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Controversial wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:
Who says Briggs is that bad? Haye simply hasn't proven himself to be that good.
On paper Haye is an absolute nobody at this moment, yes partly because he hasn't been active for 3,5 years, but really, what has Haye proved more as Briggs has at this point?
Why would any top contender fight Haye and not Briggs?
They are really quite equal at this point, perhaps not in the ring, but they certainly are on paper.
I've already suggested Ortiz, a boxer that does have the skills and ranks, but can't bring in the money because his fans got no money, but Haye doesn't seem to want to fight him either. In other words, Haye can't fight top contenders, the subleague can't offer anything for Haye and neither the other way around and behind that you'll find Shannon Briggs.

David Haye once talked himself into a match, but he's basically a cruiserweight that wants to beat the heavyweights, but can't.

For me Haye seems to be just after cash and nothing else.

Any top 30 fighter can easely avoid David Haye because he's too low ranked, so Briggs really isn't such a bad option.
Somehow Haye seems to wish to avoid that option and wishes to become the new Briggs himself.

Because Briggs hasn't beaten anyone decent in years. If anyone wants an easy fight and had to choose to fight Haye or Briggs I'd put money on Briggs being picked everytime. Haye's goal is a world title shot and the only way is to get up the rankings as quick as possible, beating a 44 year old Briggs isn't going to achieve that. Watch how slow Briggs was in his last fight, he's just a loudmouth meathead who is past his best and trying to get one last big pay day before retiring. Go through Briggs record, anyone he has beaten in the last 10 years Haye would beat even easier.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Looking at the last clip I saw of briggs hitting the heavy bag, he appears to have absolutely zero gas in the tank, he looked exhausted after about 10 seconds.

He's just a roided up former name now looking to cash out.

asdfjkl wrote:
They are really in the same spot at this moment of time.

Controversial wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:
They are really in the same spot at this moment of time.

They are not at the same point at all, are you serious? Haye is still a world class fighter and a dangerous opponent, fit, fast and powerful. Briggs is past it, old, slow, unfit and only dangerous if he happens to land a haymaker in the first round.

watsupdoc87 wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Controversial wrote:who can blame Haye for an easy fight after the injury and time out he's had.

most people

keithmoonhangover wrote:

watsupdoc87 wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

most people

Yeah, just put him in with Ortiz on his first night back after 3 years out and major surgery. Yeah, coz that makes perfect sense.

asdfjkl wrote:
What makes Haymaker a world class fighter? In his cruiserweight time he was, but he didn't even deserve his win over Nicolai Valuev and out of that he only fought guys way below world class level.

watsupdoc87 wrote:hes an ex 2 weight world champ, who believes he could ko the current world champ, so someone better than fuking mark demori would of been expected

keithmoonhangover wrote:

watsupdoc87 wrote:hes an ex 2 weight world champ, who believes he could ko the current world champ, so someone better than fuking mark demori would of been expected

A sell out O2 and a massive TV audience disagree. The fight was like Tyson-McNeeley, or Bruno-Emen, it was a beginning.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

watsupdoc87 wrote:hes an ex 2 weight world champ, who believes he could ko the current world champ, so someone better than fuking mark demori would of been expected

A sell out O2 and a massive TV audience disagree. The fight was like Tyson-McNeeley, or Bruno-Emen, it was a beginning.

asdfjkl wrote:*Now I'm thinking about it, perhaps David can fight Joseph Parker

Controversial wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

watsupdoc87 wrote:hes an ex 2 weight world champ, who believes he could ko the current world champ, so someone better than fuking mark demori would of been expected

A sell out O2 and a massive TV audience disagree. The fight was like Tyson-McNeeley, or Bruno-Emen, it was a beginning.

Tyson vs McNeeley is a good comparison. George Foreman fought 24 guys in his comeback to get his title shot and the majority of them were pretty poor, Foreman ducked everyone who was a major danger and was even quite vocal that he wanted no part of Lennox Lewis. They even had to drag Cooney out of retirement to try and make his comeback more credible. Yet Haye is meant to jump straight in with a top ranked HW. Go figure.

watsupdoc87 wrote:

Controversial wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
A sell out O2 and a massive TV audience disagree. The fight was like Tyson-McNeeley, or Bruno-Emen, it was a beginning.

Tyson vs McNeeley is a good comparison. George Foreman fought 24 guys in his comeback to get his title shot and the majority of them were pretty poor, Foreman ducked everyone who was a major danger and was even quite vocal that he wanted no part of Lennox Lewis. They even had to drag Cooney out of retirement to try and make his comeback more credible. Yet Haye is meant to jump straight in with a top ranked HW. Go figure.

tyson was in a concrete box for afew years, haye is claiming he could knock out the champ fury, then fights de mori

Controversial wrote:

watsupdoc87 wrote:

Controversial wrote:
Tyson vs McNeeley is a good comparison. George Foreman fought 24 guys in his comeback to get his title shot and the majority of them were pretty poor, Foreman ducked everyone who was a major danger and was even quite vocal that he wanted no part of Lennox Lewis. They even had to drag Cooney out of retirement to try and make his comeback more credible. Yet Haye is meant to jump straight in with a top ranked HW. Go figure.

tyson was in a concrete box for afew years, haye is claiming he could knock out the champ fury, then fights de mori

You make no sense. How was he meant to fight Fury when he wasn't even ranked?

watsupdoc87 wrote:

Controversial wrote:

watsupdoc87 wrote:
tyson was in a concrete box for afew years, haye is claiming he could knock out the champ fury, then fights de mori

You make no sense. How was he meant to fight Fury when he wasn't even ranked?

hes not goin to get the fury fight by fighting guys like de mori and just running his big mouth

Controversial wrote:

watsupdoc87 wrote:

Controversial wrote:
You make no sense. How was he meant to fight Fury when he wasn't even ranked?

hes not goin to get the fury fight by fighting guys like de mori and just running his big mouth

Or by fighting has beens like Briggs.

Controversial wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:
What makes Haymaker a world class fighter? In his cruiserweight time he was, but he didn't even deserve his win over Nicolai Valuev and out of that he only fought guys way below world class level.

Haye is a hard puncher, fast and in shape, in todays HW scene that makes him a dangerous opponent for any HW around. I would favour him over Fury, AJ, Wilder, Martin and several other of the top HWs, by definition that makes him world class. What makes Briggs a world class fighter because I see Briggs losing to all of them.

clopixolacuphase wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:*Now I'm thinking about it, perhaps David can fight Joseph Parker

Brilliant

asdfjkl wrote:

clopixolacuphase wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:*Now I'm thinking about it, perhaps David can fight Joseph Parker

Brilliant

That's the only guy I can think of who's after a UK fight, got a high rank and would be foolish enough to make this choice. As a fighter I think they are pretty much equal, both just below the real top.

asdfjkl wrote:
He's not a hard puncher, a out blown Chisora is actually his best KO victory ever isn't it? He had the chance to fight Fury, for a big pile of cash actually, but he chickened out, several times even, because he knew very well he would have lost. Amazing to see how powerful media is, people actually believe in this cruiserweight who's just after money and nothing else.

Briggs beated more people in the first round as Haye has beaten people at all.
Haye has only fought 10 heavyweights, most of them born before 1975, his first heavyweight who wasn't was Klitschko, which he lost while Klitschko was 35 years old at the time, after that came Chisora and Mark de Mori and now what? Now Haye got no time left to build himself up?
Bullshit, Haye is just after money and doesn't want to fight himself up because he knows he can't. He got the chance to fight someone who's ranked higher as he is himself and at this moment it seems like he's refusing.

asdfjkl wrote:

Controversial wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:
What makes Haymaker a world class fighter? In his cruiserweight time he was, but he didn't even deserve his win over Nicolai Valuev and out of that he only fought guys way below world class level.

Haye is a hard puncher, fast and in shape, in todays HW scene that makes him a dangerous opponent for any HW around. I would favour him over Fury, AJ, Wilder, Martin and several other of the top HWs, by definition that makes him world class. What makes Briggs a world class fighter because I see Briggs losing to all of them.

He's not a hard puncher, a out blown Chisora is actually his best KO victory ever isn't it? He had the chance to fight Fury, for a big pile of cash actually, but he chickened out, several times even, because he knew very well he would have lost. Amazing to see how powerful media is, people actually believe in this cruiserweight who's just after money and nothing else.

Briggs beated more people in the first round as Haye has beaten people at all.
Haye has only fought 10 heavyweights, most of them born before 1975, his first heavyweight who wasn't was Klitschko, which he lost while Klitschko was 35 years old at the time, after that came Chisora and Mark de Mori and now what? Now Haye got no time left to build himself up?
Bullshit, Haye is just after money and doesn't want to fight himself up because he knows he can't. He got the chance to fight someone who's ranked higher as he is himself and at this moment it seems like he's refusing.

Controversial wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:
He's not a hard puncher, a out blown Chisora is actually his best KO victory ever isn't it? He had the chance to fight Fury, for a big pile of cash actually, but he chickened out, several times even, because he knew very well he would have lost. Amazing to see how powerful media is, people actually believe in this cruiserweight who's just after money and nothing else.

Briggs beated more people in the first round as Haye has beaten people at all.
Haye has only fought 10 heavyweights, most of them born before 1975, his first heavyweight who wasn't was Klitschko, which he lost while Klitschko was 35 years old at the time, after that came Chisora and Mark de Mori and now what? Now Haye got no time left to build himself up?
Bullshit, Haye is just after money and doesn't want to fight himself up because he knows he can't. He got the chance to fight someone who's ranked higher as he is himself and at this moment it seems like he's refusing.

Haye isn't a hard puncher, what has lead you to that conclusion? Chisora would beat Briggs and all these heavyweights that Briggs has knocked out in one round wouldn't last a round with Haye either. Haye has plenty of time he is only 35 what are you talking about? I'm sure Haye is after the money, as is any fighter on the planet. If anyone is desperate for money its Briggs who is still fighting aged 44 and chasing people around the world challenging them when he hasn't beaten anyone decent for years.

Dixonian wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Controversial wrote:
Haye is a hard puncher, fast and in shape, in todays HW scene that makes him a dangerous opponent for any HW around. I would favour him over Fury, AJ, Wilder, Martin and several other of the top HWs, by definition that makes him world class. What makes Briggs a world class fighter because I see Briggs losing to all of them.

He's not a hard puncher, a out blown Chisora is actually his best KO victory ever isn't it? He had the chance to fight Fury, for a big pile of cash actually, but he chickened out, several times even, because he knew very well he would have lost. Amazing to see how powerful media is, people actually believe in this cruiserweight who's just after money and nothing else.

Briggs beated more people in the first round as Haye has beaten people at all.
Haye has only fought 10 heavyweights, most of them born before 1975, his first heavyweight who wasn't was Klitschko, which he lost while Klitschko was 35 years old at the time, after that came Chisora and Mark de Mori and now what? Now Haye got no time left to build himself up?
Bullshit, Haye is just after money and doesn't want to fight himself up because he knows he can't. He got the chance to fight someone who's ranked higher as he is himself and at this moment it seems like he's refusing.

Not a hard puncher? Please... anyone who vaguely understands the concept of what 'hard punching' is, knows that Haye is, indeed, a hard puncher.

asdfjkl wrote:
Briggs has beaten several opponends quite recently who were ranked higher by boxrec as Mark de Mori. Also, there are others saying Haye got no time left and using that as an excuse to let him fight top contenders while he hasn't proved to be worth it. Wladimir already said he never deserved a shot at Klitschko in the first place and losing all 12 rounds was actually a far better performance as expected. Briggs is higher ranked as David Haye at this moment for a reason and I think it would be a fair and normal match.

I really don't see why there's so much hype around Haye. I wrote about him beïng after money because people blamed Briggs to be after money, while Briggs seems to be just after a fair fight.