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danamba7 wrote:

youngrell wrote:

danamba7 wrote:Some so called boxing fans really do wind me up! Froch has earned the right to fight who he wants. "Ducking" Groves (who he just beat) to fight a tougher opponent in Ward isn't cowardly. And it's just embarrassing how quickly people forget what's gone before. It's like the Beatles releasing an awful single and everyone saying they're terrible, awful, never liked em, forgetting all the classics that they previously produced. The only thing Froch should take a little stick for is saying some stupid things at times. Apart from that, let's count ourselves lucky that we've had such a tough, homegrown fighter to watch in our lifetime.

Is Ward a tougher fight?

I know Ward is better than Groves and is without doubt the number 1 in the division, but I'm sure Groves was a much 'tougher' fight for Froch than Ward ever will be. Styles and all that.

Fact is, losing again to Ward won't harm Froch much at all, whereas taking more of those right hands off Groves in another fight will, win or lose.

Ward should fight Groves and show Froch up.

Tougher was probably the wrong word to use, I did mean more that Ward is the better opponent. But yes Groves gave him a terrible time early on. My main gripe is how fickle a lot of "fans" are being regarding Froch. I would love him to give Groves the Rematch, i was there and it was a thrilling fight. However, at 36 and after all the wars he's been through and the great nights he's given, I think he has the right to take the fight he wants. Just my opinion.

danamba7 wrote:Some so called boxing fans really do wind me up! Froch has earned the right to fight who he wants. "Ducking" Groves (who he just beat) to fight a tougher opponent in Ward isn't cowardly. And it's just embarrassing how quickly people forget what's gone before. It's like the Beatles releasing an awful single and everyone saying they're terrible, awful, never liked em, forgetting all the classics that they previously produced. The only thing Froch should take a little stick for is saying some stupid things at times. Apart from that, let's count ourselves lucky that we've had such a tough, homegrown fighter to watch in our lifetime.

Bennyblanco wrote:Froch is in a loose loose position really from the fans point of view, if he rematches groves and wins then people wil say 'well the first fight shouldnt of been stopped anyway' then if he fights someone else he's bottled it.

I want to see the rematch but i see him fighting chavez jr in vegas next.

Its a shame if that happens after the reputation he's built up in terms of fighting anyone

freddydoesdallas wrote:

Bennyblanco wrote:Froch is in a loose loose position really from the fans point of view, if he rematches groves and wins then people wil say 'well the first fight shouldnt of been stopped anyway' then if he fights someone else he's bottled it.

I want to see the rematch but i see him fighting chavez jr in vegas next.

Its a shame if that happens after the reputation he's built up in terms of fighting anyone

He needs to tighten that up quick time

freddydoesdallas wrote:

Bennyblanco wrote:Froch is in a loose loose position really from the fans point of view, if he rematches groves and wins then people wil say 'well the first fight shouldnt of been stopped anyway' then if he fights someone else he's bottled it.

I want to see the rematch but i see him fighting chavez jr in vegas next.

Its a shame if that happens after the reputation he's built up in terms of fighting anyone

He needs to tighten that up quick time

mickey1975 wrote:I think Kessler is a great fight for Groves if Froch ducks him.

TheCobra wrote:I guess Groves is only doing what most people would do in his position. It's good for him to maintain the aura that he was going to win that fight, therefore in his own mind he is still unbeaten. For me, he got tired, he stood and traded and came off worse, he was in bad shape, he lost all his form and was all over the place. Carl was never like that in any point of the fight.

But still there's always gona be the noise with a premature stoppage, I'm sure Carl would rather have been allowed to lay him out cold and have him shut the eff up than what has happened.

I'd love to see the rematch though, it's the fight that makes sense, interest-wise, money-wise etc. There aren't many fights for Carl where you think he's gona make £5m+ and the Groves rematch would surely be in that bracket with the interest there is now. The fickle British public demand it.

youngrell wrote:

danamba7 wrote:Some so called boxing fans really do wind me up! Froch has earned the right to fight who he wants. "Ducking" Groves (who he just beat) to fight a tougher opponent in Ward isn't cowardly. And it's just embarrassing how quickly people forget what's gone before. It's like the Beatles releasing an awful single and everyone saying they're terrible, awful, never liked em, forgetting all the classics that they previously produced. The only thing Froch should take a little stick for is saying some stupid things at times. Apart from that, let's count ourselves lucky that we've had such a tough, homegrown fighter to watch in our lifetime.

Is Ward a tougher fight?

I know Ward is better than Groves and is without doubt the number 1 in the division, but I'm sure Groves was a much 'tougher' fight for Froch than Ward ever will be. Styles and all that.

Fact is, losing again to Ward won't harm Froch much at all, whereas taking more of those right hands off Groves in another fight will, win or lose.

Ward should fight Groves and show Froch up.

SNG wrote:The rounds Ward took off?

He beat Carl easily with a dodgy arm. I've seen that fight three times, the scoring was atrocious, that fight wasn't even remotely close.

Horse wrote: Groves: WBA - No. 2, IBF - No. 4, WBO - No. 2.

youngrell wrote:

danamba7 wrote:Some so called boxing fans really do wind me up! Froch has earned the right to fight who he wants. "Ducking" Groves (who he just beat) to fight a tougher opponent in Ward isn't cowardly. And it's just embarrassing how quickly people forget what's gone before. It's like the Beatles releasing an awful single and everyone saying they're terrible, awful, never liked em, forgetting all the classics that they previously produced. The only thing Froch should take a little stick for is saying some stupid things at times. Apart from that, let's count ourselves lucky that we've had such a tough, homegrown fighter to watch in our lifetime.

Is Ward a tougher fight?

I know Ward is better than Groves and is without doubt the number 1 in the division, but I'm sure Groves was a much 'tougher' fight for Froch than Ward ever will be. Styles and all that.

Fact is, losing again to Ward won't harm Froch much at all, whereas taking more of those right hands off Groves in another fight will, win or lose.

Ward should fight Groves and show Froch up.

davie wrote: it depends, do you mean tougher in terms of his chance of winning (0% vs ward or 50% vs groves)
or do you mean tougher in terms of being a more punishing and brutal battle?
in that fight there, froch took a bit of a pasting early, soaked up some big shots and looked pretty beat up after the fight and thats one he won.
if he were to lose a rematch to groves, i'd imaging said loss would involve sustaining a bit of a sore face.
losing to ward probably wouldn't be too bruising an affair, it would likely be more painful to his ego as he was on the end of another 12 round boxing lesson

SNG wrote:Who called it a shut out? Froch won two rounds at best, and they were still arguable at that, you say he comes on in round 7, where was he against Ward in 7,8,9 and 10? Point is, why rematch a fighter who he has no chance against, give us the fight we actually want to see.

IRLangmaid25 wrote:Right let's get a few things cleared up here. So George Groves is accusing Carl Froch of ducking Adonis Stevenson was his IBF mandatory defence after Stevenson defeated Don George? Maybe, maybe not because there is a provision in the IBF rulebook that allows a unifaction match up to take precedence over a mandatory defence of the title, which is what Froch did in having his rematch with Mikkel Kessler to avenge the first loss of his professional career that saw him lose his hard fought WBC title that he won against Jean Pascal back in 2008 because Froch and his promoter Handsome Eddie Hearn knew that would be a big ticket seller at a major arena here in the UK in this case the O2 Arena and generate a considerable amount of buys on Sky Box Office.

stujones wrote:Whilst I am adamant that Groves and Froch have unfinished business.... Andre Dirrell has greater unfinished business there.... there was no "dodgy" stoppage there, just dodgy scoring.

Horse wrote:

stujones wrote:Whilst I am adamant that Groves and Froch have unfinished business.... Andre Dirrell has greater unfinished business there.... there was no "dodgy" stoppage there, just dodgy scoring.

Froch deserved the decision against Dirrell.

Dirrell is no longer a worthy world title challenger.

lillywhite14 wrote:How about Dirrell v Groves for the right to rematch?

Easy this promotion lark...

stujones wrote: Sadly it is not cleared up.... George is accusing Carl of ducking Stevenson cause Carl said last week he doesn't wish to fight him. Not because of his mandatory situation ahead of the Kessler match.

CheckHook wrote:

stujones wrote: Sadly it is not cleared up.... George is accusing Carl of ducking Stevenson cause Carl said last week he doesn't wish to fight him. Not because of his mandatory situation ahead of the Kessler match.

You can't duck someone who competes at a weight class that you don't compete at, can you?

Power777 wrote:

CheckHook wrote:

stujones wrote: Sadly it is not cleared up.... George is accusing Carl of ducking Stevenson cause Carl said last week he doesn't wish to fight him. Not because of his mandatory situation ahead of the Kessler match.

You can't duck someone who competes at a weight class that you don't compete at, can you?

Groves is referring to the time Stevenson was Froch mandatory.

stujones wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:How about Dirrell v Groves for the right to rematch?

Easy this promotion lark...

Given the sparring the they had in the build up to Groves vs Degale and the obvious physical distress Dirrel was causing..... got to favour Dirrel (if he is still the same fighter he was).

Would be a good one though.