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Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 19 Jul 2010, 17:52
by billy nelson
joe selkirk wrote:BN I don't know if I've sounded like I'm taking anythink away from simpson by saying what I've said about stephen there's no doubt simpsons a good solid featherweight and he has got more experience but u have to understand mate he's a different class to any featherweight in the UK and I'm not the only one who thinks it! I'm not saying its going to be a easy fight but I swer people will get a shock when they see how good fit and strong stephen is, I don't think he's got out of second gear yet but watch when he dose!
Joe your entitled to your opinion mate, john simpson has improved since his last fight and imo is way past domestic level and he plans to prove it against stephen,i've seen swifty box allbeit against journeymen who he should look good against but fighting simpson will be totally diffrent to what he's ever faced before.Swifty is a smashing lad and i wish him all the best in his career except on the 4th sept lol
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 19 Jul 2010, 18:05
by HomeOfBritishBoxing
billy nelson wrote:joe selkirk wrote:BN I don't know if I've sounded like I'm taking anythink away from simpson by saying what I've said about stephen there's no doubt simpsons a good solid featherweight and he has got more experience but u have to understand mate he's a different class to any featherweight in the UK and I'm not the only one who thinks it! I'm not saying its going to be a easy fight but I swer people will get a shock when they see how good fit and strong stephen is, I don't think he's got out of second gear yet but watch when he dose!
Joe your entitled to your opinion mate, john simpson has improved since his last fight and imo is way past domestic level and he plans to prove it against stephen,i've seen swifty box allbeit against journeymen who he should look good against but fighting simpson will be totally diffrent to what he's ever faced before.Swifty is a smashing lad and i wish him all the best in his career except on the 4th sept lol
i wouldn't say john is way past domestic level but i think he is one of the best in europe.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 19 Jul 2010, 18:31
by danfoster
Bomber 1 wrote:billy bessey wrote:Bomber 1 wrote:Stephens time this, It's gonna be his coming out party!!! Simpson is a top fighter BUT Stephen for me is one of about 3 special special fighters in this country...
what is he a closet arse bandit???
whos the other 2 tony?
Frankie Gavin mate and I'll reserve my judgement on the other one till the 18th...
Frankie is frightening he really is..
This country is really booming with boxing at the min and I think this time next year we'll have about Box Office fighters..
Bomber where would you and your NW pals rate Kell Brook when it comes to top UK fighters?
Just interested - all of us in Sheffield think he can go the distance but curious to know what you guys over there think ...
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 19 Jul 2010, 18:34
by jBacca
danfoster wrote:Bomber 1 wrote:billy bessey wrote:
what is he a closet arse bandit???
whos the other 2 tony?
Frankie Gavin mate and I'll reserve my judgement on the other one till the 18th...
Frankie is frightening he really is..
This country is really booming with boxing at the min and I think this time next year we'll have about Box Office fighters..
Bomber where would you and your NW pals rate Kell Brook when it comes to top UK fighters?
Just interested - all of us in Sheffield think he can go the distance but curious to know what you guys over there think ...
Quality little fighter, but haven't seen him properly tested yet. Can't wait to see him against Jennings, will be able to gauge just how far he can go.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 20 Jul 2010, 00:56
by mickey1975
I dont think Brook will go all the way,he just seems to have to many problems out of the ring for a start,and i think Jennings will show hes not quite the wrecking machine some think he is.His British title opponents have been poor to be honest.I think Gavin has a great chance of going very far,but it will be on the back foot boxing,not as we have seen so far.I honestly think Degale is our best hope for World honours,just because people dont like him it doesnt mean he cant box,he can and is a very talented kid.Not seen enough of Swifty but the Simpson fight will tell us a lot,the way he beat up the highly skilled Truscott was very impressive.I know everyone raves about Swifty,but there is a lot of scouse bias on here,we will see.I also think Cleverley gets underated on here,hes very young and done an awful lot so far with no home advantage and studying,seems mentally very strong.Hope Bomber does well,but again,too early to know until he steps up.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 20 Jul 2010, 06:41
by righthook
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 20 Jul 2010, 08:20
by GlobalBox
11/8 with Sportingbet mate.
Tough fight to be confident about but respect your views.
For me have taken the 28/1 the draw, that looks value, can't see how this ain't close personally
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 20 Jul 2010, 09:09
by Chris W 1982
Seen a lot of Swifty to know that the man is the real thing.
I rate Simpson very highly as domestic fighter but Smith has all the necessary tools to go further than the British boundaries.
Smith on points by scores of around 116-112.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 20 Jul 2010, 11:10
by billy nelson
HomeOfBritishBoxing wrote:billy nelson wrote:joe selkirk wrote:BN I don't know if I've sounded like I'm taking anythink away from simpson by saying what I've said about stephen there's no doubt simpsons a good solid featherweight and he has got more experience but u have to understand mate he's a different class to any featherweight in the UK and I'm not the only one who thinks it! I'm not saying its going to be a easy fight but I swer people will get a shock when they see how good fit and strong stephen is, I don't think he's got out of second gear yet but watch when he dose!
Joe your entitled to your opinion mate, john simpson has improved since his last fight and imo is way past domestic level and he plans to prove it against stephen,i've seen swifty box allbeit against journeymen who he should look good against but fighting simpson will be totally diffrent to what he's ever faced before.Swifty is a smashing lad and i wish him all the best in his career except on the 4th sept lol
think what you have said? if john's one of the best in europe he must be there or thereabouts in the worlds top 10-20 which way above domestic level.
i wouldn't say john is way past domestic level but i think he is one of the best in europe.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 20 Jul 2010, 12:58
by joe selkirk
I hope people remember what I said! If Simpson is way ahead of domestic level and one of the best in europe when Stephen beats him after his 10th fight I hope the few who are doubting what I'm saying will get back on here and say he is what I've said and surely must have the ability to be special beating someone as far ahead of domestic level and one of the best featherweights in Europe in his first title fight! And if Simpson shocks me and most of the people on here I'll be the first to give him credit.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 20 Jul 2010, 16:54
by billy nelson
joe selkirk wrote:I hope people remember what I said! If Simpson is way ahead of domestic level and one of the best in europe when Stephen beats him after his 10th fight I hope the few who are doubting what I'm saying will get back on here and say he is what I've said and surely must have the ability to be special beating someone as far ahead of domestic level and one of the best featherweights in Europe in his first title fight! And if Simpson shocks me and most of the people on here I'll be the first to give him credit.
likewise joe if swifty were to win i will be the first to shake the lads hand,because he will need to fight the fight of his life and if he were to win he'll thourghly deserve it.But be prepared to be shocked joe!
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 20 Jul 2010, 19:55
by crusader
HomeOfBritishBoxing wrote:billy nelson wrote:joe selkirk wrote:BN I don't know if I've sounded like I'm taking anythink away from simpson by saying what I've said about stephen there's no doubt simpsons a good solid featherweight and he has got more experience but u have to understand mate he's a different class to any featherweight in the UK and I'm not the only one who thinks it! I'm not saying its going to be a easy fight but I swer people will get a shock when they see how good fit and strong stephen is, I don't think he's got out of second gear yet but watch when he dose!
Joe your entitled to your opinion mate, john simpson has improved since his last fight and imo is way past domestic level and he plans to prove it against stephen,i've seen swifty box allbeit against journeymen who he should look good against but fighting simpson will be totally diffrent to what he's ever faced before.Swifty is a smashing lad and i wish him all the best in his career except on the 4th sept lol
i wouldn't say john is way past domestic level but
i think he is one of the best in europe.
I think some people might consider that way past domestic level.
Anyways, if I didn't make it clear in my first post on this thread, I am leaning towards Simpson to win. The bookies have the odds right, Simpson should be the favourite. He is more experienced, has fought at a higher level, and has been looking as good as ever recently. Simpson has also gone twelve rounds on several occasions and many of his losses were extremely close. Smith has never fought anyone remotely as good as Simpson and will definitely have to venture into uncharted territory (round nine onwards), as Simpson has never been stopped and has always shown a good chin.
With that said, I'm really looking forward to this fight, although I think there is a very good chance many posters will be disappointed with the outcome.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 20 Jul 2010, 20:42
by Coco
I think Simpson is a big step up and a very underated fighter, however I have a lot of faith in FW's matchmaking and he wouldn't chuck Smith in so early at this standard if he wasn't very confident.
Smith obviously has amateur pedigree but has very much fought the usual suspects in the pro game so it is difficult to gauge his quality.
I'm sure he has shown his worth in the gym though which his why they are ready to chuck Smith in at the deep end.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 20 Jul 2010, 20:54
by whicker
I just hope this isn't stopped early, on a cut or premature stoppage. I've just got a bad feeling.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 20 Jul 2010, 21:01
by iamasadlittleboy
Simpson probably by late stoppage or wide points for me. Too wiley and experienced. Smith is taking a huge step up and I can't see him beating one of the most under rated fighters in the country.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 21 Jul 2010, 05:27
by Bomber 1
danfoster wrote:Bomber 1 wrote:billy bessey wrote:
what is he a closet arse bandit???
whos the other 2 tony?
Frankie Gavin mate and I'll reserve my judgement on the other one till the 18th...
Frankie is frightening he really is..
This country is really booming with boxing at the min and I think this time next year we'll have about Box Office fighters..
Bomber where would you and your NW pals rate Kell Brook when it comes to top UK fighters?
Just interested - all of us in Sheffield think he can go the distance but curious to know what you guys over there think ...
Kell Brook is world class I feel, He has to prove that against Jennings but I personally feel he is...
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 21 Jul 2010, 06:12
by black panther
iamasadlittleboy wrote:Simpson probably by late stoppage or wide points for me. Too wiley and experienced. Smith is taking a huge step up and I can't see him beating one of the most under rated fighters in the country.
The quality of opposition they have faced to date is vast. The experience of Simpson could prove telling but Smith's greater natural talent might get him the win. Should be a great fight - Simpson is rarely in a dull fight!
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 21 Jul 2010, 15:24
by $wifty
Wouldn't have asked for this fight if I didn't truly 100% feel I was going to win. I have the upmost respect for Simpson, know what he brings but that will go out the window when we meet in September. I will come back to Liverpool with a Commonwealth title September 5th, no doubts.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 21 Jul 2010, 15:54
by palooka
Smith is obviously the better technical boxer and has a good dig as well. Simpson has come good the last few years, the loss to Appelby was very close and he has been stopping men late. I think it'll be bout of the night coz of styles. Simpson never gives up and keeps his strength; he has stacks of bottle - boxing away in the other mans back yard. Smith is the one on the way up though and I very much doubt John Simpson will just roll over. Smith by wide points.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 21 Jul 2010, 18:56
by Smigga
crusader wrote:HomeOfBritishBoxing wrote:billy nelson wrote:
Joe your entitled to your opinion mate, john simpson has improved since his last fight and imo is way past domestic level and he plans to prove it against stephen,i've seen swifty box allbeit against journeymen who he should look good against but fighting simpson will be totally diffrent to what he's ever faced before.Swifty is a smashing lad and i wish him all the best in his career except on the 4th sept lol
i wouldn't say john is way past domestic level but
i think he is one of the best in europe.
I think some people might consider that way past domestic level.
Anyways, if I didn't make it clear in my first post on this thread, I am leaning towards Simpson to win. The bookies have the odds right, Simpson should be the favourite. He is more experienced, has fought at a higher level, and has been looking as good as ever recently. Simpson has also gone twelve rounds on several occasions and many of his losses were extremely close. Smith has never fought anyone remotely as good as Simpson and will definitely have to venture into uncharted territory (round nine onwards), as Simpson has never been stopped and has always shown a good chin.
With that said, I'm really looking forward to this fight, although I think there is a very good chance many posters will be disappointed with the outcome.
The kids Stephen boxed and beat in the amateurs more than make up the experience defecit. If amateur pedigrees didn't mean anything then Olympic gold medallists wouldn't be so highly sought after....
When you talk of Simpson going the 12 round distance and that being a main factor - Simpson has never won when he has gone 12 rounds. He has lost 5 from 5.
That said, we know what John Simpson is all about, he is respected down here and it has the makings of a really great fight
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 21 Jul 2010, 20:17
by whicker
Another point, also, I think Simpson was losing the first Truscott fight until that nasty cut stopped it. Given the new rules, the fight wouldn't have gone Simpsons way if he was behind on the cards.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 22 Jul 2010, 01:12
by mickey1975
whicker wrote:Another point, also, I think Simpson was losing the first Truscott fight until that nasty cut stopped it. Given the new rules, the fight wouldn't have gone Simpsons way if he was behind on the cards.
He was getting to Truscott,though.Of all Simpsons bouts,its the Tussy ones that impress me most.Paul is a superb boxer and Simpson walked through him.To be fair though,Truscott isnt that physically strong.Really looking forward to this,a brilliant trade fight and completely overshadowing a world title bout on here!
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 22 Jul 2010, 05:40
by jBacca
Happy birthday Swifty..!
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 23 Jul 2010, 04:48
by Counter-puncher
mickey1975 wrote:I also think Cleverley gets underated on here,hes very young and done an awful lot so far with no home advantage and studying,seems mentally very strong.Hope Bomber does well,but again,too early to know until he steps up.
good point on the lack of home advantage. Cleverley for me was one i was much more impressed with when I'd seen him in the flesh.
Re: John Simpson v Stephen Smith Who wins???
Posted: 23 Jul 2010, 04:50
by Counter-puncher
mickey1975 wrote:whicker wrote:Another point, also, I think Simpson was losing the first Truscott fight until that nasty cut stopped it. Given the new rules, the fight wouldn't have gone Simpsons way if he was behind on the cards.
He was getting to Truscott,though.Of all Simpsons bouts,its the Tussy ones that impress me most.Paul is a superb boxer and Simpson walked through him.To be fair though,Truscott isnt that physically strong.Really looking forward to this,a brilliant trade fight and completely overshadowing a world title bout on here!
absolutely mickey, you could say Swifty is Trusscott with a much bigger punch and I thik thats why so many fancy him here.
