
Anyone who says "lets leave him alone until it comes out officially" needs a reality check.
He's the most protected fighter i've ever seen in my life and is destined to be the next David Reid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shUqYIkMXu0
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 18:46
by stujones
Not sure I see the comparison with David Reid, the guy fought Tito Trinidad after a dozen or so fights.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 04:59
by Nightmare Roy
I knew it wouldn't come off Maidana would take Khan head off with a jab.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 05:09
by whiskey
stujones wrote:Not sure I see the comparison with David Reid, the guy fought Tito Trinidad after a dozen or so fights.
Reid was lorded as the next Oscar, with a medal from the olympics and the boxing world swarming for him, despite actually doing nothing as a pro. As soon as he did step it up a level he got brutalised.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 06:15
by tonyevs
never get bored of watching that
Incidentally. How he started in that fight is exactly how he started against Salita ... so when people bang on about the new and improved Khan, surely it means a return to the tomato cans he fought before Prescott.
One other thing. You got to give Khan credit for wanting to get up .. he does have a fighters heart.
But no matter what excuse his cheerleaders chant - his chin is poop
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 08:33
by Chambers2
stujones wrote:Maidana has power okay, but he's very limited and lost to Kotelnik. I know what Chambers is saying about Malingnaggi but I would consider that a big step up. It would be a tasty fight, in a very different way - Malignaggi would certainly test Khan's offensive skills.... we are all saying Khan is world class offensively, not really consistently had the chance to prove that. Malignaggi with his chin, hand speed, workrate and stamina would pose plenty of other questions.
Yeah I see what you're saying, He'd definately pose some different questions
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 09:17
by stujones
G0mez wrote:stujones wrote:Not sure I see the comparison with David Reid, the guy fought Tito Trinidad after a dozen or so fights.
Reid was lorded as the next Oscar, with a medal from the olympics and the boxing world swarming for him, despite actually doing nothing as a pro. As soon as he did step it up a level he got brutalised.
He didn't just step up a level, he stepped up against one of the finest fighters of his generation after 14 fights.
His world title defences were against acceptable opponents.... Keith Mullings had only just lost his version of the world title - Kevin Kelly was decent also.
Before winning the world title he'd fought guys like Simon Brown (who just fought for the world Middleweight title the fight before) and Jorge Vacca (in his 4th fight). As well as undefeated guys like Robert Frazier, who would go on to fight for numerous world title himself.
Comparisons are there cause of their Olympic success and the fact both are Chinny as hell. The reason why David Reid was finished at 25 and Khan is going strong at 23 is because Reid stuffed alot of decent fighters in a short career and Tito knocked the stuffing out of him.
No-one should ever have bought the Hype the Reid was going to be a legend, he never looked that good and had a terrible chin. Khan's career has been a slow burner compared to Reid's.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 10:28
by reggaereggae
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:In a way I dont blame him, another KO loss against an unknown is going to ruin his career. Maidana brings plenty of risk and little reward.
Fair point - but then Khan can't moan about British fans having a dislike to him, if he keeps ducking fighters that will test him.
And they have to keep paying £15 on top of their Sky subscription to have the pleasure of watching him demolish another non-punching bum like Salita
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 10:51
by terminator
Those are old quotes from Roach after the Kotelnik fight.
The purse bids are on the 18th January so let's wait till then to see if Khan vacates or not.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 11:55
by bigjack
tonyevs wrote:Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:In a way I dont blame him, another KO loss against an unknown is going to ruin his career. Maidana brings plenty of risk and little reward.
Khan should be lobbying to get a Mayweather fight if Mayweathers available, worst case he gets schooled and stopped while picking up a big cheque and the best case is he beats the best in the world. Failing that he should chase Hatton or Marquez, both massive names
Roland rat in with Mayweather jr.?????
He gets brutally stopped .. his boxing skills are nowhere close to Floyds ... so he ain`t gonna be able to stay out of the way for long. And Mayweather is pretty under-rated in the punch dept. Floyd would look devastatingly heavy handed against chinny Khan.
ROLAND RAT,funniest thing of the year so far..quality
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 12:03
by bigjack
stujones wrote:Maidana has power okay, but he's very limited and lost to Kotelnik. I know what Chambers is saying about Malingnaggi but I would consider that a big step up. It would be a tasty fight, in a very different way - Malignaggi would certainly test Khan's offensive skills.... we are all saying Khan is world class offensively, not really consistently had the chance to prove that. Malignaggi with his chin, hand speed, workrate and stamina would pose plenty of other questions.
Yes, some of us (myself included) thought the same of Kotelnik, but difference between Malignaggi and Kotelnik is Malignaggi handles a wider variety of styles better than Kotelnik - who doesn't like coming forward. Malignaggi doesn't mind playing the role of the counter boxer, and doesn't mind coming forward.
I personally think Khan out boxes Maidana all night long. He's too slow to worry his defense - Victor Ortiz fought like a crab against him. I actually think it will be a dull fight, well we'll be intrigued all throughout it - "will he land" but its not something we would play back. Yes prior to the prescott loss the person who gave him the most trouble was that devastating murderous one punch ko artist WILLIE LIMOND,who later went on to produce a string of ko wins
To be honest, Khan's chin is so questionable I'm watching even if he's against the lightest puncher - e.g. Kotelnik.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 13:50
by dr_devious
Will be funny and nauseating at the same time to see the sky team trying to big Khan up if he does swerve Maidana and vacate. Still on PPV too?
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 13:54
by glahn
Maidana lost to Kotelnik on the scorecards but I had him winning the fight by a couple of rounds at least. Plus it's a completely different styles match-up. Kotelnik was made for Khan style-wise, whereas Maidana doesn't possess the tools or finesse to box circles around an orthodox, defensive, eastern european fighter the way that Khan did. As we saw in the Prescott fight, though, you don't necessarily need finesse to beat Khan. Maidana brings pressure and power, which is always going to trouble Khan a lot more than a decent jab and a high guard....
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 14:10
by steve689
I think they're targetting Bradley to be honest. If he ducks Maidana then it needs to be a HUGE replacement of this will stink. Even Barry McGuigan said as much in the Mirror today.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 14:30
by tonyevs
steve689 wrote:
Even Barry McGuigan said as much in the Mirror today.
Well thats got me convinced
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 10 Jan 2010, 09:24
by Exoddus
Khan pulled out of a purse bid against Thaxton. Not the first time they've ducked a fight. I remember when Khan called out Yuri Romanov. Yuri responded offering him a fight a few months later and Khan and his camp changed their minds!
Can't really say anything about this yet though. If he goes on to fight an undefeated fighter with a 5% KO ratio. It'll just answer all the questions we all ready know. Khan said just before the Salita fight. That this proves hes willing to take the hard fights out there. I was one of the few people who predicted a 1st round KO and won some money too.
What Khan does now, could define his career forever.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 10 Jan 2010, 12:11
by bigjack
steve689 wrote:I think they're targetting Bradley to be honest. If he ducks Maidana then it needs to be a HUGE replacement of this will stink. Even Barry McGuigan said as much in the Mirror today.
McGuigan will still rave on about khan as long as sky are pulling his puppet strings
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 10 Jan 2010, 15:36
by sharpei_louis
I hate the idea of Khan fighting Salita passing it off as a mandatory then considering vacating as soon as a tough-ishg mandatory comes along.
Could see Malignaggi happening - it'd gain Khan at least some acknowledgement in the US and also would be low risk against a feather puncher..........But I reckon Malignaggi beats Khan. Khan may have shown flashy offence against some poor quality opposition, but has still not shown true one shot power. Malignaggi for all his failings has a decent chin - took some great shots off Cotto who is for me a much more daunting prospect that Khan. Malignaggi may even have power to trouble Khan if Willie Limond had him on jelly legs. I see Khan trying to jump all over Malignaggi early, looking a bit amateurish but scraping early rounds, then gassing after finding Malignaggi can take his shots and getting stopped himself late on.
Get this paper champ out of there, always was a media machine. Anyone who stages a 'rematch' of an olympic amateur contest solely for box office and PR in the future is a joke - and his kid-gloves matchmaking is transparent.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 10 Jan 2010, 15:37
by sharpei_louis
And I'll bare my a*se on Stockpor town hall steps if Khan gets Bradley next. No way FW will risk that.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 10 Jan 2010, 16:53
by whicker
Freddie Roach is doing the old "It's a business" line... well, it's also meant to be a competative sport. If the good bouts are not made, for whatever reason, it will fail as a business.
The problem with Khan seems to be that his career is looking great, popularity on the rise, then it all goes in the wrong direction.
Things were looking good when he fought St Claire, instead of building on that they went backward to Krisjansen, then ... Gomez.
Then there was that Precott disaster, PPV disaster ....
Then, they build again, win a title and put on a good show in from of a keen crowd against Salita.
I hope it doesn't all slip back, again.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 10 Jan 2010, 17:23
by sharpei_louis
whicker wrote:Freddie Roach is doing the old "It's a business" line... well, it's also meant to be a competative sport. If the good bouts are not made, for whatever reason, it will fail as a business.
The problem with Khan seems to be that his career is looking great, popularity on the rise, then it all goes in the wrong direction.
Things were looking good when he fought St Claire, instead of building on that they went backward to Krisjansen, then ... Gomez.
Then there was that Precott disaster, PPV disaster ....
Then, they build again, win a title and put on a good show in from of a keen crowd against Salita.
I hope it doesn't all slip back, again.
I appreciate the sentiment, but 'put on a good show in [front] of a keen crowd against Salita.... maybe a good show in terms of an early KO, but in entertainment and value for money, it was an appalling show. Not to mention being PPV for already paying Sky customers. Awful.
Khan's career has never got out of first gear, but it's painted up and politically driven to look like something it's not. Looking good when he fought St Clair? A bum, exposed as such since, a small bum at that. His record is nothing short of crap, I'm not doubting his talent, potential at least, but there must be ex-World Champions turning in their graves at the ease at which Khan has come to be able to bracket himself with them.
Re: Roach and Amir reject Maidana, AK to vacate
Posted: 10 Jan 2010, 17:39
by whicker
sharpei_louis wrote:I appreciate the sentiment, but 'put on a good show in [front] of a keen crowd against Salita.... maybe a good show in terms of an early KO, but in entertainment and value for money, it was an appalling show. Not to mention being PPV for already paying Sky customers. Awful.
I mean, from the point of view of the fighter himself, and his career, a first round knockout- that is a good show, in anyones book.
What more can he do?
It's something that should be build on, rather than stepping backwards.
Also...
sharpei_louis wrote: Looking good when he fought St Clair? A bum, exposed as such since, a small bum at that.
Well, OK, St Claire wasn't a world beating opponent at the time- but again, Khan's performance was all that was required- he won every round!
Again, that should have been built up, but they took the remarkable backward steps of the Dane, Gomez .