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And to think, I even gave Norton a shot at the WBU. KO1

Yet you still ducked me. Shame on you

JDC wrote:Yet you still ducked me. Shame on you

Lies and nonsence... At least Schmeling won't be in the top 6.

And that should be expected from the 19th draft pick?

TMDT finalist and Lonsdale title trumps anything Louis has done.

Whats his record against the candidates btw?

JDC wrote:TMDT finalist and Lonsdale title trumps anything Louis has done.

Well poor old Maxie couldn't even win a World Title.

Joe has five of them.

JDC wrote:Whats his record against the candidates btw?

What is your obessions about this? It only counts as a minor detail in a big picture.
And the big picture is: Who were the most succesful World Champions of this season and Joe Louis was definitely up there.

THE ROCK has knocked out every man on this list he has faced. Save Joe Jeanette where he won a decisive victory.

He has not faced Ali or Holmes, is 1-0-1 over Jack Johnson (1 KO) , 2-1-0 (2 KO's) over Peter Jackson.

None of these nominated fighters has knocked out THE ROCK.

And of course there is the sordid matter of the Payola scam that JDC's fighter (backed by the German Banking industry) is embroiled in whereby THE ROCK has two losses on the record imposed by Max Schmeling. We promise we did not tell THE ROCK to take a dive in the second fight, and we imagine that simply because the judges were seen driving Bentley's shortly after the first fight, this is NOT empirical evidence of an wrongdoing on their part in regards to that very bad decision.

We imagine that JDC is above such corruption, he is to our knowledge a good and honorable man. However we do suspect that Crease is involved, and we surmise that the Scmeling victories in the wake of the Louis KO is more than coincidental in nature.

Scmeling is no match for a prime Marciano any more than Nielson would be to a prime Larry Holmes. Something was very askew.....however this fluke does not elevate Max to the pinnacle position, any more than Greg Page fighting Louis to a draw would increase his stock.

That's the way we see it.

Crease wrote:

JDC wrote:TMDT finalist and Lonsdale title trumps anything Louis has done.

Well poor old Maxie couldn't even win a World Title.

Joe has five of them.

JDC wrote:Whats his record against the candidates btw?

What is your obessions about this? It only counts as a minor detail in a big picture.
And the big picture is: Who were the most succesful World Champions of this season and Joe Louis was definitely up there.

What's my obsession with this?

I'll assume this is a serious question even though the answer is obvious: How you perform against the best is the most important criteria.

Who would you have in a RL super six?

Glen Johnson - crap record, but can mix it with the best
or
Livorno Andrade - better record, loses every big fight

BoxBuzz wrote:THE ROCK has knocked out every man on this list he has faced. Save Joe Jeanette where he won a decisive victory.

He has not faced Ali or Holmes, is 1-0-1 over Jack Johnson (1 KO) , 2-1-0 (2 KO's) over Peter Jackson.

None of these nominated fighters has knocked out THE ROCK.

And of course there is the sordid matter of the Payola scam that JDC's fighter (backed by the German Banking industry) is embroiled in whereby THE ROCK has two losses on the record imposed by Max Schmeling. We promise we did not tell THE ROCK to take a dive in the second fight, and we imagine that simply because the judges were seen driving Bentley's shortly after the first fight, this is NOT empirical evidence of an wrongdoing on their part in regards to that very bad decision.

We imagine that JDC is above such corruption, he is to our knowledge a good and honorable man. However we do suspect that Crease is involved, and we surmise that the Scmeling victories in the wake of the Louis KO is more than coincidental in nature.

Scmeling is no match for a prime Marciano any more than Nielson would be to a prime Larry Holmes. Something was very askew.....however this fluke does not elevate Max to the pinnacle position, any more than Greg Page fighting Louis to a draw would increase his stock.

That's the way we see it.

The ROCKs position in the season is unquestionable, but I'm happy that half his loses have come against the SAS. I think I'm 4(2) - 0 for the season vs GB. Who'd have thought it DD

JDC wrote:How you perform against the best is the most important criteria.

No it is not. Winning World Titles is the objective of every Manager at the beginning of a season.

JDC wrote:Glen Johnson - crap record, but can mix it with the best
or
Livorno Andrade - better record, loses every big fight

Your comparisons are idiotic...
Glen Johnson actually was a World Champion - Max wasn NOT.
And Joe Louis has not lost every fight against top opposition.

Besides if Max is so good, why has he never held a major belt?

Because the likes of you kept ducking him. He's been busy taking on all comers while you were ''defending'' your ''major'' title against David Haye and Ken Norton.

Next you'll tell me Maussa was a better fighter than Herol Graham. Titles don't mean shit. Its who you fight and who you beat. Now be gone with your nonsense

Crease wrote:
Besides if Max is so good, why has he never held a major belt?

I believe he was the holder of the Royal Lineage of undsiputed champions VIA his Lonsdale reign.

You need to brush up on your Sim History.

Primo Carnera > Jerry Quarry

In a world defined by Crease.

JDC wrote:Next you'll tell me Maussa was a better fighter than Herol Graham. Title don't mean shit.

Then what's the point of having World titles? Are you finally gonna give up with your pathetic comparisons?

BoxBuzz wrote:I believe he was the holder of the Royal Lineage of undsiputed champions VIA his Lonsdale reign.

Oh sorry. You mean he won "The BoxBuzz Title" then?

Crease wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:I believe he was the holder of the Royal Lineage of undsiputed champions VIA his Lonsdale reign.

Oh sorry. You mean he won "The BoxBuzz Title" then?

Read the rules of the Lonsdale Lineage. It is impecable and it's defense is impervious. It is also impregnable.

It has a life of it's own. I have never varied from the original rules. And all of my money is in a blind trust so that there is no "conflict of interest". And I can not profit from it.

Now please stop trifling with the reputation of an institution marinated in integrity and honor.

I'll take fights against anyone and you defend a title against crap fighters and try and claim some form of superiority.

Many fighters in the IBHOF never fought for a World Title, but they had great records against top fighters. Are you seriously claiming that a title fight meens more than a good win?

If so, the likes of you are the reason boxing is fucked

JDC wrote:I'll take fights against anyone and you defend a title against crap fighters and try and claim some form of superiority.

Many fighters in the IBHOF never fought for a World Title, but they had great records against top fighters. Are you seriously claiming that a title fight meens more than a good win?

If so, the likes of you are the reason boxing is fucked

May I remind you that we are discussing "SIM" boxing here? A far more reputable sport.

Crease wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:I believe he was the holder of the Royal Lineage of undsiputed champions VIA his Lonsdale reign.

Oh sorry. You mean he won "The BoxBuzz Title" then?

That the same Title you dropped your ''major'' title to fight for the week before?

Needless to say you got brutally embarrassed in the process.

BoxBuzz wrote:

JDC wrote:I'll take fights against anyone and you defend a title against crap fighters and try and claim some form of superiority.

Many fighters in the IBHOF never fought for a World Title, but they had great records against top fighters. Are you seriously claiming that a title fight meens more than a good win?

If so, the likes of you are the reason boxing is fucked

May I remind you that we are discussing "SIM" boxing here? A far more reputable sport.

Right you are Buzz

BoxBuzz wrote:Read the rules of the Lonsdale Lineage. It is impecable and it's defense is impervious. It is also impregnable.

It has a life of it's own. I have never varied from the original rules.

Is that right? Yet you must also concede that it's peculiar that a BoxBuzz fighter is always the first man to fight for it.

Why didn't any of the original World Champions get it?

Rocky Marciano puklled out of a a scheduled fight against Joe Louis way back ina WBC Title eliminator? Then a few weeks later he's fighting for The Ring title/

Absolute balderdash.

Nonsense there have been seasons where we were not holders of this title.

You need to brush up on your Sim History.

JDC wrote:I'll take fights against anyone and you defend a title against crap fighters and try and claim some form of superiority.

How many times are you going to bring this old chestnut up? You are repeating yourself incessantly here.

If you're going to comment on Joe Louiis chosen title defences, then look at ALL OF THEM or don't look at all...

Regarding The Open Weeks... Louis conformed to the rules of the spirit of Open Weeks exactly... To give guys a title shot - guys who had never been given a title shot before... And Joe did that three weeks in a row. It was in the right spirit of things, and now you complain about it?
If you are saying that The Open Weeks are a bad idea in general, I would tend to agree with you, but don't complain about Joe fighting lower ranked fighters in Open Weeks, it's not Joe Louis fault that the Open weeks were there.

Now, alognside the open weeks, Joe defended his titles against tought opposition:
Joe chose to defend his title against Jack Johnson (I assume that you would agree that this is a hard fight?)
Joe chose to defend his title against Peter Jackson (when he could have easily got away with nopt defending it all - like BoxBuzz and Ben K did)
Joe defended his title against Joe Jeanette
Joe chose to defend his title against Gene Tunney (another good fighter)

3 out of 4 of those challengers made it to the super six shortlist, now can you see that Joe was fighting a good calibre of opponent without the open weeks...

JDC wrote:Many fighters in the IBHOF never fought for a World Titl

But they can't claim to have reached the top of their profession can they? When most young boxers start out, their aim is to become a World Champion...
Max Schmeling never did this and yet you claim his credentials for a top 6 place?

BoxBuzz wrote:Nonsense there have been seasons where we were not holders of this title.

Last season Buzz, another one of your fighters fought the first fight for The BoxBuzz Title... I can remember it, Buzz.

The one question i asked you, you ignored

Why do you always quote parts of peoples posts?

Post are made as a whole, treat them as such. I haven't made individual specific points, so my post doesn't need to be broken down.

Anyone can ignore half of what someone says

JDC wrote:That the same Title you dropped your ''major'' title to fight for the week before?

Firstly - are you doubting the credibility of the WBO Title? Are you saying that it's not one of the four major titles?

secondly - Joe Louis had no interest in the Lonsdale belt, I just wanted Louis to fight Marciano... I had been trying to arrange the fight with Buzz for 4 weeks before he agreed to fight Louis.

It is as I once said to BoxBuzz via private mail: (when engotiating the Louis/Marciano fight)

Crease wrote:I just think sir, that since we have the opportunity of reading these great fights, we owe it to the BoxRecSim publixc to organise the great fights.

If Managers don't take the hard fights and match the great fighters agaibst each other, then really there's no point playing in the sim.

JDC wrote:Needless to say you got brutally embarrassed in the process.

But there's no disrespect there. I suspected that Rocky would probably beat Joe. But Louis should be commended for taking the fight (and going through a lot of trouble to make it)
rather than condemned for losing it.

JDC wrote:The one question i asked you, you ignored

And what question would that be, this perhaps:

JDC wrote:That the same Title you dropped your ''major'' title to fight for the week before?

Because I think you will find that I have already answered, to put it briefly:
Louis wa snot interested in The BoxBuzz Title, only in matching himself against Marciano.

JDC wrote:Why do you always quote parts of peoples posts?

Because you make a few different points in your posts. I tend to cut it down to the relevant points which I intend to reply to. It saves space amnd it a lot tidier.