caldo2025 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 18:57
Who are the 7 idiots that have not only never seen a boxing match but a fight?
If I ran this site, I’d find those 7 dipshiit and bar their IP Adress from ever connecting g to this site. In fact, then I’d go and call some family members, organize an intervention and make sure he’s smart enough to conduct himself in a society. Idiots
In the 1600s, people were talking in that fashion about lads guilty of stating that the Sun is technically a star.
No doubt you’re an intellectual or one trying to be. I read a book once so whatever.
Yeah I wasn't even pointing out, just poking a little bit: now if that was enough to be an intellectual, or even look like one, I'd be filthy-rich by now...
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 19:35
by Jacopodb
Pick-a-boo, look what I've found (now don't tell me you watched it already... If you did, just don't tell me, ok?). Here:
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 19:48
by caldo2025
I’ve always loved that kid. It’s good to see Kelly talking like that. By “that”, I’m not just referring to intelligable speech but happy with a family that obviously means so much to him. Stay retired Cus because you had a fantastic career and gave us a bunch of reasons to jump up off our couches.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 05:14
by DrDuke
How the hell it is 88% vs 12% in GGG's favor? I'd pick Pavlik. Tall and rangy guys with good jab are trouble for Golovkin. Jacobs was so close to outboxing GGG. Pavlik could use his anthropometric advantages for sure. And he was tougher, than Jacobs. Kelly would have used his jab to frustrate Golovkin, what would have settled power punches. GGG's chin is incredibly hard, but Pavlik would have at least been able to daze Golovkin from time to time.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 16:29
by jamamb
pavliks totally different from jacobs , jacobs is much faster and was on the move constantly , pavlik was a slowish but hard hitting come forward agressor, not to say he wouldnt have beaten ggg but i dont really see him and jacobs as similar at all
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 16:51
by boxing_rocks
DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Dec 2018, 05:14
How the hell it is 88% vs 12% in GGG's favor? I'd pick Pavlik. Tall and rangy guys with good jab are trouble for Golovkin. Jacobs was so close to outboxing GGG. Pavlik could use his anthropometric advantages for sure. And he was tougher, than Jacobs. Kelly would have used his jab to frustrate Golovkin, what would have settled power punches. GGG's chin is incredibly hard, but Pavlik would have at least been able to daze Golovkin from time to time.
Golovkin has outjabbed guys with longer reach, and he would do the same with Pavlik. He is on a different level skill wise.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 19:14
by IKSRTFO
DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Dec 2018, 05:14
How the hell it is 88% vs 12% in GGG's favor? I'd pick Pavlik. Tall and rangy guys with good jab are trouble for Golovkin. Jacobs was so close to outboxing GGG. Pavlik could use his anthropometric advantages for sure. And he was tougher, than Jacobs. Kelly would have used his jab to frustrate Golovkin, what would have settled power punches. GGG's chin is incredibly hard, but Pavlik would have at least been able to daze Golovkin from time to time.
Pavlik doesn't move like Jacobs does though. Pavlik would be right in front of GGG which is murder 85% of the time.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 19:22
by oogiebe
Love Golovkin, and with Pavlik bigger and arguably stronger, I'd have a tough time picking. I would have loved to have seen them go at it.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 21:12
by Boxerbeetle
Man, some of you guys really see a lot in Pavlik that I just don’t see. Golovkin would have absolutely dismantled him imo.
DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Dec 2018, 05:14
How the hell it is 88% vs 12% in GGG's favor? I'd pick Pavlik. Tall and rangy guys with good jab are trouble for Golovkin. Jacobs was so close to outboxing GGG. Pavlik could use his anthropometric advantages for sure. And he was tougher, than Jacobs. Kelly would have used his jab to frustrate Golovkin, what would have settled power punches. GGG's chin is incredibly hard, but Pavlik would have at least been able to daze Golovkin from time to time.
Golovkin has outjabbed guys with longer reach, and he would do the same with Pavlik. He is on a different level skill wise.
And Pavlik himself was on the different level, than the vast majority of Golovkin's opposition.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 31 Dec 2018, 06:55
by Autobarn
Blodhemn wrote: ↑25 Feb 2015, 05:41
Yeah, it's not like Martinez' promoter didn't openly keep Sergio away from GGG or anything, or that Pavlik didn't taste the canvas against the B listers he fought.
yes Martinez was old, fading and on bad legs. There was nothing special left about him and he was on borrowed time. So fighting Golovkin would've been very bad news.
just as, down at 154, Martinez couldn't get the fight he wanted, Vernon Forrest.
DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Dec 2018, 05:14
How the hell it is 88% vs 12% in GGG's favor? I'd pick Pavlik. Tall and rangy guys with good jab are trouble for Golovkin. Jacobs was so close to outboxing GGG. Pavlik could use his anthropometric advantages for sure. And he was tougher, than Jacobs. Kelly would have used his jab to frustrate Golovkin, what would have settled power punches. GGG's chin is incredibly hard, but Pavlik would have at least been able to daze Golovkin from time to time.
Golovkin has outjabbed guys with longer reach, and he would do the same with Pavlik. He is on a different level skill wise.
And Pavlik himself was on the different level, than the vast majority of Golovkin's opposition.
Not really. Just tough and strong one-dimensional guy.
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑30 Dec 2018, 16:51
Golovkin has outjabbed guys with longer reach, and he would do the same with Pavlik. He is on a different level skill wise.
And Pavlik himself was on the different level, than the vast majority of Golovkin's opposition.
Not really. Just tough and strong one-dimensional guy.
I might write "a little bit" about this.
Pavlik's real issues were mental: he was never the same after the Hopkins fight... he must have thought he was schooled, or that he had disappointed the fans... I don't know what ran through his mind, fact is he gave away the Martinez fight, without resisting, or even "putting up a fight".
Golovkin, on the other hand, has excellent mental assets.
The post-Hopkins-fight was an empty-glass of the former Pavlik: If you want to pick this option, I might hear you, but there's no way GGG could handle the better-shaped Pavlik, IMHO.
Both of them are dangerous punchers, but GGG has never faced a fighter as big and powerful as The Ghost : if Golovkin had gotten rid of Canelo in an unquestionable way, I might have picked the other option, but after the courageous GGG has struggled so much against the lighter Mexican, ending up with an evidently bruised face, he leaves me no choice: Golovkin was too unexpert in his prime, and too slow past his prime... the far-from-all-timer Gatti was a world champion at 23, while Golovkin made his pro debut at 24. No shame for GGG, who had a brilliant amateur/pro career, but I cannot see what version of Golovkin might defeat Pavlik...
Mayweather Jr. (a true all-timer hands-down) was 36 when he controlled without problems the fast-and-furious, bigger, prime Canelo, while GGG couldn't even take advantage of his stronger complexion, against the above-named Mexican... Mayweather Jr., at 37 years old, was still the strongest at welterweight, the most dangerous at superwelterweight, and the p4p greatest in the world: this clashes dramatically with the good GGG's status: how could his own makings allow him to beat Pavlik?
And Pavlik himself was on the different level, than the vast majority of Golovkin's opposition.
Not really. Just tough and strong one-dimensional guy.
I might write "a little bit" about this.
Pavlik's real issues were mental: he was never the same after the Hopkins fight... he must have thought he was schooled, or that he had disappointed the fans... I don't know what ran through his mind, fact is he gave away the Martinez fight, without resisting, or even "putting up a fight".
Golovkin, on the other hand, has excellent mental assets.
The post-Hopkins-fight was an empty-glass of the former Pavlik: If you want to pick this option, I might hear you, but there's no way GGG could handle the better-shaped Pavlik, IMHO.
Both of them are dangerous punchers, but GGG has never faced a fighter as big and powerful as The Ghost : if Golovkin had gotten rid of Canelo in an unquestionable way, I might have picked the other option, but after the courageous GGG has struggled so much against the lighter Mexican, ending up with an evidently bruised face, he leaves me no choice: Golovkin was too unexpert in his prime, and too slow past his prime... the far-from-all-timer Gatti was a world champion at 23, while Golovkin made his pro debut at 24. No shame for GGG, who had a brilliant amateur/pro career, but I cannot see what version of Golovkin might defeat Pavlik...
Mayweather Jr. (a true all-timer hands-down) was 36 when he controlled without problems the fast-and-furious, bigger, prime Canelo, while GGG couldn't even take advantage of his stronger complexion, against the above-named Mexican... Mayweather Jr., at 37 years old, was still the strongest at welterweight, the most dangerous at superwelterweight, and the p4p greatest in the world: this clashes dramatically with the good GGG's status: how could his own makings allow him to beat Pavlik?
Interesting logic: you are comparing prime Pavlik with 35-36 y.o. Golovkin who fought Canelo.
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 12:30
Not really. Just tough and strong one-dimensional guy.
I might write "a little bit" about this.
Pavlik's real issues were mental: he was never the same after the Hopkins fight... he must have thought he was schooled, or that he had disappointed the fans... I don't know what ran through his mind, fact is he gave away the Martinez fight, without resisting, or even "putting up a fight".
Golovkin, on the other hand, has excellent mental assets.
The post-Hopkins-fight was an empty-glass of the former Pavlik: If you want to pick this option, I might hear you, but there's no way GGG could handle the better-shaped Pavlik, IMHO.
Both of them are dangerous punchers, but GGG has never faced a fighter as big and powerful as The Ghost : if Golovkin had gotten rid of Canelo in an unquestionable way, I might have picked the other option, but after the courageous GGG has struggled so much against the lighter Mexican, ending up with an evidently bruised face, he leaves me no choice: Golovkin was too unexpert in his prime, and too slow past his prime... the far-from-all-timer Gatti was a world champion at 23, while Golovkin made his pro debut at 24. No shame for GGG, who had a brilliant amateur/pro career, but I cannot see what version of Golovkin might defeat Pavlik...
Mayweather Jr. (a true all-timer hands-down) was 36 when he controlled without problems the fast-and-furious, bigger, prime Canelo, while GGG couldn't even take advantage of his stronger complexion, against the above-named Mexican... Mayweather Jr., at 37 years old, was still the strongest at welterweight, the most dangerous at superwelterweight, and the p4p greatest in the world: this clashes dramatically with the good GGG's status: how could his own makings allow him to beat Pavlik?
Interesting logic: you are comparing prime Pavlik with 35-36 y.o. Golovkin who fought Canelo.
Mayweather Jr. was 36 when he defeated Canelo (prime Canelo was less-tough than the Canelo that fought Golovkin, but bigger than Floyd Jr. nevertheless), so what?
Golovkin, at 25 years old, was still fighting bums... Pavlik, at 25 years old, became a unified world champion: how can you compare prime Pavlik to prime Golovkin..?
Either you have no idea of what Pavlik has been, or you're overestimating GGG.
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 13:33
nteresting logic: you are comparing prime Pavlik with 35-36 y.o. Golovkin who fought Canelo.
Mayweather Jr. was 36 when he defeated Canelo (prime Canelo was less-tough than the Canelo that fought Golovkin, but bigger than Floyd Jr. nevertheless), so what?
Golovkin, at 25 years old, was still fighting bums... Pavlik, at 25 years old, became a unified world champion: how can you compare prime Pavlik to prime Golovkin..?
Either you have no idea of who Pavlik has been, or you're overestimating GGG.
And Pavlik was done at 30, and Golovkin was still getting better. We can go on and on and on and on...
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 13:33
nteresting logic: you are comparing prime Pavlik with 35-36 y.o. Golovkin who fought Canelo.
Mayweather Jr. was 36 when he defeated Canelo (prime Canelo was less-tough than the Canelo that fought Golovkin, but bigger than Floyd Jr. nevertheless), so what?
Golovkin, at 25 years old, was still fighting bums... Pavlik, at 25 years old, became a unified world champion: how can you compare prime Pavlik to prime Golovkin..?
Either you have no idea of who Pavlik has been, or you're overestimating GGG.
And Pavlik was done at 30, and Golovkin was still getting better. We can go on and on and on and on...
I reckon it would be a close fight. By the way, Golovkin didn't get better enough to scale down Canelo.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 31 Dec 2018, 14:08
by jamamb
floyd is a totally different fighter in size , class, and style to these two, not sure why hes become so prominent in this thread
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 31 Dec 2018, 14:19
by Jacopodb
jamamb wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 14:08
floyd is a totally different fighter in size , class, and style to these two, not sure why hes become so prominent in this thread
Probably because he has also, like GGG, fought Canelo, which is a similar powerpuncher to Pavlik, so Canelo, and Floyd Jr., who has beaten him, became natural terms for comparison. Just my 2 cents.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 31 Dec 2018, 14:21
by jamamb
and that has what baring on how kelly pavlik and ggg compare?
lol canelo and pavlik are very very different anyway
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 31 Dec 2018, 14:22
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 14:21
and that has what baring on how kelly pavlik and ggg compare?
None!
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 31 Dec 2018, 14:27
by Jacopodb
jamamb wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 14:21
and that has what baring on how kelly pavlik and ggg compare?
I edited my previous post to be more clear: Canelo is the closest thing to Pavlik GGG has ever fought, and lighter Floyd Jr. beat him: if Floyd handled one like Canelo (heavier than Floyd), and GGG couldn't, despite Canelo being skinnier and naturally lighter than him, how could GGG handle a big powerpuncher like Pavlik? This doesn't mean anything, but because we are talking basically a fantasy fight between GGG and Pavlik, we might just figure out what happened in these boxer's careers.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 31 Dec 2018, 14:35
by Jacopodb
Canelo is not a fighter who is eager to hit and run, but more likely to keep coming at you and trade shots: that's what Canelo and Pavlik have in common.
Floyd has nothing to share with them, but is one fighter, naturally lighter than Golovkin, Canelo and Pavlik, that has nonetheless beaten Canelo...
...so, I reckon that all this might sound like some low-profile Portuguese soap-opera, but the above-named 4 fighters are related to each other, somehow... in the Great Circle Of Life, or something...
jamamb wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 14:21
and that has what baring on how kelly pavlik and ggg compare?
I edited my previous post to be more clear: Canelo is the closest thing to Pavlik GGG has ever fought, and lighter Floyd Jr. beat him: if Floyd handled one like Canelo (heavier than Floyd), and GGG couldn't, despite Canelo being skinnier and naturally lighter than him, how could GGG handle a big powerpuncher like Pavlik? This doesn't mean anything, but because we are talking basically a fantasy fight between GGG and Pavlik, we might just figure out what happened in these boxer's careers.
So we're (you are) comparing GGG v. Canelo at 160 to GGG fighting Pavlik at 168? or 160? At 168 I'd have a tough time choosing. At 160 I think GGG wins as it takes some of the size advantage away. Pavlik was a filled out SMW (age 26) and although he fought mostly at 160 he seemed more comfortable at 168 to me even though he got schooled by Hopkins at that weight..
