Tyson Was Truly The Last Great Heavyweight

[foxdog1923]

For me, Tyson back in 1986-87 was a black, futuristic, well built, stylish, knockout artist with a face of a bad ass (all respect to Mike).

The Tyson era was the perfect timing for boxing so in a sense, Mike saved boxing, he was boxings hero. THAT'S what I believe makes Tyson great is that like Ali, he made everyone watch boxing.

[Tuan_Jim]

Tyson was certainly the last heavyweight to benefit, in the 80s, from having the unanimous cooperation of promoters, sanctioning bodies and TV.

It's so difficult to make sense of the 90s because logical fights weren't made due to warring channels and promoters protecting their interest. Could Bowe with everyone behind him have had a long dominant reign? Or would he always have eaten himself out of greatness? Could Lewis' arrogance and chin survive a series of bouts with prime Bowe and Holyfield, a still fast, pre-Holyfield Tyson? Would Moorer with his power throw a spanner in the works somewhere? The only man to emerge from the 90s mess as unquestionably great was Holyfield. The others I think have questions hanging over them.

- Well now jimmy, it only appears a mystery to you and yours that a dimwit like Bowe could ever have more than a one fight prime in spite of having huge hbo$ and Eddie Futch behind him.

Lewis title record 15-2-1 and unified 4 belts. Tyson the first to unify 4 belts was 12-4 but 10-0 of that was his first historically unprecedented run where he scarcely lost a rd or failed to notch a ko.

Clearly the lessers were PED guzzling Field and grub inhaling Dummy at 10-7-2 and 5-1. Neither ever unified, but like many club fighters had their diehard legions.

Unfortunately lewis the lion sold 2 belts to DKing and retired as a soiled lamb days before his 3rd strippage after sitting on his last belt to milk out his claim as champ, so while I rank Tyson over him, at least he's in the debate.

The lessers are always gonna be lessers like their delusional fans, no doubt descendent from the rowdy fans of the late no so great Marvin Hart.

Very lucid. Your meds have some effect I see. Not a positive one however.

He thinks Mike Tyson unified "4" belts and that Evander Holyfield wasn't the undisputed heavyweight champion. His desire to sound like an intellectual far exceeds his actual intelligence.

[Tomasino]

- Well now jimmy, it only appears a mystery to you and yours that a dimwit like Bowe could ever have more than a one fight prime in spite of having huge hbo$ and Eddie Futch behind him.

Lewis title record 15-2-1 and unified 4 belts. Tyson the first to unify 4 belts was 12-4 but 10-0 of that was his first historically unprecedented run where he scarcely lost a rd or failed to notch a ko.

Clearly the lessers were PED guzzling Field and grub inhaling Dummy at 10-7-2 and 5-1. Neither ever unified, but like many club fighters had their diehard legions.

Unfortunately lewis the lion sold 2 belts to DKing and retired as a soiled lamb days before his 3rd strippage after sitting on his last belt to milk out his claim as champ, so while I rank Tyson over him, at least he's in the debate.

The lessers are always gonna be lessers like their delusional fans, no doubt descendent from the rowdy fans of the late no so great Marvin Hart.

Very lucid. Your meds have some effect I see. Not a positive one however.

He thinks Mike Tyson unified "4" belts and that Evander Holyfield wasn't the undisputed heavyweight champion. His desire to sound like an intellectual far exceeds his actual intelligence.

Indeed. I tire of these fragments of one mans deranged mind.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- I used to spend up to a year teaching new college grads on how to do basic math required for their first real job, so I well understand the limited capacities too often exhibited on these forums.

And yes, it's easy to see all of your heart's desires gravitate to your little wank threads just as easy as I can see field and dummy inherited Tyson's unified title that was quickly torn asunder. And no, sweeties, neither one ever unified a single title on their own.

Only Wlad, Lewis, and Tyson did that. You could look it up, but why bother when your religion tells you 10-7-2 and 5-1 is better than 15-2-1 and 12-4. Your simple maths is truly beyond the wonders of even the Creation, so congrats on that.

[Tuan_Jim]

- I used to spend up to a year teaching new college grads on how to do basic math required for their first real job, so I well understand the limited capacities too often exhibited on these forums.

And yes, it's easy to see all of your heart's desires gravitate to your little wank threads just as easy as I can see field and dummy inherited Tyson's unified title that was quickly torn asunder. And no, sweeties, neither one ever unified a single title on their own.

Only Wlad, Lewis, and Tyson did that. You could look it up, but why bother when your religion tells you 10-7-2 and 5-1 is better than 15-2-1 and 12-4. Your simple maths is truly beyond the wonders of even the Creation, so congrats on that.

Wrong again. Holyfield unified the WBA belt he took from Tyson with the IBF belt having trounced Moorer. I pity the people you were sending out into the world to find work.

[Tomasino]

- I used to spend up to a year teaching new college grads on how to do basic math required for their first real job, so I well understand the limited capacities too often exhibited on these forums.

And yes, it's easy to see all of your heart's desires gravitate to your little wank threads just as easy as I can see field and dummy inherited Tyson's unified title that was quickly torn asunder. And no, sweeties, neither one ever unified a single title on their own.

Only Wlad, Lewis, and Tyson did that. You could look it up, but why bother when your religion tells you 10-7-2 and 5-1 is better than 15-2-1 and 12-4. Your simple maths is truly beyond the wonders of even the Creation, so congrats on that.

Wrong again. Holyfield unified the WBA belt he took from Tyson with the IBF belt having trounced Moorer. I pity the people you were sending out into the world to find work.

This guys never been to college, never mind taught it's when he gets worked up he reveals himself.

[Tuan_Jim]

- I used to spend up to a year teaching new college grads on how to do basic math required for their first real job, so I well understand the limited capacities too often exhibited on these forums.

And yes, it's easy to see all of your heart's desires gravitate to your little wank threads just as easy as I can see field and dummy inherited Tyson's unified title that was quickly torn asunder. And no, sweeties, neither one ever unified a single title on their own.

Only Wlad, Lewis, and Tyson did that. You could look it up, but why bother when your religion tells you 10-7-2 and 5-1 is better than 15-2-1 and 12-4. Your simple maths is truly beyond the wonders of even the Creation, so congrats on that.

Wrong again. Holyfield unified the WBA belt he took from Tyson with the IBF belt having trounced Moorer. I pity the people you were sending out into the world to find work.

This guys never been to college, never mind taught it's when he gets worked up he reveals himself.

It didn't sound plausible, did it? He writes like the perennial dumb voiceless discontent using message boards to indulge silly fantasies.

[Kalan]

THAT'S what I believe makes Tyson great is that like Ali, he made everyone watch boxing.

There were a large number for viewers watching Tyson get mopped up by Douglas, Holyfield, and Lewis... and millions of folks saw Ali get beaten up by massive underdogs Norton and Spinks on free TV... As a Brit---If Anthony Joshua ever lost to somebody of that caliber he'd never hear the end of it.

[Syntax Error]

Wrong again. Holyfield unified the WBA belt he took from Tyson with the IBF belt having trounced Moorer. I pity the people you were sending out into the world to find work.

This guys never been to college, never mind taught it's when he gets worked up he reveals himself.

It didn't sound plausible, did it? He writes like the perennial dumb voiceless discontent using message boards to indulge silly fantasies.

[lazboy]

Have any of you read Tyson auto bio, the undisputed truth? He had an interesting life to say the least. I don't know how much skite he spun but it's clear his weakness was his mental state. He was a phenomenal fighter but his style required him to be in tip top condition...something his mind couldn't maintain.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Wrong again. Holyfield unified the WBA belt he took from Tyson with the IBF belt having trounced Moorer. I pity the people you were sending out into the world to find work.

- Nah, in boxing parlance it's called walking an overly aggressive sucker into a big right hand, (((BooM)))

And I trained a couple of hundred not for the world, but rather for the job they were hired to do because of their college qualifications that left them math illiterate and in danger of being sacked. So it follows that it's easy to figure you dinky derelicts would come seamlessly slobbering back from your mam wank threads smirking with glee over the woeful IBF title stripped from Foreman that Bob Lee went to prison for a few years later. Lee created the perfect primer on how to bait your kinderkind. Foreman was first stripped of WBA by refusing to fight Don King promoted Tony Tucker who hadn't been Ring Ranked in years. Point in fact Tucker lost all 3 bouts in 1995 much like Schultz would be doing, so all George was doing was standing up for himself and doing things his way to finally make his money after being frozen out of the title after his fight with Ali two decades before.

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1998-09-19

Vaughn Bean 231 L Evander Holyfield 217

Georgia Dome, Atlanta, Georgia UD 12/12

Bean down in 10th.
1997-11-08

Michael Moorer 223 L Evander Holyfield 214

Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada RTD 8/12

Moorer down 5 times in the fight.
1997-03-29

Vaughn Bean 212 L Michael Moorer 212

Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada MD 12/12

1996-11-09

Michael Moorer 219 W Frans Botha 224

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada TKO 12/12

1996-06-22

Michael Moorer 222¼ W Axel Schulz 222¾

Westfalen Stadion, Dortmund, Nordrhein-Westfalen SD 12/12

1995-12-09

Axel Schulz 237 N Frans Botha 222

Hanns-Martin-Schleyer-Halle, Stuttgart, Baden-Württemberg NC 12/12

Botha tested positive for steroids shortly after the fight and was stripped of the title
1995-04-22

George Foreman 256 W Axel Schulz 221

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada MD 12/12

Shortly after this fight, Foreman was stripped by the IBF for refusing to give Schulz a rematch.
1994-11-05

Michael Moorer 222 L George Foreman
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Basically, Schultz lost 3 straight IBF title fights, Botha was stripped and then lost another while Moorer won 2 straight against the disgraced two above before defending against The Great Bean and then losing to Field who promptly followed the path of least resistance against the ever resilient punch bag The Great Bean before Lewis took his lunch money away.

Now, let's combine Field and Dummy and we get a more respectable 15-8-2 record with one measly unification of the Prison bound Lee run IBF, like a wowwy, zowwy, look what we done ma...snicker.

Oh, and in the ever moving goalposts of boxrec editing, I see now that Tyson appears to be stripped of his Ring title in 89, perhaps for fighting Bruno, or perhaps just a pause in the editing that shows the Ring Title vacant through the entire 90s until 2003 and 2004 with Lewis and Vitali respectively, and then vacated until 2006 with Wlad up until last year when Fury took it.

That would mean Field, Douglas, and Lewis never held 4 titles like Tyson and Wlad, but whatever. I really can't be bothered with such ineducable low rents as yourselves, always sniping at tiny snippets. At least there was some redemption of sorts recently with some who obviously no longer post about boxing having a higher level debate over the Brexit vote. Well done for them, a few diamonds gleaming out of these otherwise fetid fields of slung foo.

[Tuan_Jim]

I think we all expected another long, convoluted and cringeworthy shifting of the goal posts from you. Sometimes it's best to just throw your hands up and admit you were wrong. Since Boxrec is obviously your only source of information, and you enjoy a good copy & paste, you should take yourself off to cruiserweight history and see Evander Holyfield unifying more titles there.

Why the "how many belts did they personally unify" question is relevant to anything at all is anybody's guess.

[Kalan]

I'm not too concerned about the number of titles or belts somebody accumulated. Guys with Title Belts have proven ability to hide from much better fighters holding other Title Belts in the same division. The GGG saga over the last 6 years proves this beyond any doubt.

Foreman was the first Lineal Heavyweight Champion who flagrantly picked his own challengers fight after fight – and nowadays many World Champions try to do exactly the same thing. There's little doubt who the best Heavyweight is -- and it's not Fury.

Mike Tyson clearly had problems with big, tall, strong, fast, skilled, smart, hard punching Heavyweights — such as Lewis and Douglas... Mike also had trouble with fast, strong, skilled, smart, and moderately hard punching -- but not very big, tall, or rangy, Evander Holyfield. Mike was an ATG, but he definitely could be beaten by guys with good size, strength, speed, toughness, smarts, and all-around skills – such as AJ and Luis Ortiz.