Did the lack of warmup fights damage Tyson?

[granberry]

collins clone knucklez got a pm from his master collins and posted what he was instructed to.

He awaits his next direction from his master.

Time to lock another thread by anally-infatuated granberry.

collins, the pestilence of boxrec, drove referee Alan Sugar and boxer Shannon Briggs away from boxrec with his homosexual posts.

[Robinson]

I do not think Collins drove Briggs away, that happened in
the Current Forum with the tards in their. And as for
Alan Sugar, I think that was other people an dnot so much
Collins. Besides the last round with Mr Lipton, that was
his 'supporters' engaging in debate with Collins was it not
mr Gran and not Ron himself.

[granberry]

I do not think Collins drove Briggs away, that happened in
the Current Forum with the tards in their. And as for
Alan Sugar, I think that was other people an dnot so much
Collins. Besides the last round with Mr Lipton, that was
his 'supporters' engaging in debate with Collins was it not
mr Gran and not Ron himself.

Another collins stooge arrives to dance for his master.
collins is the pestilence of boxrec.

[Robinson]

Gran

I have spent just as much time defending you on this
board as I have Collins. I am non-alligned in such matters.

[Robinson]

And on topic.

I think at the time Holyfield was considered shot and a
has been, so Tyson's people and supporters were confident
of his victory. Especially in light of each man's fights leading
up to this.

His decimation of Bruno and Seldon, both still at that time
time capable fighters.

For Holyfield who lost to Moorer, went to war with Mercer,
was stopped by Bowe and looked less than stellar against
Czyz, it is easy to pass judgement in hindsight.

I think the medications and life in general effecred Tyson a
great deal. But part of being a great fighter and champion
is also about how you dedicate yourself to the sport and
sacrifice outside of the ring, and not get caught up with
the 'scene' that surrounds celebrity. Easy for me to say that
having never suffered such seductions.

Tyson was a cash cow for too many people, and the kid from
early on never had HIS best interest taken into consideration
everyone else saw something in him for themselves. Sure he
is a tragic train wreck, and has done some silly things, but he
is a product of how he was raised and developed.

As for Teddy Atlas, how does his opinions on a teenage boy
matter. Tyson was 15 ? when Atlas left the camp after threatening
to kill him. I have said it time and time again. Pulling a revolver on
a 15yo kid is not a sign of masculine morality. Even if the 15yo boy
had grabbed his 13yo nieces ass.

[Collins2000]

Did I tell you to stop dancing, Kym?

Right, so get back to it.

[BoxBuzz]

Where did the Shannon Briggs accusations come in? C20 was nowhere in sight at that time. People were just operating like lemmings, someone accused him falsely of not being who he was, and many idiots piled on. It began with false accusations. You know, those folks who are often wrong, and of course sometimes right, but NEVER in doubt.

[Robinson]

This site is NOTHING on the Underground (mma.tv)
I was a regular poster there since 1998. As MMA got
more and more popular, more and more retarded fan
boys hopped on and just bluntly insulted and criticised
the sports top fighters.

Only two or so years back some retards were disrespecting
Tito Ortiz who was posting on a thread about raising funds
through for sick kids in California. The posters basically said
stuff about his Wife and it went from there. Tito who had
thick skin on such forums, left and never posted again.
The endless line of other top name fighters had gone prior
to him. Like there though, it is safe to say that fighters
lurk and do post, but hidden behind screen names like every
one else.

That way they can be an annonymous boxing fan, and
not face the personal attacks and ridicules of some fan that
lost $10 on one of their fights in 1997 or some crap.

[BO Selecta]

I can't believe some of the excuses being made for Tyson on here.

When Tyson won a fight, he was great/wonderful/Godzilla basher, when he lost, he was on Lithium/washed up (at 24 )/underprepared etc.

Was he not on Lithium when he won then?

Do people not remember what Holyfield went through in the 2 years before the 1st Tyson fight?

Does anyone remember the heart failure episode surrounding the 1st Moorer fight in 1994?

Does anyone remember Riddick Bowe flaking Holyfield about a year before the first Tyson fight?

What about Holyfield's last bout before the first Tyson fight: he looked dreadful against a super middleweight Michelin Man called Bobby Czyz?

Some people actually thought that Holyfield was putting his life on the line by going up against Tyson.

Tyson lost to Holyfield because he never possessed the intestinal fortitude to beat someone like Holyfield.

Holyfield had his faults, but the 3 things he had above all else were a big heart, lack of fear & a great chin.

Those 3 things combined would have been Tyson's worst ring nightmare.

[Syntax Error]

I can't believe some of the excuses being made for Tyson on here.

When Tyson won a fight, he was great/wonderful/Godzilla basher, when he lost, he was on Lithium/washed up (at 24 )/underprepared etc.

Was he not on Lithium when he won then?

Do people not remember what Holyfield went through in the 2 years before the 1st Tyson fight?

Does anyone remember the heart failure episode surrounding the 1st Moorer fight in 1994?

Does anyone remember Riddick Bowe flaking Holyfield about a year before the first Tyson fight?

What about Holyfield's last bout before the first Tyson fight: he looked dreadul against a super middleweight Michelin Man called Bobby Czyz?

Some people actually thought that Holyfield was putting his life on the line by going up against Tyson.

Tyson lost to Holyfield because he never possessed the intestinal fortitude to beat someone like Holyfield.

Holyfield had his faults, but the 3 things he had above all else were a big heart, lack of fear & a great chin.

Those 3 things combined would have been Tyson's worst ring nightmare.

Hear hear Mr Selecta!

Mike Tyson is arguably the most excused fighter of all-time.

Well done for mentioning the fact that Evander Holyfield didn't go into the bout in the best of shape himself & was actually considered to be putting himself at risk.

Some people need to accept that Mike Tyson could be beaten fairly & squarely sometimes.

[Syntax Error]

I am confounded by the psychotropic drug argument. I am trying to distill it as put forth by its devotees.

If you attribute Mike Tyson's losses to Buster Douglas , Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, etcetera to his use of psychotropic drugs what do you attribute his intervening wins against say, Donavan Ruddock, Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno, and Buster Mathis to?

Did the drugs only affect him against certain fighters?

Have you noticed that people who use the psychiatric drug argument to make excuses for Tyson's losses can never answer your question properly?

I've wondered the same thing for years; it's all very bizarre IMHO.

[ThatOne]

And on topic.


As for Teddy Atlas, how does his opinions on a teenage boy
matter. Tyson was 15 ? when Atlas left the camp after threatening
to kill him. I have said it time and time again. Pulling a revolver on
a 15yo kid is not a sign of masculine morality. Even if the 15yo boy
had grabbed his 13yo nieces ass.

Respectfully

1) I don't know what the laws are in Australia but I would be shocked if they are fundamentally different from the rest of the world when it comes to sexual assault. When you touch a woman against her will it's sexual assault. That's what Mike Tyson did to Teddy Atlas' thirteen year old niece.

2) If you see that nasty scar on Teddy Atlas' face he got that in a fight. It took four hundred stitches to close. He's not somebody to be trifled with.

3) When Teddy Atlas learned of Mike Tyson's sexually assualting his niece he had the folowing options:

a) Do nothing and let the predatore sacape the consequences of his actions

b) Notify the authorities. This would have probably resulted in Mike Tyson being put back in juvenile detention. As an aside this behavior was common place with Tyson and other young girls when he was living with Cus D'Amato and Camelia Ewald

c) Confront Mike Tyson, mano a mano and likely get his ass kicked. Mike Tyson was a grown man physically at that age and was already a hell of a fighter. This would have been another likely victory for the predator. Doesn't seem like justice to me.


d) Confront Mike Tyson with a weapon to compensate for the difference in stature.




IMHO, I would have opted for b. Teddy Atlas opted for d.

[John Galt]

That One, you wrote,:"2) If you see that nasty scar on Teddy Atlas' face he got that in a fight. It took four hundred stitches to close. He's not somebody to be trifled with."

The guy you don't want to "trifle with" is the guy who beat his a%$ and made him get 400 stitches.

[MEISINGER]

And on topic.


As for Teddy Atlas, how does his opinions on a teenage boy
matter. Tyson was 15 ? when Atlas left the camp after threatening
to kill him. I have said it time and time again. Pulling a revolver on
a 15yo kid is not a sign of masculine morality. Even if the 15yo boy
had grabbed his 13yo nieces ass.

Respectfully

1) I don't know what the laws are in Australia but I would be shocked if they are fundamentally different from the rest of the world when it comes to sexual assault. When you touch a woman against her will it's sexual assault. That's what Mike Tyson did to Teddy Atlas' thirteen year old niece.

2) If you see that nasty scar on Teddy Atlas' face he got that in a fight. It took four hundred stitches to close. He's not somebody to be trifled with.

3) When Teddy Atlas learned of Mike Tyson's sexually assualting his niece he had the folowing options:

a) Do nothing and let the predatore sacape the consequences of his actions

b) Notify the authorities. This would have probably resulted in Mike Tyson being put back in juvenile detention. As an aside this behavior was common place with Tyson and other young girls when he was living with Cus D'Amato and Camelia Ewald

c) Confront Mike Tyson, mano a mano and likely get his ass kicked. Mike Tyson was a grown man physically at that age and was already a hell of a fighter. This would have been another likely victory for the predator. Doesn't seem like justice to me.


d) Confront Mike Tyson with a weapon to compensate for the difference in stature.




IMHO, I would have opted for b. Teddy Atlas opted for d.

i would of opted for e and used the weapon

[ThatOne]

That One, you wrote,:"2) If you see that nasty scar on Teddy Atlas' face he got that in a fight. It took four hundred stitches to close. He's not somebody to be trifled with."

The guy you don't want to "trifle with" is the guy who beat his a%$ and made him get 400 stitches.

I should have added the cut was from a knife.