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Ricky_ wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:13

Tony1244 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2017, 17:02 If you like him and thought he deserved nod in 1st fight: great

If you think he's P4P in top 10 now, you're reaching.

If you think he won the 2nd Ward fight, you're delusional.

If you can name 10 better active fighters than Sergey Kovalev, you're delusional.

I stand by my first and third sentence. Perhaps I could have written if you still think he's #1 P4P you're reaching.

P4P lists are highly subjective and really don't exist in the real world.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:17

Ricky_ wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:13

Tony1244 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2017, 17:02 If you like him and thought he deserved nod in 1st fight: great

If you think he's P4P in top 10 now, you're reaching.

If you think he won the 2nd Ward fight, you're delusional.

If you can name 10 better active fighters than Sergey Kovalev, you're delusional.

I stand by my first and third sentence. Perhaps I could have written if you still think he's #1 P4P you're reaching.

P4P lists are highly subjective and really don't exist in the real world.

You're contradicting yourself. Agreed that p4p is silly, kovalev #1 wouldn't be outlandish.though nobody has him there.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:30

Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:17

Ricky_ wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:13

If you can name 10 better active fighters than Sergey Kovalev, you're delusional.

I stand by my first and third sentence. Perhaps I could have written if you still think he's #1 P4P you're reaching.

P4P lists are highly subjective and really don't exist in the real world.

You're contradicting yourself. Agreed that p4p is silly, kovalev #1 wouldn't be outlandish.though nobody has him there.

People who are of the (flawed) opinion that he should have been awarded both fights should have him at #1, in order to consummate their delusion.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:30

Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:17

Ricky_ wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:13

If you can name 10 better active fighters than Sergey Kovalev, you're delusional.

I stand by my first and third sentence. Perhaps I could have written if you still think he's #1 P4P you're reaching.

P4P lists are highly subjective and really don't exist in the real world.

You're contradicting yourself. Agreed that p4p is silly, kovalev #1 wouldn't be outlandish.though nobody has him there.

I'm not going to backtrack completely. It wouldn't be outlandish like having Joe Parker #1. But there are too many excellent undefeated guys who didn't lose 2 out of 3 of their last fights. We agree, virtually no one has him there.

Tanzio wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:33

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:30

Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:17

I stand by my first and third sentence. Perhaps I could have written if you still think he's #1 P4P you're reaching.

P4P lists are highly subjective and really don't exist in the real world.

You're contradicting yourself. Agreed that p4p is silly, kovalev #1 wouldn't be outlandish.though nobody has him there.

People who are of the (flawed) opinion that he should have been awarded both fights should have him at #1, in order to consummate their delusion.

People that thought he lost both fights and ward was #1 could have him #1. He definitely deserved the first fight, unlike you, I'm long over it.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:38

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:30

Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:17

I stand by my first and third sentence. Perhaps I could have written if you still think he's #1 P4P you're reaching.

P4P lists are highly subjective and really don't exist in the real world.

You're contradicting yourself. Agreed that p4p is silly, kovalev #1 wouldn't be outlandish.though nobody has him there.

I'm not going to backtrack completely. It wouldn't be outlandish like having Joe Parker #1. But there are too many excellent undefeated guys who didn't lose 2 out of 3 of their last fights. We agree, virtually no one has him there.

Undefeated means nothing.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:40

Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:38

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:30

You're contradicting yourself. Agreed that p4p is silly, kovalev #1 wouldn't be outlandish.though nobody has him there.

I'm not going to backtrack completely. It wouldn't be outlandish like having Joe Parker #1. But there are too many excellent undefeated guys who didn't lose 2 out of 3 of their last fights. We agree, virtually no one has him there.

Undefeated means nothing.

Yeah, I'm not talking about Tom Schwarz or Parker as I alluded to. I'm talking about people like Crawford. I almost wrote Lomachennko but realized he lost his 2nd fight, which I guess was your point because he's a prospect for this nebulous list.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:46

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:40

Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:38

I'm not going to backtrack completely. It wouldn't be outlandish like having Joe Parker #1. But there are too many excellent undefeated guys who didn't lose 2 out of 3 of their last fights. We agree, virtually no one has him there.

Undefeated means nothing.

Yeah, I'm not talking about Tom Schwarz or Parker as I alluded to. I'm talking about people like Crawford. I almost wrote Lomachennko but realized he lost his 2nd fight, which I guess was your point because he's a prospect for this nebulous list.

I think Crawford is the best, I might have kovalev over lomachenko.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:39

Tanzio wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:33

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:30

You're contradicting yourself. Agreed that p4p is silly, kovalev #1 wouldn't be outlandish.though nobody has him there.

People who are of the (flawed) opinion that he should have been awarded both fights should have him at #1, in order to consummate their delusion.

People that thought he lost both fights and ward was #1 could have him #1. He definitely deserved the first fight, unlike you, I'm long over it.

I am as over it as you are, but as you just did, I will continue to voice my opinion that SOGgy won the first fight close. But, unlike you, I was not drunk.

I still have him top five even with the two losses.

Yeah, I talk about it as often as you do. though I did take your very transparent and desperate bait. That's on me.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑29 Nov 2017, 12:51 Yeah, I talk about it as often as you do. though I did take your very transparent and desperate bait. That's on me.

I enjoy watching him a lot. Mean fighter who's always looking to get the KO win. I like fighters like that.

I see Kovalev as having 2 good years of top level fights in him. Even if he loses some speed, his experience will help keep him at the top.
I hope he does retire within the next two years. The only thing he hasn't done is fight Chickenson, other than that, there is nothing he need prove.