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GrassrootsMatt wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 09:32 Surely Fury has the best resume in the division?

Paci wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 09:56

GrassrootsMatt wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 09:32 Surely Fury has the best resume in the division?

Not yet.
But soon enough, but then again having loads of money and no real challangers around other then that bodybuilderbum AJ, who is holding his old trinkets warm for Fury's sake. Im going with that more his resume gonna be loaded if, their is any worth bums to put up a fight and will part of his charity since they gonna get payed for all the beatings.

Maybe Wilder. Only worthy bum around other then that Hearns hypejob with muscles. Or maybe bummy Ruiz if he stops being a latinodiva and gets his focus back.

candyslim wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 12:19

Paci wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 09:56

Not yet.
But soon enough, but then again having loads of money and no real challangers around other then that bodybuilderbum AJ, who is holding his old trinkets warm for Fury's sake. Im going with that more his resume gonna be loaded if, their is any worth bums to put up a fight and will part of his charity since they gonna get payed for all the beatings.

Maybe Wilder. Only worthy bum around other then that Hearns hypejob with muscles. Or maybe bummy Ruiz if he stops being a latinodiva and gets his focus back.

I wouldn't be so quick to write off Joshua if I were you. He isn't an unschooled boxer with a freakishly powerful right hand and little else going for him. Joshua still has power, maybe not as much as Wilder, but he has a better delivery system.

He can box, he can cut the ring off, and if he finds Fury's head too elusive a target, he will target Fury's midriff instead. I'm not saying Joshua wins because Fury is also a heavyweight of genuine quality, but only a fool would dismiss the chances of either of them winning.

If that sounds like I'm fence-sitting I guess I am, but if you forced me to predict a winner I'd probably go for Joshua. Wilder came unstuck the first time he faced an elite fighter in prime condition. It might have happened earlier if his team hadn't been so protective of him. All I'm saying is while it was an excellent performance for which Fury deserves high praise, we shouldn't consider Fury unbeatable on the strength of his handing Wilder a beating.

candyslim wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 11:34 I'd say Whyte's overall resumé is arguably better than Parker's and since their head-to-head there's no comparison.

Leaving aside their fight against each other and their loss to Joshua, Parker has wins over Ruiz, Takam, Fury-light and Dimitrenko compared to Whyte's: Rivas, Chisora, Helenius, Wach and Browne (* who was at that time undefeated and regarded as a genuine 50/50 or 60/40 at worst)

Ruiz > Rivas
Fury = Chisora
Takam = Browne*
Dimitrenko < Helenius
Haumono < Wach

Ok its inconclusive overall.

Paci wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 13:33

candyslim wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 11:34 I'd say Whyte's overall resumé is arguably better than Parker's and since their head-to-head there's no comparison.

Leaving aside their fight against each other and their loss to Joshua, Parker has wins over Ruiz, Takam, Fury-light and Dimitrenko compared to Whyte's: Rivas, Chisora, Helenius, Wach and Browne (* who was at that time undefeated and regarded as a genuine 50/50 or 60/40 at worst)

Ruiz > Rivas
Fury = Chisora
Takam = Browne*
Dimitrenko < Helenius
Haumono < Wach

Ok its inconclusive overall.

Whyte has one of the best records among the current top 10. I do have a feeling he would be a good pick for Wilder to get more legit among the champs back when he was running around as the nr1 for how many years when Wilder was champ? 2 or 3 years?
Also he whooped Parker by decision among other things. Just adding the names. Like a modern Ken Norton.

gregregegg wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 20:39

Paci wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 13:33

Whyte has one of the best records among the current top 10. I do have a feeling he would be a good pick for Wilder to get more legit among the champs back when he was running around as the nr1 for how many years when Wilder was champ? 2 or 3 years?
Also he whooped Parker by decision among other things. Just adding the names. Like a modern Ken Norton.

Whooped parker? looked outclassed till a headclash wrongly called a knockdown, Then won some rounds against a hurt parker, then parker came back to go within an inch of stopping him. Thats hardly a whooping...

Even If you ignore the effects of parker being hurt in the rounds following the headclash, if you scored it as a Headclash rather than a kncokdown, then paker won that round, and would of got a Draw on the scorecards. Thats ignoring the fact it clearly hurt him and effected him in the folowing rounds. Hard to use that fight as evidence that whyte is better than parker.

But whytes resume is stacked and he dose deserve a title shot.

Paci wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 13:33[Whyte] whooped Parker by decision among other things. Just adding the names.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 May 2020, 06:33

Paci wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 13:33[Whyte] whooped Parker by decision among other things. Just adding the names.

In my mind, a clash of heads during the second round might have assisted the Brit to win the vast majority of the rounds from the 2nd until the 10th.

The Kiwi clearly won the first, fourth, eleventh & twelfth rounds.

Parker admits to being deaf in one ear due to one of Whyte’s left hooks and also believes the 'The Body Snatcher' was the biggest puncher and physically strongest opponent he’s ever faced. He even admits to Whyte being “the better man on that day.”

Anyway, Dillian Whyte legitimately defeated Joseph Parker, in what was definitely a close fight that could have even been scored a draw.

In my mind, it was the Brit’s career-best win and he definitely didn’t “whoop” Parker.

Paci wrote: ↑11 May 2020, 06:46This fights makes AJ look even better. He had no problems with Parker when he was on the outside and dancing around him.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 May 2020, 07:22

Paci wrote: ↑11 May 2020, 06:46This fights makes AJ look even better. He had no problems with Parker when he was on the outside and dancing around him.

As the old adage goes, ‘Styles Makes Fights’.

Fights often have a different narrative depending on whether a fighter chooses to box or brawl against an opponent.

For instance: just because fighter A beats opponent B, but loses against fighter C, we shouldn’t automatically assume that B would definitely be beaten by C.

Dillian Whyte tried to overpower and rough up Parker, whereas AJ employed a completely different gameplan. It's not an "apples to apples" comparison.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 May 2020, 04:15 I would rate Chis clearly above Hughie personally, granted Hughie did beat mighty Sam Sexton, about a decade after Chis already stopped him twice

Paci wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 13:15

candyslim wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 12:19

I wouldn't be so quick to write off Joshua if I were you. He isn't an unschooled boxer with a freakishly powerful right hand and little else going for him. Joshua still has power, maybe not as much as Wilder, but he has a better delivery system.

He can box, he can cut the ring off, and if he finds Fury's head too elusive a target, he will target Fury's midriff instead. I'm not saying Joshua wins because Fury is also a heavyweight of genuine quality, but only a fool would dismiss the chances of either of them winning.

If that sounds like I'm fence-sitting I guess I am, but if you forced me to predict a winner I'd probably go for Joshua. Wilder came unstuck the first time he faced an elite fighter in prime condition. It might have happened earlier if his team hadn't been so protective of him. All I'm saying is while it was an excellent performance for which Fury deserves high praise, we shouldn't consider Fury unbeatable on the strength of his handing Wilder a beating.

I whent full fanboy in that post. Mind you. But Im a fan of all them guys. Still Fury is my nr.1 guy.

In reality I hope that the fights get made and we get a Fury-Jousha fight. Since, well both guys are after all trinkets. And AJ dreams to take Fury's lineal claim makes it better.
Did like that AJ getting the better out of Wlad, so yeah. I can't say his skillset is lacking, mist be the second best to Fury in my head. Making him one of real and legit powerplayer now and having a huge fanbase with all that money makes him a target for all the guys. And outboxing Ruiz and coming back from a heavy loss like that, is kudos.

I think Fury will beat him, but saying it is an easy night or walk in park... well, no. AJ is AJ and the guy has gone after anyone that has relevans(Parker among others) and right now longing for a show down. From what I have seen in the talks around Hearns and him about Fury. Being objective Im not being a douche, but Im quite sure that picking AJ ain't wrong. He is the second best and do need to be on his A+ game or rise above it. Then again AJ is a clever bastard in the ring, I agree.

Really, if it happens. It gonna be a classic for this era. I think Fury wins, but that is what fandorks do. Still a fanboy of AJ also, strange enough.

candyslim wrote: ↑11 May 2020, 14:17 That's better Paci. Now you're making good sense again following your short break

Paci wrote: ↑11 May 2020, 14:47

candyslim wrote: ↑11 May 2020, 14:17 That's better Paci. Now you're making good sense again following your short break

It is funnier being locco

candyslim wrote: ↑12 May 2020, 01:53

Paci wrote: ↑11 May 2020, 14:47

It is funnier being locco

Much more of this Corona virus lockdown and we'll all be loco

candyslim wrote: ↑11 May 2020, 14:04

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 May 2020, 04:15 I would rate Chis clearly above Hughie personally, granted Hughie did beat mighty Sam Sexton, about a decade after Chis already stopped him twice

Fair enough but Fury could have been awarded a win over Parker even if he was on his bike almost exclusively. In pure boxing terms i.e. punches landed - forget who's making the fight and on the front foot. If you saw team Parker awaiting the verdict it's clear they were expecting the decision to go Hughie's way.

I wouldn't argue your preference for Delboy but I think you can make a case for either. Both acquit themselves well against high level opposition without actually beating them, and in a head-to-head Hughie is just the type Delboy has trouble with.

Actually that's a fight I'd quite like to see.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑12 May 2020, 21:21

candyslim wrote: ↑11 May 2020, 14:04

Fair enough but Fury could have been awarded a win over Parker even if he was on his bike almost exclusively. In pure boxing terms i.e. punches landed - forget who's making the fight and on the front foot. If you saw team Parker awaiting the verdict it's clear they were expecting the decision to go Hughie's way.

I wouldn't argue your preference for Delboy but I think you can make a case for either. Both acquit themselves well against high level opposition without actually beating them, and in a head-to-head Hughie is just the type Delboy has trouble with.

Actually that's a fight I'd quite like to see.

Chisora could also have a win over Whyte if we are going that route, not to mention the rest of his actual resume which is very superior to Hughie's. I mean one of Hughie's standout wins is over a guy Del already KO'd twice like 10 years ago lol.

Hughie is a master of jabbing the air and boring the fans, I'll give you that. He'd probably do that on his way to losing another decision if he faced Delster.

Hughie is roughly a top 20-25 fighter for me, I'd prob have Del around the lower top 10-12 area