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Had Sanders defeated Rahman,then it would have been Sanders who had fought Lennox Lewis in South Africa in 2001.
Probably also Ko'ing Lewis as well.
then im sure Sanders would have fought Vladimir Klitschko to unite most of the titles.

Corrie Sanders physique appears to have changed once he was in his mid-thirties.
I wonder if it was due to him avoiding gyms and training or perhaps a medical condition?
His extra-weight did not appear to be in his stomach,but lower down in his groin area it looked like to me.
He also started to wear huge boxing trunks that went down below his knees.
(although I am not a Doctor of course)
I think Sanders also had fought for some time with some torn cartiliage in one of his legs,
but didnt have anything done to it until he was in his late 30's
I think he just learned to live with it and fight with the injury previously.

Brutu wrote:The punch that Nate Tubbs landed in May 1994 was a freak punch,it would have knocked out anyone.
Sanders also came in out of shape(230 lbs).He looked stale coming into it to me.
IMOP the fight with Rahman was stopped too soon,Im sure Sanders would have knocked out Rahman 3 rounds later.

I think around 1995 Cedric Kushner was petioning to get Lennox Lewis to fight Sanders.
Also another Sanders fight that fell through in 1995,was a fight with the then undefeated Courage Tshabala.

It seems to me that the real problem was that Sanders was deliberatly stood up in his fighting prime,
and only got a shot when he was almost washed up at age 40.

OK bud, just throw out ridiculous excuses. A 'freak punch that would've knocked anyone out' . . yeah, anytime a guy gets upset it's a 'punch that would've knocked anyone out' . . funny how Tubbs wasn't able to even ever drop a close to quality heavyweight in his whole career.

He would've KO'd Rahman 3 rounds later . . Sander's punch output dropped to nothing in the final two rounds, he'd hit the wall, his snap was completly gone, he got nailed by a number of clean power shots from Rahman, without firing back or even having the energy to clinch. But yeah, he would've used that miraculous 2nd wind he had so many times in his career . . .oh wait, he never showed a 2nd wind, that's what I thought. Funny how Sanders didn't protest the stoppage at all . . referee Brutu would've let Corrie receive more power shots to the brain so he could be drooling over himself in retirement instead of playing golf in Pretoria.

dempseyfire wrote:

Brutu wrote:The punch that Nate Tubbs landed in May 1994 was a freak punch,it would have knocked out anyone.
Sanders also came in out of shape(230 lbs).He looked stale coming into it to me.
IMOP the fight with Rahman was stopped too soon,Im sure Sanders would have knocked out Rahman 3 rounds later.

I think around 1995 Cedric Kushner was petioning to get Lennox Lewis to fight Sanders.
Also another Sanders fight that fell through in 1995,was a fight with the then undefeated Courage Tshabala.

It seems to me that the real problem was that Sanders was deliberatly stood up in his fighting prime,
and only got a shot when he was almost washed up at age 40.

OK bud, just throw out ridiculous excuses. A 'freak punch that would've knocked anyone out' . . yeah, anytime a guy gets upset it's a 'punch that would've knocked anyone out' . . funny how Tubbs wasn't able to even ever drop a close to quality heavyweight in his whole career.

He would've KO'd Rahman 3 rounds later . . Sander's punch output dropped to nothing in the final two rounds, he'd hit the wall, his snap was completly gone, he got nailed by a number of clean power shots from Rahman, without firing back or even having the energy to clinch. But yeah, he would've used that miraculous 2nd wind he had so many times in his career . . .oh wait, he never showed a 2nd wind, that's what I thought. Funny how Sanders didn't protest the stoppage at all . . referee Brutu would've let Corrie receive more power shots to the brain so he could be drooling over himself in retirement instead of playing golf in Pretoria.

Well if we go by that then he has a the most clean legit win over the #1 ranked ring Heavyweight champion Wlad which makes him pretty good. By YOUR analogy.

Here is another early Sanders fight from August 1990 .
It not much of a fight,but here the 24 year old Sanders weighs 208 lbs.
That probably would have been his ideal weight to fight at at least until his thirties.

(we now join this fight already in progress.....)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HyORKfJkp4

IKSRTFO wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:

Brutu wrote:The punch that Nate Tubbs landed in May 1994 was a freak punch,it would have knocked out anyone.
Sanders also came in out of shape(230 lbs).He looked stale coming into it to me.
IMOP the fight with Rahman was stopped too soon,Im sure Sanders would have knocked out Rahman 3 rounds later.

I think around 1995 Cedric Kushner was petioning to get Lennox Lewis to fight Sanders.
Also another Sanders fight that fell through in 1995,was a fight with the then undefeated Courage Tshabala.

It seems to me that the real problem was that Sanders was deliberatly stood up in his fighting prime,
and only got a shot when he was almost washed up at age 40.

OK bud, just throw out ridiculous excuses. A 'freak punch that would've knocked anyone out' . . yeah, anytime a guy gets upset it's a 'punch that would've knocked anyone out' . . funny how Tubbs wasn't able to even ever drop a close to quality heavyweight in his whole career.

He would've KO'd Rahman 3 rounds later . . Sander's punch output dropped to nothing in the final two rounds, he'd hit the wall, his snap was completly gone, he got nailed by a number of clean power shots from Rahman, without firing back or even having the energy to clinch. But yeah, he would've used that miraculous 2nd wind he had so many times in his career . . .oh wait, he never showed a 2nd wind, that's what I thought. Funny how Sanders didn't protest the stoppage at all . . referee Brutu would've let Corrie receive more power shots to the brain so he could be drooling over himself in retirement instead of playing golf in Pretoria.

Well if we go by that then he has a the most clean legit win over the #1 ranked ring Heavyweight champion Wlad which makes him pretty good. By YOUR analogy.

It doesn't get more legit than his stoppage of Wlad. That and a quarter will get you a bag of chips.

IKSRTFO wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:

Brutu wrote:The punch that Nate Tubbs landed in May 1994 was a freak punch,it would have knocked out anyone.
Sanders also came in out of shape(230 lbs).He looked stale coming into it to me.
IMOP the fight with Rahman was stopped too soon,Im sure Sanders would have knocked out Rahman 3 rounds later.

I think around 1995 Cedric Kushner was petioning to get Lennox Lewis to fight Sanders.
Also another Sanders fight that fell through in 1995,was a fight with the then undefeated Courage Tshabala.

It seems to me that the real problem was that Sanders was deliberatly stood up in his fighting prime,
and only got a shot when he was almost washed up at age 40.

OK bud, just throw out ridiculous excuses. A 'freak punch that would've knocked anyone out' . . yeah, anytime a guy gets upset it's a 'punch that would've knocked anyone out' . . funny how Tubbs wasn't able to even ever drop a close to quality heavyweight in his whole career.

He would've KO'd Rahman 3 rounds later . . Sander's punch output dropped to nothing in the final two rounds, he'd hit the wall, his snap was completly gone, he got nailed by a number of clean power shots from Rahman, without firing back or even having the energy to clinch. But yeah, he would've used that miraculous 2nd wind he had so many times in his career . . .oh wait, he never showed a 2nd wind, that's what I thought. Funny how Sanders didn't protest the stoppage at all . . referee Brutu would've let Corrie receive more power shots to the brain so he could be drooling over himself in retirement instead of playing golf in Pretoria.

Well if we go by that then he has a the most clean legit win over the #1 ranked ring Heavyweight champion Wlad which makes him pretty good. By YOUR analogy.

Not neccesarily. I don't regard Klitschko that highly. The other two guys he managed to lose to were even worse than Sanders. A strange case of very strong offensive attributes and discipline combined with a super fragile durability. The result in an extremely weak division is dominance over mediorce comp but occasional upsets to mediorce comp as well.(and nom Sanders wasn't a "mediorce" fighter, just relatively speaking . . .)

just thought I would bump this thread up since there has been a lot of discussion about Corrie Sanders here lately.

Thanks for nothing.

Sanders was somethin'

Brutu wrote:Corrie Sanders physique appears to have changed once he was in his mid-thirties.
I wonder if it was due to him avoiding gyms and training or perhaps a medical condition?
His extra-weight did not appear to be in his stomach,but lower down in his groin area it looked like to me.
He also started to wear huge boxing trunks that went down below his knees.
(although I am not a Doctor of course)
I think Sanders also had fought for some time with some torn cartiliage in one of his legs,
but didnt have anything done to it until he was in his late 30's
I think he just learned to live with it and fight with the injury previously.

The answer to this is on the first page, written by you.

You are indeed correct.

Sanders was a very good rugby player, to regional or provincial level in one of the most competitive and best rugby playing environments in the world.

As anybody who has played that contact sport can testify, it is extremely hard on the knees, with Anterior Cruciate Ligament (ACL) tears very common.

He had a bad ACL injury playing rugby, which hindered his roadwork for boxing quite considerably.

Lots on here feel the need to comment about his lack of conditioning later, and make comments parroting his often publically mentioned love and skill in golf, without actually knowing the history of his leg injury.

But then, this is Boxrec forum, so no surprises there.....

If you look at his earlier fights, he came in trim, could maintain a high activity level through to 10 rounds, and showed good footwork and boxing skills.


He was a natural athlete, who apart from excelling at rugby and boxing, was a very good golfer.
He won 196 of his 200 amateur fights, and he met Frans Botha in the amateurs 4 times, and won easily every time, 3 times by KO.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

Brutu wrote:IMOP Sanders was a better fighter then perhaps more well known Gerrie Coetzee in retrospect.
Coetzee was good,but appeared kind of slow (even tho fast for a Hwy)and clunky compared to Corrie Sanders.
Sanders fighting style sort of reminided me of that marvel comics character THE SILVER SURFER.
His punches flowed like some kind of cosmic energy.

...

Huh?

IMOP Corrie Sanders was the human imbodiment of the Silver Surfer.I swear!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnNYXuZli8w

kaiserbill wrote:

Brutu wrote:Corrie Sanders physique appears to have changed once he was in his mid-thirties.
I wonder if it was due to him avoiding gyms and training or perhaps a medical condition?
His extra-weight did not appear to be in his stomach,but lower down in his groin area it looked like to me.
He also started to wear huge boxing trunks that went down below his knees.
(although I am not a Doctor of course)
I think Sanders also had fought for some time with some torn cartiliage in one of his legs,
but didnt have anything done to it until he was in his late 30's
I think he just learned to live with it and fight with the injury previously.

The answer to this is on the first page, written by you.

You are indeed correct.

Sanders was a very good rugby player, to regional or provincial level in one of the most competitive and best rugby playing environments in the world.

As anybody who has played that contact sport can testify, it is extremely hard on the knees, with Anterior Cruciate Ligament (ACL) tears very common.

He had a bad ACL injury playing rugby, which hindered his roadwork for boxing quite considerably.

Lots on here feel the need to comment about his lack of conditioning later, and make comments parroting his often publically mentioned love and skill in golf, without actually knowing the history of his leg injury.

But then, this is Boxrec forum, so no surprises there.....

If you look at his earlier fights, he came in trim, could maintain a high activity level through to 10 rounds, and showed good footwork and boxing skills.


He was a natural athlete, who apart from excelling at rugby and boxing, was a very good golfer.
He won 196 of his 200 amateur fights, and he met Frans Botha in the amateurs 4 times, and won easily every time, 3 times by KO.

You've only got to watch the You Tube video of a young, 25 year old Corrie Sanders blasting out Johnny DuPlooey to see he had some serious firepower. Too much stock put in the Rahman fight, which was when he was 34 years old and had already been a pro something like 14 years.

Sanders was a fighter who was naturally gifted and had a lot of power in his left hand. Trouble is, a good natural fighter is all he ever was. He never put the work in to be better than that. He definitely hit very hard, and was going to be dangerous for virtually anybody for those first 3 rounds, but beyond that...he wasn't much to worry about.

gilgamesh wrote:Sanders was a fighter who was naturally gifted and had a lot of power in his left hand. Trouble is, a good natural fighter is all he ever was. He never put the work in to be better than that. He definitely hit very hard, and was going to be dangerous for virtually anybody for those first 3 rounds, but beyond that...he wasn't much to worry about.

Why do you keep repeating this about him "never putting the work in to be better"?

It's mystifying.

He had a well known leg injury that never came right, and progressively made it harder to train as he got older.
It has been mentioned 2 posts above yours....

He was also trim and showed good foot movement and boxing skills when younger and able to train more freely.
Plenty of taped evidence out there of him maintaining a decent workrate over 10 rounds, again as mentioned above...
Plenty of evidence for this on tape.
Every single one of his 11 fights that he won on points were unanamous decisions for him.
6 of them were 10 rounders, and 1 was a 12 rounder.
It is interesting to note that the overwhelming majority of these points decisions bouts were in the first half of his career, aged 31 and younger.

He fought 200 amateur fights, winning 196 of them.
He fought 46 pro fights and won 42 of them.

But "he was only a natural fighter, gassed after 3 rounds"???

Sadly, it seems it's easier to repeat cliches than it is to actually do research.

Do people bother to read previous posts on boxrec? :??

This video-tape is older then it looks
A 28 year old Corrie Sanders vrs Mike Williams
March.19.1994.
The one thing I noticed that Sanders did a lot more then most
modern heavyweights do not do much anymore is
parry his opponents punches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2rStcgZbeM

During his comeback and even later ,did Mike Tyson (or his camp)ever show any interest in maybe fighting Corrie Sanders?
Here is a 33 year old Corrie Sanders fighting a Mike Tyson-esque fighter.
Corrie Sanders vs Jorge Valdez
July.2.1999.(Bristol England)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HUo3WAUYm4

At 33 Sanders looks less mobile and his leg looks like its stiffining up some,
perhaps due to the British weather.

kaiserbill wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Sanders was a fighter who was naturally gifted and had a lot of power in his left hand. Trouble is, a good natural fighter is all he ever was. He never put the work in to be better than that. He definitely hit very hard, and was going to be dangerous for virtually anybody for those first 3 rounds, but beyond that...he wasn't much to worry about.

Why do you keep repeating this about him "never putting the work in to be better"?

It's mystifying.

He had a well known leg injury that never came right, and progressively made it harder to train as he got older.
It has been mentioned 2 posts above yours....

He was also trim and showed good foot movement and boxing skills when younger and able to train more freely.
Plenty of taped evidence out there of him maintaining a decent workrate over 10 rounds, again as mentioned above...
Plenty of evidence for this on tape.
Every single one of his 11 fights that he won on points were unanamous decisions for him.
6 of them were 10 rounders, and 1 was a 12 rounder.
It is interesting to note that the overwhelming majority of these points decisions bouts were in the first half of his career, aged 31 and younger.

He fought 200 amateur fights, winning 196 of them.
He fought 46 pro fights and won 42 of them.

But "he was only a natural fighter, gassed after 3 rounds"???

Sadly, it seems it's easier to repeat cliches than it is to actually do research.

Do people bother to read previous posts on boxrec? :??

you will realize that here in botp
well lets just say it is a stubborn bunch
sometimes like talking to a wall

to actually convince someone on here to change their mind
is like getting obama to turn in a balanced budget
in other words it aint happening



but i will admit you make a very compelling argument

I will admit that I never saw the younger version of Sanders who went 10 rounds at full stamina. I'll definitely watch some of his earlier fights ASAP and correct myself if I was indeed wrong about my assessment that he was "only a natural fighter who gassed after 3 rounds"

I'm not as stubborn as most on the forum, and admittedly I know little about Sanders outside of his biggest fights.

Here is Corrie Sanders defending the WBU heavyweight title in South Africa
against Al"Ice"Cole
Februry.19.2000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3ZIo3joK_Y

Brutu wrote:A prank phone call to Corrie Sanders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zOByhEi3UI

Haha thats an awesome clip! Sanders seemed like a genuinely nice fella who would stick up for people!

Here is an earlier fight of Corrie Sanders when he seemingly was in his prime.
Mainly interesting because he is fighting another southpaw.
Sanders vrs Matthew Brooks.
April.17.1993.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqYzUVQxWqE

It's hilarious reading people's talk about his 10 round fights. They were shown on Eurosport, I have them on tape, they were not remotely fast-paced or challenging, and naturally against C class American journeymen fighting at altitude.

The Mike Dixon fight in the US was on Sky, another slow potshotting bore. Puritty in SA was tedious.

When Sanders was in a fight, a hard fight, he gassed. He wasn't confident and he wasn't fit. Much fitter men than Sanders also have gassed, seemingly due to issues of self-belief which Sanders was plagued by, belly or not.

He was brilliantly exciting and I would consider myself a fan. But when so many excuses and alibis are necessary to explain his prime, it suggests you are in denial and wasting your time. Perhaps invent a fighter out of thin air with all your favourite attributes (including white skin I suspect) and salivate over him bashing up, cutting up, the 90s A class elite. It will have the exact same bearing on reality as all this Sanders mythologising has.

loaded_gloves wrote:It's hilarious reading people's talk about his 10 round fights. They were shown on Eurosport, I have them on tape, they were not remotely fast-paced or challenging, and naturally against C class American journeymen fighting at altitude.

The Mike Dixon fight in the US was on Sky, another slow potshotting bore. Puritty in SA was tedious.

When Sanders was in a fight, a hard fight, he gassed. He wasn't confident and he wasn't fit. Much fitter men than Sanders also have gassed, seemingly due to issues of self-belief which Sanders was plagued by, belly or not.

He was brilliantly exciting and I would consider myself a fan. But when so many excuses and alibis are necessary to explain his prime, it suggests you are in denial and wasting your time. Perhaps invent a fighter out of thin air with all your favourite attributes (including white skin I suspect) and salivate over him bashing up, cutting up, the 90s A class elite. It will have the exact same bearing on reality as all this Sanders mythologising has.

But, but, he beat Johnny Duplooy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!