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CaptainSpacerod wrote:The guy deserves more respect. He proves himself to be far and away the best super mid in the world

No, he didn't.

Kovalev's career and dominance is far more worthy of respect than Ward's.
Kovalev's won and defended his titles abroad countless times.
He didn't rely on hometown judges and referees.
He didn't need to have a sugar daddy that guarantees his purse out of his own pocket.

Ward attempts a double leg take down vs Kovalev in the 3rd rd, ffs, and Robert Byrd turns to Kovalev for the blame!
Respect!!!!

http://imgur.com/a/8Mjxs

crow wrote:

CaptainSpacerod wrote:The guy deserves more respect. He proves himself to be far and away the best super mid in the world

No, he didn't.

Kovalev's career and dominance is far more worthy of respect than Ward's.
Kovalev's won and defended his titles abroad countless times.
He didn't rely on hometown judges and referees.
He didn't need to have a sugar daddy that guarantees his purse out of his own pocket.

Ward attempts a double leg take down vs Kovalev in the 3rd rd, ffs, and Robert Byrd turns to Kovalev for the blame!
Respect!!!!

http://imgur.com/a/8Mjxs

crow wrote:

CaptainSpacerod wrote:The guy deserves more respect. He proves himself to be far and away the best super mid in the world

No, he didn't.

Kovalev's career and dominance is far more worthy of respect than Ward's.
Kovalev's won and defended his titles abroad countless times.
He didn't rely on hometown judges and referees.
He didn't need to have a sugar daddy that guarantees his purse out of his own pocket.

Ward attempts a double leg take down vs Kovalev in the 3rd rd, ffs, and Robert Byrd turns to Kovalev for the blame!
Respect!!!!

http://imgur.com/a/8Mjxs

I'm a big Kovalev fan, I wanted him to beat Ward and I have total respect for his career to date so I don't want to turn this into a who's more worthy than who debate. They're both great champions.

However to address your points in order, one could argue that whereas Ward beat everyone relevant at 168 Kova hasn't faced Stevenson or Beterbiev at 175. I know that's probably Stevenson's fault but it doesn't change the fact that Kova hasn't seen off allcomers

Yes Kova has fought most of his fights abroad but the market is in America, he would've earned peanuts and would still be fighting 4 rounders had all his fights been in Kopeysk. What was Ward meant to do, leave the fight capital of the world to fight in Nottingham and Denmark and Germany for less money ?

Hometown judges and referees. Apart from the Kova fight when has a Ward fight even been close on the cards ?

I don't know what your sugar daddy reference even means. What boxer wouldn't want his purse guaranteed without having to jump through all the various promotional hoops to satisfy bored adolescent fight fans.

Ward fights rough and gets away with things in the ring. That's what pro sportsmen do - try and gain every little advantage they can, bend the rules slightly. Blame the ref and the sanctioning bodies not Ward.

"What No One Is Asking" (Source: Boxing.com)

On Sunday, Main Events (Sergey Kovalev’s promoter) published a tweet wherein they blatantly labeled Andre Ward a “coward,” while also accusing that he left Las Vegas early purely to “avoid Kovalev.”

This sort of hateful and obnoxious behavior is nothing new from the promoter or their star fighter, and as usual, their social media activity spurred some to immediately jump on the bandwagon and add their voices to Main Events, believing that Ward indeed must have bailed on the taping of HBO’s “Face Off with Max Kellerman.”

However, no one has questioned one very important thing. During the HBO pay-per-view broadcast of the Canelo vs. Chavez Jr. fight on Saturday evening at T-Mobile Arena, Andre Ward spoke with Jim Lampley about the upcoming fight with Kovalev in an interview that was supposed to feature both boxers.

Where was Sergey Kovalev during that broadcast interview? Kovalev had the chance to talk to Ward face-to-face and call him a “coward” there, live, on television for the world to see. Yet he demurred and didn’t show at all. It’s reminiscent of Kovalev’s behavior previously—he has made some outright racist and hateful remarks on social media, yet when face-to-face with Ward in person at the press tour last month, he said nothing.

The bottom line is that one has to wonder if perhaps the reason the filming of “Face Off with Max Kellerman” didn’t occur on Sunday was because Kovalev didn’t show up for the live broadcast interview the evening before.

After all, most people who have been stood up once aren’t liable to wait around to see if it happens again.

This was an interesting article… and if it’s factually-correct, it seems that Kovalev received a “free pass” from fight fans for failing to fulfil an obligation to HBO, which was before the “Face Off with Max Kellerman” interview.

Therefore, it seems that fight fans have applied double-standards. Since Ward and Kovalev have both committed the very same proverbial “crime”, yet one man is praised, whilst the other is abused and heavily-criticised.

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Interesting information though

Who said that the ringside interview was supposed to feature both boxers? It was rather informal, so I doubt that Kovalev was required to be there. They are both supposed be in their camps, and the only reason Kovalev came was for that Face-off filming.

boxing_rocks wrote:Who said that the ringside interview was supposed to feature both boxers? It was rather informal, so I doubt that Kovalev was required to be there. They are both supposed be in their camps, and the only reason Kovalev came was for that Face-off filming.

Do you have proof that the article's claim is inaccurate? Vegas is literally a hop, skip and jump from Big Bear, minus the skip and jump. It makes sense that Krusher would be in town to promote the fight on the biggest ppv of the year, and given he was due at the faceoff early the next morning.

Why wouldn't HBO expect them both at their biggest ppv which I am reasonably certain attracts far more eyes than the faceoff farce?

Seems like Team Krusher decided to try and mess with SOGgy's head and got faceoffed

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Who said that the ringside interview was supposed to feature both boxers? It was rather informal, so I doubt that Kovalev was required to be there. They are both supposed be in their camps, and the only reason Kovalev came was for that Face-off filming.

Do you have proof that the article's claim is inaccurate? Vegas is literally a hop, skip and jump from Big Bear, minus the skip and jump. It makes sense that Krusher would be in town to promote the fight on the biggest ppv of the year, and given he was due at the faceoff early the next morning.

Why wouldn't HBO expect them both at their biggest ppv which I am reasonably certain attracts far more eyes than the faceoff farce?

Seems like Team Krusher decided to try and mess with SOGgy's head and got faceoffed

You start sounding like EO. What proof do you expect? Did the chick who wrote that article offer any proof? Did Lampley or anybody else from HBO mention that Kovalev was supposed to be there?

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Who said that the ringside interview was supposed to feature both boxers? It was rather informal, so I doubt that Kovalev was required to be there. They are both supposed be in their camps, and the only reason Kovalev came was for that Face-off filming.

Do you have proof that the article's claim is inaccurate? Vegas is literally a hop, skip and jump from Big Bear, minus the skip and jump. It makes sense that Krusher would be in town to promote the fight on the biggest ppv of the year, and given he was due at the faceoff early the next morning.

Why wouldn't HBO expect them both at their biggest ppv which I am reasonably certain attracts far more eyes than the faceoff farce?

Seems like Team Krusher decided to try and mess with SOGgy's head and got faceoffed

You start sounding like EO. What proof do you expect? Did the chick who wrote that article offer any proof? Did Lampley or anybody else from HBO mention that Kovalev was supposed to be there?

It’s interesting that you accept the words of Kathy Duva and Sergey Kovalev without requiring the need for validation, but when there are claims that these very same people have behaved in a hypocritical manner, you do your upmost to defend their honour… at all cost, without performing any fact-checking beforehand!

You’re a prime example of an ignorant fan that chooses to apply “double standards”, where you hold your “heroes” accountable to different standards than the people you deem to be “villains”.

Any information supplied by others that doesn't adhere to preferred narrative, then you always dismiss it out of hand, without considering the possibility that you’re ignoring the truth!

For the record, if you’ve followed the journalists’ (Caryn A. Tate) previous articles, you’ll realise that she writes for multiple reputable boxing websites and she frequently interviews the sports’ biggest names and the head honchos that work behind the scenes. Her journalistic reputation and boxing knowledge is undoubtedly far greater than yours... and mine!

Simply put: either prove that she’s wrong… or consider the possibility that she’s right!

By the way, the website contained within the hyperlink that I supplied, will provide you with Caryn's email address, so you can ask her to provide you with the proof that you require.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Who said that the ringside interview was supposed to feature both boxers? It was rather informal, so I doubt that Kovalev was required to be there. They are both supposed be in their camps, and the only reason Kovalev came was for that Face-off filming.

Do you have proof that the article's claim is inaccurate? Vegas is literally a hop, skip and jump from Big Bear, minus the skip and jump. It makes sense that Krusher would be in town to promote the fight on the biggest ppv of the year, and given he was due at the faceoff early the next morning.

Why wouldn't HBO expect them both at their biggest ppv which I am reasonably certain attracts far more eyes than the faceoff farce?

Seems like Team Krusher decided to try and mess with SOGgy's head and got faceoffed

You start sounding like EO. What proof do you expect? Did the chick who wrote that article offer any proof? Did Lampley or anybody else from HBO mention that Kovalev was supposed to be there?

It is fairly simple to deduct that it would have made sense to have both SOGgy and Krusher at HBO's biggest ppv of the year (so far) to promote their fight in six weeks time.

Does that not make sense to you?

It also makes sense that if the (pointless charade) Faceoff was scheduled for early Sunday morning that Team Krusher would most likely have been in town on Saturday night. If so, why would HBO not want Krusher at the post fight interview with SOGgy? Realtime I expected them to get Krusher's take on the fight after SOGgy's.

Appears to be attempted mind games by both camps, and Team Krusher seems to be much more sensitive to them.

boxing_rocks wrote:Who said that the ringside interview was supposed to feature both boxers? It was rather informal, so I doubt that Kovalev was required to be there. They are both supposed be in their camps, and the only reason Kovalev came was for that Face-off filming.

boxing_rocks wrote:You start sounding like EO. What proof do you expect? Did the chick who wrote that article offer any proof? Did Lampley or anybody else from HBO mention that Kovalev was supposed to be there?

The same claim was also made by The Ring website:

I talked to a source with knowledge of the matter from the Ward perspective. The source said actually, it was Kovalev who no showed. The two men were supposed to both be interviewed Saturday night in Vegas during the HBO PPV topped by the Canelo Alvarez-Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. fight.

Kovalev didn’t take part, Ward did, the source said.

I have supplied two articles written by different journalists that have detailed Kovalev's and Duva's hypocricy.

Now it’s time for your to act with integrity and criticise Sergey Kovalev for failing to fulfil his obligations to HBO. Doing otherwise will only serve to prove that you’re an ignorant fan that applies “double standards”.

So Andre Ward is labelled as a "coward" for not attending a promotional obligation to HBO, but Sergey Kovalev receives no criticism whatsoever for doing precisely the same thing the day prior?

Some of the comments in this thread are embarrassing! Talk about prematurely jumping to all sorts of derogatory conclusions!

verlichte wrote:So Andre Ward is labelled as a "coward" for not attending a promotional obligation to HBO, but Sergey Kovalev receives no criticism whatsoever for doing precisely the same thing the day prior?

. . . verlichtenstein rests his case

Lack of professionalism on Ward's part, but I personally couldn't care less if they never do another one of these stupid off Face Off shows again. Complete waste of time and money. If the Budget spent on these shows gets us even 1 more televised fight a year I'd happily trade these shows away. I don't even watch 'em anymore.

gilgamesh wrote:Lack of professionalism on Ward's part, but I personally couldn't care less if they never do another one of these stupid off Face Off shows again. Complete waste of time and money. If the Budget spent on these shows gets us even 1 more televised fight a year I'd happily trade these shows away. I don't even watch 'em anymore.

I would say that it appears to be a "lack of professionalism" on both teams' parts. But, it probably has worked better promotionally the way it is playing out.

gilgamesh wrote:Lack of professionalism on Ward's part, but I personally couldn't care less if they never do another one of these stupid off Face Off shows again. Complete waste of time and money. If the Budget spent on these shows gets us even 1 more televised fight a year I'd happily trade these shows away. I don't even watch 'em anymore.

Agree except never deny Kovalev the opportunity to call someone a POS on air, especially with such a worthy recipient.

I recall the Haye Klitschko face off back in 2012 being quite entertaining. The Chavez Jr. Martinez one was pretty good too. I'd imagine the Kovalev Ward one would probably have been good considering it would have been predictable with the questions asked and Kovalev's rowdy behavior to sell the fight. Don't think Ward would have been a good dance partner. Just not Ward's style.

From where I sit it's understandable and not a big deal that the face off didn't happen.

Jay Z pays Ward out of his own pocket; the money doesn't come from the event.

Jay Z = Ward's sugar daddy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIoRFt9bkf4

If true, it's poor from Ward. No doubt he'll manage to take the moral high ground over this though, whether he's right or wrong.

verlichte wrote:"What No One Is Asking" (Source: Boxing.com)

On Sunday, Main Events (Sergey Kovalev’s promoter) published a tweet wherein they blatantly labeled Andre Ward a “coward,” while also accusing that he left Las Vegas early purely to “avoid Kovalev.”

This sort of hateful and obnoxious behavior is nothing new from the promoter or their star fighter, and as usual, their social media activity spurred some to immediately jump on the bandwagon and add their voices to Main Events, believing that Ward indeed must have bailed on the taping of HBO’s “Face Off with Max Kellerman.”

However, no one has questioned one very important thing. During the HBO pay-per-view broadcast of the Canelo vs. Chavez Jr. fight on Saturday evening at T-Mobile Arena, Andre Ward spoke with Jim Lampley about the upcoming fight with Kovalev in an interview that was supposed to feature both boxers.

Where was Sergey Kovalev during that broadcast interview? Kovalev had the chance to talk to Ward face-to-face and call him a “coward” there, live, on television for the world to see. Yet he demurred and didn’t show at all. It’s reminiscent of Kovalev’s behavior previously—he has made some outright racist and hateful remarks on social media, yet when face-to-face with Ward in person at the press tour last month, he said nothing.

The bottom line is that one has to wonder if perhaps the reason the filming of “Face Off with Max Kellerman” didn’t occur on Sunday was because Kovalev didn’t show up for the live broadcast interview the evening before.

After all, most people who have been stood up once aren’t liable to wait around to see if it happens again.

This was an interesting article… and if it’s factually-correct, it seems that Kovalev received a “free pass” from fight fans for failing to fulfil an obligation to HBO, which was before the “Face Off with Max Kellerman” interview.

Therefore, it seems that fight fans have applied double-standards. Since Ward and Kovalev have both committed the very same proverbial “crime”, yet one man is praised, whilst the other is abused and heavily-criticised.

Is Sergey Kovalev obliged to attend fights that have nothing to do with him? Ward has frequently worked with/for HBO on their telecasts over the years. It makes sense for him to be there. I don't see how Kovalev's decision not to go to Canelo/Chavez Jr. has anything to do with Ward's decision to swerve the HBO Face Off without telling anybody.

ElJefe wrote:

verlichte wrote:"What No One Is Asking" (Source: Boxing.com)

On Sunday, Main Events (Sergey Kovalev’s promoter) published a tweet wherein they blatantly labeled Andre Ward a “coward,” while also accusing that he left Las Vegas early purely to “avoid Kovalev.”

This sort of hateful and obnoxious behavior is nothing new from the promoter or their star fighter, and as usual, their social media activity spurred some to immediately jump on the bandwagon and add their voices to Main Events, believing that Ward indeed must have bailed on the taping of HBO’s “Face Off with Max Kellerman.”

However, no one has questioned one very important thing. During the HBO pay-per-view broadcast of the Canelo vs. Chavez Jr. fight on Saturday evening at T-Mobile Arena, Andre Ward spoke with Jim Lampley about the upcoming fight with Kovalev in an interview that was supposed to feature both boxers.

Where was Sergey Kovalev during that broadcast interview? Kovalev had the chance to talk to Ward face-to-face and call him a “coward” there, live, on television for the world to see. Yet he demurred and didn’t show at all. It’s reminiscent of Kovalev’s behavior previously—he has made some outright racist and hateful remarks on social media, yet when face-to-face with Ward in person at the press tour last month, he said nothing.

The bottom line is that one has to wonder if perhaps the reason the filming of “Face Off with Max Kellerman” didn’t occur on Sunday was because Kovalev didn’t show up for the live broadcast interview the evening before.

After all, most people who have been stood up once aren’t liable to wait around to see if it happens again.

This was an interesting article… and if it’s factually-correct, it seems that Kovalev received a “free pass” from fight fans for failing to fulfil an obligation to HBO, which was before the “Face Off with Max Kellerman” interview.

Therefore, it seems that fight fans have applied double-standards. Since Ward and Kovalev have both committed the very same proverbial “crime”, yet one man is praised, whilst the other is abused and heavily-criticised.

Is Sergey Kovalev obliged to attend fights that have nothing to do with him? Ward has frequently worked with/for HBO on their telecasts over the years. It makes sense for him to be there. I don't see how Kovalev's decision not to go to Canelo/Chavez Jr. has anything to do with Ward's decision to swerve the HBO Face Off without telling anybody.

Your opinion is wide of the mark.

I have already posted two articles in this thread about this matter - you really need to read them. There's no point in surmising, since you can educate yourself on what actually transpired.

verlichte wrote:

ElJefe wrote:

verlichte wrote:"What No One Is Asking" (Source: Boxing.com)

On Sunday, Main Events (Sergey Kovalev’s promoter) published a tweet wherein they blatantly labeled Andre Ward a “coward,” while also accusing that he left Las Vegas early purely to “avoid Kovalev.”

This sort of hateful and obnoxious behavior is nothing new from the promoter or their star fighter, and as usual, their social media activity spurred some to immediately jump on the bandwagon and add their voices to Main Events, believing that Ward indeed must have bailed on the taping of HBO’s “Face Off with Max Kellerman.”

However, no one has questioned one very important thing. During the HBO pay-per-view broadcast of the Canelo vs. Chavez Jr. fight on Saturday evening at T-Mobile Arena, Andre Ward spoke with Jim Lampley about the upcoming fight with Kovalev in an interview that was supposed to feature both boxers.

Where was Sergey Kovalev during that broadcast interview? Kovalev had the chance to talk to Ward face-to-face and call him a “coward” there, live, on television for the world to see. Yet he demurred and didn’t show at all. It’s reminiscent of Kovalev’s behavior previously—he has made some outright racist and hateful remarks on social media, yet when face-to-face with Ward in person at the press tour last month, he said nothing.

The bottom line is that one has to wonder if perhaps the reason the filming of “Face Off with Max Kellerman” didn’t occur on Sunday was because Kovalev didn’t show up for the live broadcast interview the evening before.

After all, most people who have been stood up once aren’t liable to wait around to see if it happens again.

This was an interesting article… and if it’s factually-correct, it seems that Kovalev received a “free pass” from fight fans for failing to fulfil an obligation to HBO, which was before the “Face Off with Max Kellerman” interview.

Therefore, it seems that fight fans have applied double-standards. Since Ward and Kovalev have both committed the very same proverbial “crime”, yet one man is praised, whilst the other is abused and heavily-criticised.

Is Sergey Kovalev obliged to attend fights that have nothing to do with him? Ward has frequently worked with/for HBO on their telecasts over the years. It makes sense for him to be there. I don't see how Kovalev's decision not to go to Canelo/Chavez Jr. has anything to do with Ward's decision to swerve the HBO Face Off without telling anybody.

Your opinion is wide of the mark.

I have already posted two articles in this thread about this matter - you really need to read them. There's no point in surmising, since you can educate yourself on what actually transpired.

I didn't express an opinion so it's not wide of the mark at all. What we seem to have is the word of "a source" against the words of Main Events and several boxing journalists. I'm not saying one is definitely right and one is definitely wrong, but don't act like you've proven anything.

ElJefe wrote:

verlichte wrote:

ElJefe wrote:
Is Sergey Kovalev obliged to attend fights that have nothing to do with him? Ward has frequently worked with/for HBO on their telecasts over the years. It makes sense for him to be there. I don't see how Kovalev's decision not to go to Canelo/Chavez Jr. has anything to do with Ward's decision to swerve the HBO Face Off without telling anybody.

Your opinion is wide of the mark.

I have already posted two articles in this thread about this matter - you really need to read them. There's no point in surmising, since you can educate yourself on what actually transpired.

I didn't express an opinion so it's not wide of the mark at all. What we seem to have is the word of "a source" against the words of Main Events and several boxing journalists. I'm not saying one is definitely right and one is definitely wrong, but don't act like you've proven anything.

I have proven that there are two sides to every story. I have also proven multiple times that Kathy Duva makes hypocritical and incorrect claims.

Kovalev and Ward have both failed to fulfil their obligations to HBO, but only one of them is publicly criticised for this.

Your decision to believe one set of journalists, whilst dismissing the claims of others, simply illustrates a point I previously laboured over in this thread.

You don't know that the informal ringside interview was their obligation.