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Smigga wrote:

Poncey wrote:

Smigga wrote:
And you'd know this by working with him?

Ask Jamie Moore, Ricky Hatton, Matt Macklin, Matt Hatton, Michael Gomez.... Any fighter that's worked with him if they felt in better condition through using him, 9/10 will strongly agree.

As you say, anyone can lose weight. But.... Being strong at that weight is the key. Kerry masters that.

Mike Bisping, Rampage Jackson, Cheick Kongo....

I'm not clued up on my MMA, didn't want to mention names that could be wrong
David Dunn, Blackburn Rovers FC, Aston Villa FC, and Steven Gerrard who I know uses CNP

David Dunn was at Birmingham

[quote]I'd take it further and say he's the most knowledgeable man in nutrition on the planet. Light years ahead of Schilstone that the yanks rave about.

What impresses me is his adaptability to other sports and disciplines. MMA fighters rate him, Bodybuilders rate him and Wrestlers rate him.

Terry, if you'll be at his event on April 17th down here, let me know./quote]

Do you know Mackie Shilstone or have you ever dealt with him? I'm not qualified to say if Kerry is or is not the most knowledgeable man on the planet in terms of nutrition, diet, etc. However, unless someone knows both Shilstone & Kayes, I can't see how anyone is qualified to say who's the more knowledgeable?

What is in no doubt is that both bring a lot to the table (no pun intended) in terms of diet, nutrition, strength training, etc.

whatashambles wrote:

Smigga wrote:

Poncey wrote: Mike Bisping, Rampage Jackson, Cheick Kongo....

I'm not clued up on my MMA, didn't want to mention names that could be wrong
David Dunn, Blackburn Rovers FC, Aston Villa FC, and Steven Gerrard who I know uses CNP

David Dunn was at Birmingham

I meant Dunn personally uses Kerry's supplements and advice as do Blackburn FC who have Kerry in to talk to the players. Same with Villa if I'm not mistaken and I know he's been in to Liverpool to see Stevie G

the mans light years ahead at what he does, seen with my own eyes that his door is always open to help people and really helped gary make bantam when he fought edmonds for the british title, uneducated people coming out with some of the comments on this thread are really making me laugh, just look at all the pros who have said nothing but good things about kerry and they know a whole lot more than we do, just one trip to his gym and youll understand just what a top fella he is

I first met Kerry when him and Dorian Yates were first launching the Chemical Nutrition range in the late 90's at my mate's body building show in Mansfield. He was one of their very first distributors of the range I we all used to buy it by the ton, as it's impact on your body, as opposed to the other things in the market, were like night & day in comparison.

Saw him and Shawn Ray, Tommi Thorvilsden etc and many a seminar and his knowledge on nutrition is indeed, light years ahead of most. There were body builders flying in from America like Chris Cormier etc just to see him.

When he made the transition into boxing I knew he'd create waves in the field of making weight whilst remaining powerful and he has done.

If people criticising him on forums and so forth is making him reconsider his involvement in boxing in the future then that's very sad.

Like Harrison says, Nunez (who agreed to the swift rematch and brought in another trainer and nutrionist to greet Guzman in Vegas) needs to look at himself if there is anyone to blame.

Joan is a nice man and landed in Vegas at 147 and was mid 150's when KK got over there. Lee Beard was not afforded a full camp either as Joan was training on his own during the beginning as they sought a new trainer. Fair play to Beard, he pulled Joan over here to get working and immediately took him for KK to check him over. It was a tall order agreeing to the rematch when Joan had ballooned so much over xmas - but they had him almost there.

To then land and some other trainer steps in wanting to talk spanish and some other nutritionist steps in criticising KK and his supplements - whilst all the time assuring Guzman to forget about his weight, to think about concentrating on the boxing only, that it will all be ok on the day, is not really helping anyone.

Fact is Guzman was huge stepping into a short camp for a fight with no lead time involved, plus sorting a new trainer and everything with only 7-8 weeks before fight night.

If there is a next time, as Godfather of Dole illustrates - then they should do a full 12 week stint as a team together and they can build a machine. Because Guzman has the ability in him, Beard is a good technician and KK is the best at doing what he does.

Joey Barton also uses Kerry's stuff and swears by it!!

Bomber 1 wrote:Joey Barton also uses Kerry's stuff and swears by it!!

Crikey, with endorsements like that Bomber...

barton probably uses a straw for it D

cnp are a waste of time just have a decent healthy diet & if you want to have somthing over your opponent just take steroids :!:

hurlock wrote:barton probably uses a straw for it D

cnp are a waste of time just have a decent healthy diet & if you want to have somthing over your opponent just take steroids :!:

Complete and utter bollocks

Smigga wrote:

hurlock wrote:barton probably uses a straw for it D

cnp are a waste of time just have a decent healthy diet & if you want to have somthing over your opponent just take steroids :!:

Complete and utter bollocks

look at at all the top yanks :!: they are all cheats :!: fact :!: infact the only fighters of this era who have been true are dlh & trinidad.
even barcelona are guilty of messi being given hgh.

it's rife in sport :!: maybe not british boxing.

look it may work 4 you swallowing tablets & drinking shakes because while your doing this your diet is not poor i.e it's usual self as your body states, as you do look a bit blubbery.


kerry has come to the fore front since hatton,the guy's an expert of cutting weight as all bodybuilders are :!: & he's tried to blend that in with performance as bb's only do it for look etc.
ive read hattons book & he'd train with kerry straight after a billy.g session basically SPENT.
the guy's a gent & knows about the body but aint no miracle worker.

hurlock wrote:infact the only fighters of this era who have been true are dlh .

I really wouldn't be too sure about that. I've heard the opposite from a very good source.

Deserter wrote:

hurlock wrote:infact the only fighters of this era who have been true are dlh .

I really wouldn't be too sure about that. I've heard the opposite from a very good source.

i think you can tell they are old skool, maybe dlh became dissalusioned after finding out mosely visited the balco lab.
& god knows how he got down to welter , roach said he could see blotches on his arms which indicated too him he had blood removed roach worringly seems an expert in such practises.

hurlock wrote:

Smigga wrote:

hurlock wrote:barton probably uses a straw for it D

cnp are a waste of time just have a decent healthy diet & if you want to have somthing over your opponent just take steroids :!:

Complete and utter bollocks

look at at all the top yanks :!: they are all cheats :!: fact :!: infact the only fighters of this era who have been true are dlh & trinidad.
even barcelona are guilty of messi being given hgh.

it's rife in sport :!: maybe not british boxing.

look it may work 4 you swallowing tablets & drinking shakes because while your doing this your diet is not poor i.e it's usual self as your body states, as you do look a bit blubbery.


kerry has come to the fore front since hatton,the guy's an expert of cutting weight as all bodybuilders are :!: & he's tried to blend that in with performance as bb's only do it for look etc.
ive read hattons book & he'd train with kerry straight after a billy.g session basically SPENT.
the guy's a gent & knows about the body but aint no miracle worker.

You are talking out of your arse.

"Swallowing tablets and drinking shakes" - The tablets are vitamins. To get the required amount of vitamins, minerals and nutrients from the tablets I'd have to eat far too much fruit, vegetables and general food that the calorific value would be too much to maintain weight.

The shakes are exactly the same. To get convenient and balanced meals you have a meal replacement drink. To get convenient protein you can have protein drinks. Pure protein minus the fat and other unnecessary calories.

Regarding Hatton's sessions after training with Billy, I did the same sessions. So did Gomez for the Arthur fight, Hatton for Tszyu, Macklin, Matt Hatton.... No one complained and every one of us benefited.

You don't like Kerry's methods because you believe he is only good for bodybuilders, I say you need to get with the times. The world is evolving, methods and training is too.

PS. My "blubbery" body is doing just fine for me....

Deserter wrote:

hurlock wrote:infact the only fighters of this era who have been true are dlh .

I really wouldn't be too sure about that. I've heard the opposite from a very good source.

Thank you!
A handful of fighters aren't clean and the rest get tarred with the same brush.

sorry smigga but a vitamin tablet which is supposed to be the equivilant of 30 chickens i dont buy im sorry. a strawberry yazoo after training with its sugars are as good as any of these quick fix replacement drinks.im a firm believer in mind,body & soul & if this works for your mind its worth it.
id recomend practices you'd laugh at as would many on here & thats why i wont mention DD ,each to there own ay

as for the blubber i wasnt being disrespectfull just think your looking abit soft & aint in the best possible shape YOU could be.

hurlock wrote:sorry smigga but a vitamin tablet which is supposed to be the equivilant of 30 chickens i dont buy im sorry. a strawberry yazoo after training with its sugars are as good as any of these quick fix replacement drinks.im a firm believer in mind,body & soul & if this works for your mind its worth it.
id recomend practices you'd laugh at as would many on here & thats why i wont mention DD ,each to there own ay

as for the blubber i wasnt being disrespectfull just think your looking abit soft & aint in the best possible shape YOU could be.

And you're an expert in conditioning?
Am I supposed to take your last comment as advice after you recommending to drink a yazoo after training?!

No one said a vitamin tablet for 30 chickens. I didn't even use the two words in one sentence. Vitamins and minerals are one thing, nutrients are another.... But you'd know all about that hey Angelo

There's no point in arguing to be honest. Just don't slag someone's reputation off who isn't here to defend themselves, especially when it's completely unfair, untrue and lacks evidence.

slagging off?? ... stated the man's a gent & apologised for not being taken in by this particular science.

& i dont think kk would give a flying fart sat in his mansion in a cnp t shirt with kebab stains & yes a strawberry yazoo in his hand kidda :!:

& whats the odds you've got take away boxes clutterd around you DD

hurlock wrote:slagging off?? ... stated the man's a gent & apologised for not being taken in by this particular science.

& i dont think kk would give a flying fart sat in his mansion in a cnp t shirt with kebab stains & yes a strawberry yazoo in his hand kidda :!:

& whats the odds you've got take away boxes clutterd around you DD

I think Smigga's point is really on the money regarding a wider truth, which Jeff Thomas also touched on recently. Boxing has traditionally always been known for producing some really well conditioned athletes, but in recent years there have been some huge advances in terms of understanding the body from a diet and conditioning perspective that have been embraced by other sports but largely neglected by boxing due to traditionalists not being open-minded enough to embrace new ways of thinking. To give just one example, the traditional slow-paced medium-distance roadwork early in the morning has always been seen as the primary method of making weight, yet any modern day study will categorically prove that interval training is a far more efficient way of burning fat.
To my mind, Kayes is a good example of it all - he clearly has knowledge and expertise that can be leveraged to the benefit of boxers, and some are clearly open-minded enough to embrace that. But inevitably you get the 'old school' who just want to stick to what's always been done, regardless of the facts presented to them.

hurlock wrote:slagging off?? ... stated the man's a gent & apologised for not being taken in by this particular science.

& i dont think kk would give a flying fart sat in his mansion in a cnp t shirt with kebab stains & yes a strawberry yazoo in his hand kidda :!:

& whats the odds you've got take away boxes clutterd around you DD

hahaha

that sounds about right

Some like myself dont like substitutes & replacement products, i prefer good wholesome organic food which has natural enzymes & that's it.

hurlock wrote:sorry smigga but a vitamin tablet which is supposed to be the equivilant of 30 chickens i dont buy im sorry. a strawberry yazoo after training with its sugars are as good as any of these quick fix replacement drinks.im a firm believer in mind,body & soul & if this works for your mind its worth it.
id recomend practices you'd laugh at as would many on here & thats why i wont mention DD ,each to there own ay

as for the blubber i wasnt being disrespectfull just think your looking abit soft & aint in the best possible shape YOU could be.

You know what mate I had your exact attitude on the whole thing!! I was like Mayweather,SRL,Duran,Tyson and so on and so on don't use these things BUT you have to understand that times change and sports science is becoming so much more involved in sport on a whole, Body mechanics and diet is just as important as anything else too, I never used to believe in weights and supplements but believe me I wouldn't have made 175lbs without this kind of stuff, If I told you what I was being told off England camps you'd piss yourself laughing!! Im quite happy to say Im a big 175lbs fighter so the struggle to get down is a hard one.

I'd be in trouble if I never had Kerry helping me and I know Paul and many others are in the exact same boat, Also bodies don't mean a thing, I look like a bag of shite to be quite honest but I like to think this is why people under estimate me so much cos I don't look the part, I've fought against countless guys with picture perfect bodies and they are no stronger,no fitter and no better than me so for me that proves the whole his body is great he's gonna be good is a load of BS.. Just look at Juan Diaz for conclusive evidence of what a poor body can do...

You cant beat a bit of Growth Hormone !

How anyone can slag off or attempt to diminish what impact Kerry Kayes has on boxers is totally and utterly beyond me.

I have seen him at work first hand - his training schedules, the supplements, the diets but perhaps more importantly the man Kerry Kayes and the impact his personality has in everything to do with the big build up to the fight is second to none.

Enough said.

I wouldnt dream of slagging of mr kayes :!: ive just expressed my honest opinion :!:

kayes does a great service to fighters that struggle, normally down to ballooning or being massive at the weight i.e moore,jeffries,bellew, macklin @ l.middle.
the supplements, vitamins, drugs whatever you want to call them are to put in what there diet lacks or what they cant eat in order to stay down, im all for a pro-recovery but all this tablet malarky no.... where do you stop ??...i mean you look at there range & there's tabs for everything, do you buy them all?