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Aside from Dave Allen who gave him a decent workout and took his lumps like the warrior he is, when have you known Luis Ortiz to say anything complementary about any opponent or potential opponent?

I have great respect for the fighter Luis Ortiz has been, but rightly or wrongly he feels very hard done by and he doesn't have a lot of time for any champion who isn't tripping over his own feet in his rush to defend against Luis Ortiz.

The inescapable fact is that he had a guaranteed WBA mandatory title fight with Joshua in the Spring but for no fault of Joshua's that ship has sailed.

IronFrost wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 07:46 PEDvetkin could not hurt bums like Hammer or Rudenko lmao Those guys are 40 levels behind Anthony Joshua.


Also Joshua unlike Povetkin KNOCKED THE eff OUT Grabomir The Boring Doctor Clinschko.


Povetkin got knocked down by a jab in 2nd round.

Overrated small bum


Eastern Europe fighters are not even close to be on British level of BOXING.

"PEDvetkin"

"bums"

"40 levels behind"

"KNOCKED THE eff OUT"

"Overrated small bum"

"Eastern Europe fighters are not even close to be on British level of BOXING."



Stupid posts like this annoy me.

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 04:15 I fully get that Joshua's a cash cow, everyone wants a slice of the pie, and nobody wants to upset the apple cart, but UKAD and the BBBC aren't going to look the other way and give him a free pass. I'm not suggesting the UK is free from corruption, but we have a better record than most. When was the last time a visiting fighter was derailed in the UK by a suspect and possibly politically motivated drug test failure?

I'm on record here, and mightily pissed off our US contingent, by suggesting that Povetkin was stitched up in an effort to protect Wilder, and maybe Ortiz was too (although he should have declared his meds) Now the fight got cancelled, job done, no need to punish Ortiz any further. I'll look pretty silly if the Ortiz fight goes ahead but I'm skeptical. I mention this to show I'm not anti-Povetkin, I call things as I see them and I try always to be fair. I may come up a little short as regards Joshua - I am a bit of a fanboy I'm afraid.

Last point Joshua's drug conviction - very foolish, not at all impressive, but he was done for possession and intent to supply cannabis, he's hardly Pablo Escobar is he?

No, brother, he's not Pablo Escobar, but he's not little miss innocent either, nabbed with a few marijuana cigarettes. He had a pretty long criminal record, and, with no honest means of income, was pulled over at the time speeding in a Mercedes Benz, yes? Not as bad as another one of your heavyweight stars or former stars, what they tenderly call "Del Boy", who has a very long and violent criminal record in both Africa and the country he now infests, for armed robbery etc., nicely covered up by the controlled media.

Compared with the mob run action in Las Vegas I allow that you guys are virtual Mother Theresas , little faux pas like all of David Haye's foney fights notwithstanding. That wink and a nod thing with his pal Harrison and the two silly comeback fight dives were rather humorous actually, but then boxing is crooked all over, but OC's Sin City, as they bill themselves, built up in the Mojave for the sole purpose of fleecing the suckers, home of Doc Margaret Goodman and her NeVADA drug testing scam, takes the cake!

Arnold Schwarzenegger Never took steroids either and nor did Joshua . Pure haters would think they did.

I'm rather pleased AJ and Delboy aren't "Little miss innocent" as you put it. A top fighter needs a mean side to him or he's not going to get anywhere.

Boxing has a long history of guys on the wrong path who turned their life around it's something the sport can be proud of when the fingers get pointed.

Grailer wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 14:46 Arnold Schwarzenegger Never took steroids either and nor did Joshua . Pure haters would think they did.

Arnold is on record as admitting to years of steroid use

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 22:18

Grailer wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 14:46 Arnold Schwarzenegger Never took steroids either and nor did Joshua . Pure haters would think they did.

Arnold is on record as admitting to years of steroid use

I think he knows that and was being ironic.

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 15:18 I'm rather pleased AJ and Delboy aren't "Little miss innocent" as you put it. A top fighter needs a mean side to him or he's not going to get anywhere.

Boxing has a long history of guys on the wrong path who turned their life around it's something the sport can be proud of when the fingers get pointed.

OK, fair enough, point taken.

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Grailer wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 14:46 Arnold Schwarzenegger Never took steroids either and nor did Joshua . Pure haters would think they did.

FO... You know damned well Arnold admitted taking steroids because they were legal during his day The (60's and 70's) for all athletes... When they found out how much long term damage they did to the human body they started banning steroids, human growth hormones, synthetic testosterone, and other items that are bought on the black market to enhance athletic performance... It kind of funny that nearly all Olympic and World Records set by steroid users in the 60's and 70's have been shattered by clean athletes who wouldn't even consider taking PED's... That proves PEDs aren't needed or wanted by honest athletes.

last year they banned Meldonium, an over the counter product you can buy like aspirin that has no side effects... Like aspirin it helps with blood flow and has been legal for over 30 years... Repeatedly it has been ruled okay to use and not a PED... The only reason it's been banned is it's manufactured by an Eastern European country.

Turn your hate on Roy Jones, James Toney, Lamont Peterson, Andre Berto, Floyd Mayweather, Fernando Vargas, Bermane Stiverne, Antonio Tarver, Dillian Whyte, and other athletes caught using PEDs .... and stop accusing the innocent.

Kalan wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 02:11 [

Grailer wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 14:46 Arnold Schwarzenegger Never took steroids either and nor did Joshua . Pure haters would think they did.

FO... You know damned well Arnold admitted taking steroids because they were legal during his day The (60's and 70's) for all athletes... When they found out how much long term damage they did to the human body they started banning steroids, human growth hormones, synthetic testosterone, and other items that are bought on the black market to enhance athletic performance... It kind of funny that nearly all Olympic and World Records set by steroid users in the 60's and 70's have been shattered by clean athletes who wouldn't even consider taking PED's... That proves PEDs aren't needed or wanted by honest athletes.

last year they banned Meldonium, an over the counter product you can buy like aspirin that has no side effects... Like aspirin it helps with blood flow and has been legal for over 30 years... Repeatedly it has been ruled okay to use and not a PED... The only reason it's been banned is it's manufactured by an Eastern European country.

Turn your hate on Roy Jones, James Toney, Lamont Peterson, Andre Berto, Floyd Mayweather, Fernando Vargas, Bermane Stiverne, Antonio Tarver, Dillian Whyte, and other athletes caught using PEDs .... and stop accusing the innocent.

PedVetkin is innocent like USA army in Afganistan Stop this comedy please. Why Kovalev or Golovkin never failed any tests? Only that roided head Povetkin? Pathetic excuses for steroid abuser Povetkin who can not knock out bums like Hammer without any roids

x2x wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 23:41

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 15:18 I'm rather pleased AJ and Delboy aren't "Little miss innocent" as you put it. A top fighter needs a mean side to him or he's not going to get anywhere.

Boxing has a long history of guys on the wrong path who turned their life around it's something the sport can be proud of when the fingers get pointed.

OK, fair enough, point taken.

Fair play x2x. That's not the kind of comment you see too often on this forum

candyslim wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 07:31

x2x wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 23:41

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 15:18 I'm rather pleased AJ and Delboy aren't "Little miss innocent" as you put it. A top fighter needs a mean side to him or he's not going to get anywhere.

Boxing has a long history of guys on the wrong path who turned their life around it's something the sport can be proud of when the fingers get pointed.

OK, fair enough, point taken.

Fair play x2x. That's not the kind of comment you see too often on this forum

Thanks, Candy. Though of course we don't agree on everything you sound like a fair guy too.

IronFrost wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 03:11
PedVetkin is innocent like ...

Hey, everybody in the whole world can't be as pure and innocent as Drugshua and Wildroid !

IronFrost wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 03:11

Kalan wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 02:11 [

Grailer wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 14:46 Arnold Schwarzenegger Never took steroids either and nor did Joshua . Pure haters would think they did.

FO... You know damned well Arnold admitted taking steroids because they were legal during his day The (60's and 70's) for all athletes... When they found out how much long term damage they did to the human body they started banning steroids, human growth hormones, synthetic testosterone, and other items that are bought on the black market to enhance athletic performance... It kind of funny that nearly all Olympic and World Records set by steroid users in the 60's and 70's have been shattered by clean athletes who wouldn't even consider taking PED's... That proves PEDs aren't needed or wanted by honest athletes.

last year they banned Meldonium, an over the counter product you can buy like aspirin that has no side effects... Like aspirin it helps with blood flow and has been legal for over 30 years... Repeatedly it has been ruled okay to use and not a PED... The only reason it's been banned is it's manufactured by an Eastern European country.

Turn your hate on Roy Jones, James Toney, Lamont Peterson, Andre Berto, Floyd Mayweather, Fernando Vargas, Bermane Stiverne, Antonio Tarver, Dillian Whyte, and other athletes caught using PEDs .... and stop accusing the innocent.

PedVetkin is innocent like USA army in Afganistan Stop this comedy please. Why Kovalev or Golovkin never failed any tests? Only that roided head Povetkin? Pathetic excuses for steroid abuser Povetkin who can not knock out bums like Hammer without any roids

You're so ignorant it's pathetic.... I'll write you a million dollar check if you can show me when Povetkin EVER tested positive for any steroid.... I can't believe how the totally oblivious and uninformed come on this site and throw shitt at fighters and make false statements about anybody from Eastern Europe or anybody else they hate... Maybe you're on roids because they certainly effected your ability to think and you're having roid rage.

Povetkin tested for 70 nanograms of Meldonium for the Wilder fight, an over-the-counter product that was banned last year so there was still residual allowable mounts in athletes who took it in 2015… 70 nanograms was 1/15th the allowable trace amount… The fight wasn't cancelled because Povetkin failed any test. The WBC cancelled the fight to “investigate" why he would test for a nanogram after testing clear... That's the most moronic crap I've ever heard... It's the same reason you pee more yellow at one time and more clear at another time -- cuz you're less hydrated.

The WBC's drawn out "investigation" proved Povetkin took no illegal substances, but they moved Stiverne in front of him anyway because the WBC is a private and very corrupt org who can do anything they please.. Stiverne tested positive for PEDs and the WBC let him slide, making a ton of excuses for him... They also promised Stiverne a #1 ranking and future fight with Wilder if he paid them a “fine” and made an additional “contribution” to the “clean boxing program” which is something they made up to get more fees and "contributions."

Then 24 hours before the Povetkin-Stiverne fight VADA announces a test for 1/10th of a nanogram of Ostarine in Povetkin, a trace amount so small that it couldn’t have any athletic effect on a cricket... VADA is also a private, very corrupt, for profit business and can make any decisions they want... They eliminated their maximum trace amount for Ostarine and claimed any amount was illegal... Povetkin never took Ostarine and other testing agencies who tested Povetkin at the same time found nothing. However 1/10th of a nanogram is an amount so low it might show up in one of a thousand tests so they can’t prove VADA lied. The general ignorance of the public allows this kind of targeting and corruption to flourish... For idiots, Ostarine is also not a steroid.

You're wasting your time Kalan. This guy is a keyboard warrior that forms an opinion and then expresses it loudly and belligerently like it's the word of God, with zero chance of him ever questioning his shallow conclusions.

I'd be surprised if he read your post nevermind understood it.

candyslim wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 16:44 You're wasting your time Kalan. This guy is a keyboard warrior that forms an opinion and then expresses it loudly and belligerently like it's the word of God, with zero chance of him ever questioning his shallow conclusions.

I'd be surprised if he read your post nevermind understood it.

I'm surprised that you think Kalan is any better of a poster than this IronFrost guy.

Kalan thinks that Anthony Joshua is the best Heavyweight of all time, and thinks that Wilt Chamberlain would've beaten Ali.

candyslim wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 16:44 You're wasting your time Kalan. This guy is a keyboard warrior that forms an opinion and then expresses it loudly and belligerently like it's the word of God, with zero chance of him ever questioning his shallow conclusions.

I'd be surprised if he read your post nevermind understood it.

Yep.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 17:10

candyslim wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 16:44 You're wasting your time Kalan. This guy is a keyboard warrior that forms an opinion and then expresses it loudly and belligerently like it's the word of God, with zero chance of him ever questioning his shallow conclusions.

I'd be surprised if he read your post nevermind understood it.

I'm surprised that you think Kalan is any better of a poster than this IronFrost guy.

Kalan thinks that Anthony Joshua is the best Heavyweight of all time, and thinks that Wilt Chamberlain would've beaten Ali.

Big thread on that:

viewtopic.php?t=200617

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 17:10

candyslim wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 16:44 You're wasting your time Kalan. This guy is a keyboard warrior that forms an opinion and then expresses it loudly and belligerently like it's the word of God, with zero chance of him ever questioning his shallow conclusions.

I'd be surprised if he read your post nevermind understood it.

I'm surprised that you think Kalan is any better of a poster than this IronFrost guy.

Kalan thinks that Anthony Joshua is the best Heavyweight of all time, and thinks that Wilt Chamberlain would've beaten Ali.

Kalan is an original thinker that's for sure, but that's one of the things I like about him. I'm not going to defend his position on Wilt Chamberlain which does sound extraordinary to put it mildly, but I'm often impressed by his posts and that can't be said for my young compatriot (At least I hope he's young - God forbid he's a grown up)

I just read that thread (which I previously hadn't known existed) and I have to say although I think the idea that Chamberlain could have beaten Ali as a boxing debutant is preposterous and disrespectful, I still give kalan credit for the way he makes his case.

I reckon he could put forward the proposition that Taishan Dong will eventually prove to be the greatest heavyweight the world has ever seen, and at least make it seem vaguely plausible.

x2x wrote: ↑18 Dec 2017, 13:43 ...and Wilder should stay very far away!

Povetkin will get inside and make short work of the pumped up steroid dopers Joshua and Wilder. He will just have to be careful not to be hit by a lucky punch.

If Fury does manage to get in shape and come back, Povetkin vs Fury will be an interesting fight in a year or two.

pinch yourself from your horrible dream

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 17:10

candyslim wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 16:44 You're wasting your time Kalan. This guy is a keyboard warrior that forms an opinion and then expresses it loudly and belligerently like it's the word of God, with zero chance of him ever questioning his shallow conclusions.

I'd be surprised if he read your post nevermind understood it.

I'm surprised that you think Kalan is any better of a poster than this IronFrost guy.

Kalan thinks that Anthony Joshua is the best Heavyweight of all time, and thinks that Wilt Chamberlain would've beaten Ali.

Joshua IS the best Heavyweight so far... and it's EXTREMELY EVIDENT that Ali TOLD Chamberlain on national television "I accept your challenge... As soon as I fight a few more contenders IF I beat them." .... IF he beats a few more contenders LOL.. They were supposed to fight in 6 months...because the next Basketball season would start if they didn't and Chamberlain needed that much time to learn the sport of Boxing... He had Cus D'Amato, other trainers and camp ready to go.

Here's Ali REFUSING to sign the contract.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Wilt got tired of doing promotions and Dog & Pony Shows with no signature from Ali on the negotiated contract... That's why he asked for Ali's signature in front of a large TV viewing audience... He wanted to put pressure on Ali.... Wilt was a businessman and knew Chamberlain-Ali was BIG BIG BIG business ... But not unless the fight came off.

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Dec 2017, 16:22 Alexander Povetkin is a great Heavyweight -- but he couldn't win a round from Wladimir Klitschko in his prime... The only point AP got in that fight, was awarded to him to make Wladimir stop grabbing, wrestling, holding and throwing the smaller Povetkin to the canvas and basically manhandling him... Whenever Povetkin got close enough to clout his taller, longer, and stronger opponent he got locked up tight... and couldn't get many good hits on Wladimir...

He needed a KO to win and didn't have a prayer in Hell -- but Joshua knocked Wlad down 3 X and blew him away.

Joshua doesn't take steroids or PED's of any kind and never has... He has specialists in his camp whose job it is to make sure he doesn't accidentally absorb anything that's illegal... When you're making 10's of millions of dollars a year, you can't afford to accidentally ingest one of the hundreds of substances currently on the banned list and sit out like Dillian Whyte and other dumb shitts who absorbed something illegal from their nasal decongestant or whatever.

AJ will be a massive favorite over Povetkin -- who doesn't appear to be aging as well as Klitschko... He's tailing way off since he turned 38... Wladimir butchered Pulev at 38 and looked better than ever... At 39 Wlad started going down.

Alexander Povetkin is one of my favorite heavyweight boxers of all time to watch. He is definitely my current favorite and I would prefer watching him over any heavyweight today, including over Anthony Joshua (who I'm not even the biggest fan of in the first place).

However, as much as it pains me to say this, Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua is a mismatch in favor of Joshua and against Povetkin. Anthony Joshua unfortunately outmatches Alexander Povetkin in physical size, in muscular size, in physical strength and possibly in punching power and physical durability too. And Alexander Povetkin is pretty much helpless, as a small little prey like a mouse would be when confronted by a big predator like a lion or a tiger.

Contrary to popular belief, Anthony Joshua's punch resistance isn't as suspect as many commonly tend to think. It may have been before. But now, in addition to him growing in age and probably in addition to him consuming performance enhancing drugs (which I don't have a problem with in the 21st century). Anthony Joshua's punch resistance is much better now than before and I doubt Alexander Povetkin even possesses the punching power and physical strength required to KO Anthony Joshua, even with his best punches.

Now Wladimir Klitschko clearly has greater punching power than Alexander Povetkin. And although he managed to drop Anthony Joshua once with a single right hand, he found it difficult to finish Joshua off for the knockout and Anthony Joshua did manage to get up from the knockdown immediately and managed to absorb some other power punches that Wladimir Klitschko landed pretty well. Proving that he was able to absorb some of Wladimir Klitschko's power punches.

I doubt anybody really believes that a 6 foot 1, pudgy and chubby blown up light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin has greater punching power than the likes of Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Wladimir Klitschko and perhaps even Tyson Fury whom are all relative giants that stand above 6 foot 4 inches in height and weigh over 230 pounds with over 80 inches of reach. Such a thing isn't even usual either! It's very unusual!

Alexander Povetkin's knockouts, mainly come from his amazing offensive skills. Such as his accuracy, his timing, his ability to set up his punches and etc. Rather than just raw punching power or force.

I'd love to see Alexander Povetkin in competitive bouts against opponents his own / close to his own size. Such as against the likes of David Haye, Oleksandr Usyk, Mairis Brieidis, Murat Gassiev and etc. However, as someone who happens to be a 6 foot 1, blown up light heavyweight, he doesn't stand much of a chance at winning against a REAL super heavyweight like Anthony Joshua. Thus, he doesn't even deserve to belong in the same ring with Anthony Joshua as an opponent. And there's no shame in that because I don't think any boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 in history would've ever been favorite to beat Anthony Joshua.

If this bout ever took place. I think Anthony Joshua would simply squeeze Alexander Povetkin to death like a huge bear. Or simply squash him until his body / corpse is splattered all over the ring until he leaves as the final remnant of the Klitschko era.

An utter mismatch unfortunately for my boy and I don't want to see him badly hurt.

x2x wrote: ↑18 Dec 2017, 13:43 ...and Wilder should stay very far away!

Povetkin will get inside and make short work of the pumped up steroid dopers Joshua and Wilder. He will just have to be careful not to be hit by a lucky punch.

If Fury does manage to get in shape and come back, Povetkin vs Fury will be an interesting fight in a year or two.

Alexander Povetkin is one of my favorite heavyweight boxers of all time to watch. He is definitely my current favorite and I would prefer watching him over any heavyweight today, including over Anthony Joshua (who I'm not even the biggest fan of in the first place).

However, as much as it pains me to say this, Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua is a mismatch in favor of Joshua and against Povetkin. Anthony Joshua unfortunately outmatches Alexander Povetkin in physical size, in muscular size, in physical strength and possibly in punching power and physical durability too. And Alexander Povetkin is pretty much helpless, as a small little prey like a mouse would be when confronted by a big predator like a lion or a tiger.

Contrary to popular belief, Anthony Joshua's punch resistance isn't as suspect as many commonly tend to think. It may have been before. But now, in addition to him growing in age and probably in addition to him consuming performance enhancing drugs (which I don't have a problem with in the 21st century). Anthony Joshua's punch resistance is much better now than before and I doubt Alexander Povetkin even possesses the punching power and physical strength required to KO Anthony Joshua, even with his best punches.

Now Wladimir Klitschko clearly has greater punching power than Alexander Povetkin. And although he managed to drop Anthony Joshua once with a single right hand, he found it difficult to finish Joshua off for the knockout and Anthony Joshua did manage to get up from the knockdown immediately and managed to absorb some other power punches that Wladimir Klitschko landed pretty well. Proving that he was able to absorb some of Wladimir Klitschko's power punches.

I doubt anybody really believes that a 6 foot 1, pudgy and chubby blown up light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin has greater punching power than the likes of Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Wladimir Klitschko and perhaps even Tyson Fury whom are all relative giants that stand above 6 foot 4 inches in height and weigh over 230 pounds with over 80 inches of reach. Such a thing isn't even usual either! It's very unusual!

Alexander Povetkin's knockouts, mainly come from his amazing offensive skills. Such as his accuracy, his timing, his ability to set up his punches and etc. Rather than just raw punching power or force.

I'd love to see Alexander Povetkin in competitive bouts against opponents his own / close to his own size. Such as against the likes of David Haye, Oleksandr Usyk, Mairis Brieidis, Murat Gassiev and etc. However, as someone who happens to be a 6 foot 1, blown up light heavyweight, he doesn't stand much of a chance at winning against a REAL super heavyweight like Anthony Joshua. Thus, he doesn't even deserve to belong in the same ring with Anthony Joshua as an opponent. And there's no shame in that because I don't think any boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 in history would've ever been favorite to beat Anthony Joshua.

If this bout ever took place. I think Anthony Joshua would simply squeeze Alexander Povetkin to death like a huge bear. Or simply squash him until his body / corpse is splattered all over the ring until he leaves as the final remnant of the Klitschko era.

An utter mismatch unfortunately for my boy and I don't want to see him badly hurt.

I agree with some of the things that you said, LF, except I think Povetkin has a very good shot at beating Joshua. I think he is far more skillful.

But as I keep saying boxing very much needs a super heavyweight division. Whereas the lighter weight classes are seperated by a ridiculous 3 pounds or so, and even light heavyweight now is only 15 pounds in parameter, and super middleweight a ridiculous 7 pounds, men weighing just over 200 really have no fair place in boxing today with the 6'6" and 7" giants dominating. Joshua would outweigh Pov. by about 30 pounds and is 4 inches taller. But just about everybody Pov. has fought has outweighed him. He fought Wlad in 2013, and as big a fan as I am of Wlad he was like an octopus holding on that night and the ref didn't do his job by warning him about that. Also I think Pov has gotten better since then.

"in addition to him growing in age and probably in addition to him consuming performance enhancing drugs (which I don't have a problem with in the 21st century)"

I agree with you. It is the corruption and hypocrisy (see my thread on doped up transvestites in amateur wrestling for instance...and then the whole Las Vegas VADA racket) in the drug testing that upsets me most.

"Now Wladimir Klitschko clearly has greater punching power than Alexander Povetkin. And although he managed to drop Anthony Joshua once with a single right hand, he found it difficult to finish Joshua off for the knockout and Anthony Joshua did manage to get up from the knockdown immediately and managed to absorb some other power punches that Wladimir Klitschko landed pretty well. Proving that he was able to absorb some of Wladimir Klitschko's power punches."

Wlad didn't try. He didn't go in for the kill. He said that he thought that Joshua was finished anyway, as did just about everybody at that point. In hindsight it was a huge mistake. Joshua's recuperative ability was extremely impressive and totally unexpected.

Most people didn't think Joshua looked that great against his last opponent, Takam. Both Povetkin and Joshua KO'd Takam in 10, but when Pov fought Takam in Oct 2014 Takam hadn't lost in 14 fights.

Anyway, I respect your comments, even though I disagree with you on some basic points.