The Manassa Mauler vrs the Wild Bull of the Pampas (Sept.14.1923)

[Caractacus]

yeah he did,I think he may be referring to how he became rich off of being a world champion with his limited skills tho.
If you ask me Tommy Burns looks to be Northern Italian heritage juding by his facial features
(but im not a anthropologist )

[klompton]

He was German.

[jaclem3]

firpo was notoriously cheap. paid very low dollars to his sparring partners and manager. Nat fleitcher (my spelling changes over the years) always said this cost Firpo the championship.....a better manager would have said dempsey had help getting back into the ring and was out of it for more than ten second and raised hell with the referee.

the films of this fight must not do it justice....the cuts don't show all that the crowd must have seen. To me, from the films, all i see is a mostly one sided fight with the excitement coming from dempsey's brief knockdown out of the ring. "greatest.....most exciting fight in history....etc....etc...etc.

no way....the painting by bellows is great, though.

[funso banjo baby]

I read somewhere that when the fight reels were played in cinemas there were requests to rewind and replay key moments such as knockdowns. This tended to damage the film.

I don't know the technology back in the day for duplicated footage but as so many of the great fights have valuable seconds missing before , during, or after key moments...this would seem to have some sense as a theory.

there is a book about boxing on film in the dawning of the movie age but I haven't read it yet, i'd like to if its not too technical.

there is an enduring (if morbid) appeal that most fans hold of being able to actually see the final stages of Johnson v Burns. how much longer did that fight go on.

ah the missing seconds ......out there somewhere in the ether along with he lost episodes of Dr who.

[Caractacus]

He was German.

as far as Anthropololicaly speaking his features would tend to be more of Corsican extraction(like Napoleon Bonaparte) if you were to arsk me.
and how did he get ahold of a surname like Brusso if he was of Germanic origin may I also arsk ?

[Caractacus]

firpo was notoriously cheap. paid very low dollars to his sparring partners and manager. Nat fleitcher (my spelling changes over the years) always said this cost Firpo the championship.....a better manager would have said dempsey had help getting back into the ring and was out of it for more than ten second and raised hell with the referee.

the films of this fight must not do it justice....the cuts don't show all that the crowd must have seen. To me, from the films, all i see is a mostly one sided fight with the excitement coming from dempsey's brief knockdown out of the ring. "greatest.....most exciting fight in history....etc....etc...etc.

no way....the painting by bellows is great, though.

I watch it with the sound off and it sure looked exciting to me considering its a small shadowy blurry image from a distant age .

[Chuck1052]

Luis Firpo had an extremely crude fighting style and threw roundhouse punches. As a result, any top heavyweight should have been able to take Firpo apart. It seemed that Jack Dempsey made it much harder on himself by being so aggressive and slugging it out with Firpo. I doubt that Firpo could refine his fighting style to any great degree by using good sparring partners in his training camps within a certain time frame.

- Chuck Johnston

[APerno]

Luis Firpo had an extremely crude fighting style and threw roundhouse punches. As a result, any top heavyweight should have been able to take Firpo apart. It seemed that Jack Dempsey made it much harder on himself by being so aggressive and slugging it out with Firpo. I doubt that Firpo could refine his fighting style to any great degree by using good sparring partners in his training camps within a certain time frame.

- Chuck Johnston

Would seem to me that Dempsey would be as unlikely to change his style; if his opponent stood in front of him he was going to swing for the fences.

[bollocks]

Extremely hard men in extremely hard times. Kudos

[klompton]

He was German.

as far as Anthropololicaly speaking his features would tend to be more of Corsican extraction(like Napoleon Bonaparte) if you were to arsk me.
and how did he get ahold of a surname like Brusso if he was of Germanic origin may I also arsk ?

Id love to hear more about your anthropological background. LOL.

[Caractacus]

I would be happy to tell you as soon as you tell us how his family came to be of the surname "Brusso"
if they was Germans.

[Caractacus]

One of the Greatest Fights of the Twentieth Century was 100 years ago ( last September).
Where were thee in '23 ?

[Caractacus]

The Polo Grounds in NYC (attendance 85,000 )
with an additional 20,000 trying to get in.

[Caractacus]

the typewriter that Dempsey fell on top of and broke when he fell out of the ring,was placed in a store window in NYC for months afterwards.
Whatever became of it ?

[Caractacus]

where is the typewriter now ?

[Caractacus]

He was German.

as far as Anthropololicaly speaking his features would tend to be more of Corsican extraction(like Napoleon Bonaparte) if you were to arsk me.
and how did he get ahold of a surname like Brusso if he was of Germanic origin may I also arsk ?

bTW did you know that Cus D'Amato was related to Napolean Bonapate ?
(on his mother's side)

[Controversial]

Looks like two YouTubers having their first fight

[Caractacus]

BTW i read Gene Tunney's 1941 book ARMS fOR living.
and in ti he mentions that he had spoke to one of
the people involved in filming Dempsey vrs Firpo,
and said that tex Richard ordered 25 feet of film
re-moved from the original negative of it.
Those 25 feet of film was of Dempsey knocked out of the ring.

[Caractacus]

BTW I read Gene Tunney's 1941 book ARMS FOR LIVING.
and in it he mentions that he had spoke to one of
the people involved in filming Dempsey vrs Firpo,
and said that Tex Richard had ordered that 25 feet of film
be re-moved from the original negative of it.
Those 25 feet of film was of Dempsey knocked out of the ring.

sounds like what also happened with the original film negative
of Cassius Clay vrs Henry Cooper in 1963 too
( if you were to Arsk me)
JUNE.18.1963-Wembley Stadium London England.