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jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Controversial wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: No a fixed fight is where someone is paid to lose, many of Carera's fixed fights were against journeymen he should have beaten anyway.

Why would you pay someone to lose when you can beat them anyway?

This wasn't a fix, however, the opponent had no real intention of trying to win. He was happy to get his pay, and get out of there taking the minimum punishment.

The ridiculous dive he took following the shot after the bell was completely laughable.

Yeah I'd go along with that, but he had no chance of winning and was on the back foot from the opening bell. It was no fix he just bottled it.

Controversial wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Controversial wrote:A fix haha I've heard it all now. Why would Haye pay Gjerjag to lay down, he stood no chance anyway. A fixed fight is invariably when the underdog beats the favourite in a suspicious manner, not when the favourite wins a fight he was expected to win.

No a fixed fight is where someone is paid to lose, many of Carera's fixed fights were against journeymen he should have beaten anyway.

Why would you pay someone to lose when you can beat them anyway?

this is the problem with such ridiculous mismatches, the away fighter comes with virtually zero ambition, and we get a farcial main event.

Anyone who can't see that such events dent the sports popularity in the long run, is deluding themselves.

Can all the people claiming this was a fix at least have the balls to say Gjerjag had ZERO chance either way?

I suspect these are the same people who were expecting Haye to lose.

Tony1244 wrote:Can all the people claiming this was a fix at least have the balls to say Gjerjag had ZERO chance either way?

I suspect these are the same people who were expecting Haye to lose.

It wasn't a fix, but he clearly decided not to have a go at all. Did he even throw a single punch - I don't recall him doing so.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Can all the people claiming this was a fix at least have the balls to say Gjerjag had ZERO chance either way?

I suspect these are the same people who were expecting Haye to lose.

It wasn't a fix, but he clearly decided not to have a go at all. Did he even throw a single punch - I don't recall him doing so.

I'm just reading in between the lines of some of these posts.

If you look for undefeated HWs in the top 200 there aren't that many of them. Some of our Eastern European friends were gravely disappointed that Haye-Gjerjag was a mismatch so they claimed it was fixed, insinuating that if it wasn't fixed there would have been a different result.

Tony1244 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Can all the people claiming this was a fix at least have the balls to say Gjerjag had ZERO chance either way?

I suspect these are the same people who were expecting Haye to lose.

It wasn't a fix, but he clearly decided not to have a go at all. Did he even throw a single punch - I don't recall him doing so.

I'm just reading in between the lines of some of these posts.

If you look for undefeated HWs in the top 200 there aren't that many of them. Some of our Eastern European friends were gravely disappointed that Haye-Gjerjag was a mismatch so they claimed it was fixed, insinuating that if it wasn't fixed there would have been a different result.

They must be mental.

Tony1244 wrote:Can all the people claiming this was a fix at least have the balls to say Gjerjag had ZERO chance either way?

I suspect these are the same people who were expecting Haye to lose.

Both of Haye's so-called comeback fights were total fixes - exhibitions not real fights. So was his so called fight against his pal Harrison. His so called fight - read running away - against a very sick Valuev was also fixed with the judges; and his fight with Barrett was crooked too. If the last exhibition was real I would definitely pick the Albanian to win. I saw him in against Bakhtov, who is a real heavyweight fighter and not a WWE cartoon character like Haye and Briggs, and I saw the way he handled him and withstood his hard punches, as opposed to Haye's pitty pats - that is "thunderous rights" according to the shill announcers. The Albanian was also sparring partner for Fury and Klitschko. He can take a very good punch...but not pitty pats.

"Both of Haye's so-called comeback fights were total fixes "


Neither of the clowns threw a single punch with bad intentions. The lot of them should be banned from boxing - except the ones that run boxing are even crookeder than they are.

Here they have their chance of a lifetime - in with a big name fighter on tv. Even a golden glover with such an opportunity would be winging punches for all he's worth hoping for a lucky KO - but not those two. They just stand there covering up so they don't get hurt, waiting for a good time to sit down - literally sit down in the case of the last one!

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
It wasn't a fix, but he clearly decided not to have a go at all. Did he even throw a single punch - I don't recall him doing so.

I'm just reading in between the lines of some of these posts.

If you look for undefeated HWs in the top 200 there aren't that many of them. Some of our Eastern European friends were gravely disappointed that Haye-Gjerjag was a mismatch so they claimed it was fixed, insinuating that if it wasn't fixed there would have been a different result.

They must be mental.

X2X just confirmed that. Every time a fighter wins with the wrong skin pigmentation it's a fix.

What a clown.

Tony1244 wrote: X2X just confirmed that. Every time a fighter wins with the wrong skin pigmentation...

Little ahole cant defend his bs so now he tries to trot out the race card.

x2x wrote:

Tony1244 wrote: X2X just confirmed that. Every time a fighter wins with the wrong skin pigmentation...

Little ahole cant defend his bs so now he tries to trot out the race card.

It must be a rip roaring coincidence that every fighter you criticize is black and every fighter you compliment is white.

I suppose in your fantasy world Bakhtov could beat Joshua. Just how much did you lose betting on G-jerk?

Controversial wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Controversial wrote:A fix haha I've heard it all now. Why would Haye pay Gjerjag to lay down, he stood no chance anyway. A fixed fight is invariably when the underdog beats the favourite in a suspicious manner, not when the favourite wins a fight he was expected to win.

No a fixed fight is where someone is paid to lose, many of Carera's fixed fights were against journeymen he should have beaten anyway.

Why would you pay someone to lose when you can beat them anyway?

In order to beat them in a more impressive manner.

BitPlayer wrote:

Controversial wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: No a fixed fight is where someone is paid to lose, many of Carera's fixed fights were against journeymen he should have beaten anyway.

Why would you pay someone to lose when you can beat them anyway?

In order to beat them in a more impressive manner.

He never stood a chance anyway, he bottled it after the first hard shot Haye landed, not fixed just in over his head. He took Zarate seven rounds, that tells you all you need to know about his quality.

Tony1244 wrote:
It must be a rip roaring coincidence that every fighter you criticize is black and every fighter you compliment is white.

I suppose in your fantasy world Bakhtov could beat Joshua. Just how much did you lose betting on G-jerk?

Oh no, the Haye cockroaches are coming out of the woodwork again! For years they infested these boxing forums ranting and raving about how Wlad would never be able to withstand Haye's "thunderous punches". Then they shut up for a few years...and now they are crawling back out again.

x2x wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:
It must be a rip roaring coincidence that every fighter you criticize is black and every fighter you compliment is white.

I suppose in your fantasy world Bakhtov could beat Joshua. Just how much did you lose betting on G-jerk?

Oh no, the Haye cockroaches are coming out of the woodwork again! For years they infested these boxing forums ranting and raving about how Wlad would never be able to withstand Haye's "thunderous punches". Then they shut up for a few years...and now they are crawling back out again.

I am not a Haye fan.

Everything I have written on these boards over the years bears that out. I ridiculed him when he "stubbed his toe" before the Klitschko fight.

But here is a clip for you to watch between Joshua and the Great Bakhtov. I am an Anthony Joshua fan though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MRbWV2HzEI

Tony1244 wrote:

x2x wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:
It must be a rip roaring coincidence that every fighter you criticize is black and every fighter you compliment is white.

I suppose in your fantasy world Bakhtov could beat Joshua. Just how much did you lose betting on G-jerk?

Oh no, the Haye cockroaches are coming out of the woodwork again! For years they infested these boxing forums ranting and raving about how Wlad would never be able to withstand Haye's "thunderous punches". Then they shut up for a few years...and now they are crawling back out again.

I am not a Haye fan.

Everything I have written on these boards over the years bears that out. I ridiculed him when he "stubbed his toe" before the Klitschko fight.

But here is a clip for you to watch between Joshua and the Great Bakhtov. I am an Anthony Joshua fan though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MRbWV2HzEI

Have to say, rewatching that clip, it's impressive how;

Light on his toes Joshua is
How quick his hands are for such a big man
How fluid and relaxed he appears.

I've seen people compare him to Bruno, but really, he is very little like him, Bruno was so predictable, jab, jab jab, BIGRIGHTHAND....jab, jab, jab BIGRIGHTHAND - ad infinitum, and he was also tight as a bongo drum in there.

Joshua's main failing at the moment, is that when he throws hooks, he's standing too square on, and his head is there to be targeted, he needs to get his body into them a bit more, but his straight shots and jab look great.

Not sure I get why people think it's ok to fix a fight just because Gjerjag was gonna lose anyway - his own people somewhere could have money on a r2 KO - I'm not saying they do - but if people are going in the ring not trying to the best of their ability, and going down when they really haven't been hit - the whole sport suffers.
Mismatching and fight fixing are two completely separate issues.

..just one of those mismachtes to get to the top, no need to fix..

Syntax Error wrote:

x2x wrote:Here's the whole David Gaye Fake Fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahl1aHItrVo

Check out that hilarious fake knockdown at the end of round one at 4:37!

Arnold Whathisname must have been talking with Bruce Seldon before the bout!

Bruce Seldon was WBA Heavyweight Champion of the World and he couldn't fight a lick.. Tyson was Seldon's 2nd World Title Defense after beating a fat Indian named Joe Hipp. Guys who are pretty terrible athletes can actually can go a long way in Boxing. There are many super terrible boxers, because just about anyone under 45 who can breath can get a license to box. In fact, losing boxers are in great demand. If you're damned good, and knock everybody dead, it's damned hard to get fights unless you're super well connected. Luis Ortiz can't get the fights he deserves. It's pretty easy to go 30-0 and sometimes even win a World Title in Boxing - by fighting the type of opponents Gjergjaj fought to build his record. But there's always a day of reckoning like there was for Gjergjaj and Seldon.

It's embarrassing because these guys would be 3 X as good if they had a couple months training from a great coach - and if they actually had an overwhelming desire to learn anything... But the reason no good coach would have anything to do with them is, they can tell in 30 minutes that their natural talents are not those of a boxer.