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Autobarn wrote:i actually thought he'd face ortiz. it seems ortiz's win over nate campbell would have been enough of an excuse to cram ortiz in the face of american boxing fans.

No chance. Ortiz would make mincemeat of Khan.

i'm not so sure he would. ortiz has talent but he hasn't been impressive. i see khan outboxing him.

Ortiz is fast and powerful. I can't see Khan avoiding every hard shot, and the first that lands will, imo, cause trouble. Ortiz will have no problem following it up.

ortiz seems shaky mentally, though, and couldn't get a former super featherweight, campbell, out of there.

it'd be a good fight. i suppose they have to build ortiz up a bit more because only 2 fights ago he quit, admitting that his opponent (maidana) was hitting him too hard!

Nate Campbell's a tough cookie, though. He's smart and experienced. He knows how to cover up well.

I agree that Ortiz seems shaky. Maybe it was a blip, maybe it is a long term thing, I'm not sure. I am pretty sure Ortiz would KO Khan at this stage, though, (Khan doesn't hit anywhere nearly as hard as Maidana!) and I'll definitely put my money where my mouth is if the fight is made.

Khan would massacre Ortiz. He's already stopped him once as an amateur.

gobbles wrote:

tonyevs wrote:

gobbles wrote:.
I think Casamayor is a great opponent.

A great opponent? WOW!

And its because people like you are happy to accept 90% dead cert in a certain boxers favour that they are able to serve it up so often.

Yes. casamayor stopped Katsidis ... But Katsidis is a lightweight ... Khan is a light-welter.

Khan should be made to fight a top ten lightwelter atleast ... Not a top ten lightweight who is clearly living off past glories.

Khan last boxed at lightweight more recently than Casamayor

.. in that case he is more than qualified to fight for a world light-welter title .... and at the age of 39yrs old and having reigned as a super-feather world champion as long ago as 1999 he will prob just be reaching his peak at 140lbs

Lets be clear here.

If Khan was a world champion at lightweight. Then either Casamayor or Katsidis .. or even John Murray would be perfectably acceptable

But he isn`t .. he is a light-welter world champion

SO FIGHT A LIGHT-WELTER CONTENDER

Well, here's a surprise - Amir Khan calls out dangerous logical rivals & then instead opts to fight a small, old guy from the super-feathers.

This truly is a first.

Casamayor has had 1 fight since getting KO'd by Marquez nearly 2 years ago. Freddie Roach & co all know the deal with Amir.

gobbles wrote:Khan would massacre Ortiz. He's already stopped him once as an amateur.

Duane Bobick KO'd Larry Holmes in the amateurs. Al Evans KO'd Mike Tyson in the amateurs.

Does that mean they could do it years later in the pro ranks?

overhand_right wrote:

gobbles wrote:Khan would massacre Ortiz. He's already stopped him once as an amateur.

Duane Bobick KO'd Larry Holmes in the amateurs. Al Evans KO'd Mike Tyson in the amateurs.

Does that mean they could do it years later in the pro ranks?

And Joe Calzaghe lost to Otkay Urkal.

The same speed that Ortiz couldn't cope with then, he wouldn't be able to cope with now.

gobbles wrote:Khan would massacre Ortiz. He's already stopped him once as an amateur.

Do you know how? On that "outclassing" rule. It wouldn't have been stopped in a professional ring.

Khan's fight in July was always going to be a 'marking-time' fight. Who did people really expect? It was never going to be a top 140lb'er

states wrote:Khan's fight in July was always going to be a 'marking-time' fight. Who did people really expect? It was never going to be a top 140lb'er

Prescott I would have thought fit the bill rather well.

mickey1975 wrote:

bennie wrote:Britain's Amir Khan continues his safety first campaign when he takes on Cuban veteran Joel Casamayor in a 12-rounder on these shores in the summer.
The quick but fragile Khan comes off a one-sided 11-round stoppage of Brooklyn's Paulie Malignaggi in Madison Square Garden last month. He dominated Malignaggi in the way Ricky Hatton had dominated Malignaggi a couple of years earlier, so it was a win which really proved nothing. Frankly, trainer Freddie Roach talks of big fights for his man but then comes an opponent who reeks of caution. The feather-fisted Malignaggi posed no risk to Khan's notorious glass jaw and southpaw Casamayor is so much smaller than Khan – and so much older – that you wonder how Roach keeps a straight face.
The 38-year-old Casamayor, who won Olympic gold at bantamweight in 1992 and peaked at super-featherweight as a pro with a win over Diego Corrales in 2003, has really struggled since moving up to lightweight a year later which culminated in a heavy 11-round stoppage to Mexico's Juan Manuel Marquez two years ago, since when he has boxed just once, beating a nobody last year.
Casamayor was stopped for the first time in his career by Marquez and the question has to be asked: if Casamayor has struggled at lightweight, what chance does he have against Khan at light-welterweight? Khan, 23, defends his WBA light-welterweight title.

No mention of him knocking out Katsidis?He is,after all,the man of the moment ,and i bet the advertising features heavily on it

Katsidis is still just a lightweight. Khan looks down more often than Marvin Hagler.

MecnunK wrote:

states wrote:Khan's fight in July was always going to be a 'marking-time' fight. Who did people really expect? It was never going to be a top 140lb'er

Prescott I would have thought fit the bill rather well.

Prescott, the guy who was beaten by Mitchell, who lost to Katsidis, who lost to Casamayor.

gobbles wrote:

MecnunK wrote:

states wrote:Khan's fight in July was always going to be a 'marking-time' fight. Who did people really expect? It was never going to be a top 140lb'er

Prescott I would have thought fit the bill rather well.

Prescott, the guy who was beaten by Mitchell, who lost to Katsidis, who lost to Casamayor.

Fighter A beating B having lost to C means absolutely nothing at all.

Gobbles - Just as Gomez lost his credibility with his views on Carl Froch. I'm afraid you may have lost yours with your view on Khan...

gobbles wrote:

MecnunK wrote:

states wrote:Khan's fight in July was always going to be a 'marking-time' fight. Who did people really expect? It was never going to be a top 140lb'er

Prescott I would have thought fit the bill rather well.

Prescott, the guy who was beaten by Mitchell, who lost to Katsidis, who lost to Casamayor.

And he's still Amirs Daddy

gobbles wrote:

MecnunK wrote:

states wrote:Khan's fight in July was always going to be a 'marking-time' fight. Who did people really expect? It was never going to be a top 140lb'er

Prescott I would have thought fit the bill rather well.

Prescott, the guy who was beaten by Mitchell, who lost to Katsidis, who lost to Casamayor.

The very same one :p . He's got a dig, has beaten Khan which made big news for us Brits so it would have been a good revenge fight where he could clear his name and would have shown he has a pair. Additionally it is a fight Khan would been expected to win given we now know Prescott is not a world beater(Mitchell) otherwise there would be no chance of Khan fighting him again. Additionally the general public would have lapped up the fight so it made a lot of sense and it think it would be a good dress rehearsal for a fight with Maidana IMO.

If Katsidis was to fight Casa now, who would you back?

Unlike a lot of detractors on here I don't dislike Khan, as a matter of fact I support him but he makes it hard especially with the cynical match making. Having said that I do'nt think Casa fight is bad at all given only 2 months notice.

First, Malignaggi, now Casamayor. God almighty. Even Katsidis was beating him before the Kat walked onto a big one. It's a bit of a joke really. Khan is massive, most probably a welterweight in the making, and he's PICKING on smaller guys. I half expected Morales to be chosen next. Casamayor isn't a much better choice.

When one thinks of Joel Casamayor, one thinks of a dangerous old b astard. The Cuban will be 39 by the time he steps in the ring with Britiain's Amir Khan next month in London – 16 years older than Khan - but the last thing a fighter loses is his punch and Casamayor proved that when he bounced young Aussie mauler Michael Katsidis off the canvas three times in a stirring encounter in the States in March 2008. Casamayor caught Katsidis - a man highly regarded here - napping in the first round and dropped him twice. Katsidis, known as "Rocky", fought back hard and sent Casamayor sprawling through the ropes in the sixth but Casamayor used all his experience to ride out the storm before nailing Katsidis with an inch-perfect left in the 10th. Forget "G'day, mate," it was Goodnight Vienna.
Casamayor has stood a lot of opponents on their head in his time, just as he has stood the test of time. He turned pro back in 1996, already a career amateur, and picked up the WBA super-featherweight title with a win over Mexico's long-forgotten and long-retired Antonio Hernandez in Miami in 1999. Casamayor rattled off six defences before Brazilian golden boy Acelino Freitas outscored him in a unification showdown in Las Vegas in 2002. He later featured in a couple of crackers - real up-and-downers – with the Banzai-like Diego Corrales, losing the second, then moved up to lightweight where Jose Luis Castillo outscored him in WBC title encounter.
Casamayor looked close to the end when Kid Diamond held him to a 12-round draw in Madison Square Garden in 2005 but the hard-headed, stubborn, canny, often spiteful southpaw scored another win over "Chico" Corrales and rode his luck in fights with Jose Armando Santa Cruz and the previously unbeaten Katsidis to secure what seemed like a last payday against gifted Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez in Las Vegas in September 2008. Casamayor, 37 at the time, gave it a good go but the pinpoint counters of Marquez took their toll and Casamayor was dropped twice in the 11th round to be stopped for the first time in his long career. Usually so dangerous with the big left, Casamayor failed to dent Marquez, a long-time featherweight, nor American 'opponent' Jason Davis on the way to an eight-round decision in November, in his only appearance since Marquez. Davis was later stopped in three rounds by Colombian giant Breidis Prescott.
Size is firmly against Casamayor in this one. Khan, the defending WBA light-welterweight champion, looks huge for the weight, big and quick and with energy to burn; Casamayor has boxed only once at light-welter, against the limited Davis. He looks rusty. Nevertherless, Casamayor has a winner's mentality and will look to test the suspect chin of Khan, once blasted in under a minute by the aforementioned Prescott. He stands a puncher's chance but to use another boxing cliche: a good big 'un always beats a good little 'un.
The bigger, quicker, fresher Khan has to be favoured.

tonyevs wrote:Gobbles - Just as Gomez lost his credibility with his views on Carl Froch. I'm afraid you may have lost yours with your view on Khan...

Yeah, I'll stick with your pie in the sky view of life.

If you really think that have a non-title ticking over fight would be better than defending his title against Casamayor. Maybe you'd be happier with Gavin Rees? I'm sure that would sell well on HBO or indeed at the box office.

Khan has been on US TV once. Of course any sane promoter would make matches for him they think he can win. Just at the same time as he is best fighting someone people have heard of. And they are pretty thin on the ground in the division.
Even guys like Alexander, Bradley and Maidana are virtually unknown. In a year's time, they might all build up into stars in the US and set up a string of super-fights.

Leonard and Hearns almost boxed each other after about ten fights each and would have shared about $100,000. They met 3 years later and shared $10million. That's how boxing works.

gobbles wrote:

tonyevs wrote:Gobbles - Just as Gomez lost his credibility with his views on Carl Froch. I'm afraid you may have lost yours with your view on Khan...

Yeah, I'll stick with your pie in the sky view of life.

If you really think that have a non-title ticking over fight would be better than defending his title against Casamayor. Maybe you'd be happier with Gavin Rees? I'm sure that would sell well on HBO or indeed at the box office.

Khan has been on US TV once. Of course any sane promoter would make matches for him they think he can win. Just at the same time as he is best fighting someone people have heard of. And they are pretty thin on the ground in the division.
Even guys like Alexander, Bradley and Maidana are virtually unknown. In a year's time, they might all build up into stars in the US and set up a string of super-fights.

Leonard and Hearns almost boxed each other after about ten fights each and would have shared about $100,000. They met 3 years later and shared $10million. That's how boxing works.

.... and deeper and deeper he digs ...

gobbles wrote:Khan would massacre Ortiz. He's already stopped him once as an amateur.

Absolutely!!!!

As much as I dont like Khan he is world class offensively and I just dont see Ortiz putting Khan on his back foot and for any fighter to put Khan under severe pressure and beat him - they need to keep him off his front foot - its going to happen and f*ck me I will be as happy as a pig in sh*t when it does !!

But lets concede something here - Khan is in the world class bracket by merit - he is one of those fighters though who could make once highly thought of boxers look barely adequate - but one day just one day he will meet someone who can take a punch and come back with his own - I dont think Katsidis is that bloke though and the Ricky Hatton of now definitely isnt - whether I like it or not Khan is not getting beatan for a while yet.