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fightfan95 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 07:25

wesshaw1985 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 07:19

fightfan95 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 06:22 suck up to Eddie again, and get a contract with Matchroom.

Why on earth would he want to do that?

£££

Groves gets "£££" from Hearn and doesn't suck up to him or have a Matchroom contract. He also has the freedom to go off and earn millions in the WBSS.
Eubank Jr would be better off working with Kalle Sauerland...

wesshaw1985 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 07:28

fightfan95 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 07:25

wesshaw1985 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 07:19
Why on earth would he want to do that?

£££

Groves gets "£££" from Hearn and doesn't suck up to him or have a Matchroom contract. He also has the freedom to go off and earn millions in the WBSS.
Eubank Jr would be better off working with Kalle Sauerland...

I see where you're coming from. He would still have freedom to make other fights with Matchroom, Hearn doesn't stop fighters going on other promoters shows or the WBSS.

Hearn would get Jnr's bigger fights for the biggest amount of money available.

Hearn would stop his inner circle from doing either. Callum isn't the star he thought he'd be, but it's a no lose for Eddie, if Callum wins, his profile shoots up hugely. Eubank Sr might have burned a lot of bridges with the promoters... Imagine Fwank telling him he's only worth half the money previously offered because Groves punched his head in. Or Eddie.

stujones wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 06:30 Middleweight and go for Saunders.... if not Saunders then Danny Jacobs might be an option.

Possibly / Probably - but people seem to be forget just how close he ran Billy Joe Saunders..... yes Saunders looks better now, but I would STILL argue that Eubank has made as much improvement as Saunders did after that fight. Its still a marketable fight.

I suggested Jacobs mainly because Eubank has worked with Eddie Hearn before and Jacobs doesn't seem to be attracting the big names after moving to Matchroom USA.

But Saunders vs Eubank is still a great fight and with Saunder's new found status after Lemieux it could be the best fight for him and bigger than the first one.

He'd have a good brawl with Chudinov.

stujones wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:47

stujones wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 06:30 Middleweight and go for Saunders.... if not Saunders then Danny Jacobs might be an option.

Possibly / Probably - but people seem to be forget just how close he ran Billy Joe Saunders..... yes Saunders looks better now, but I would STILL argue that Eubank has made as much improvement as Saunders did after that fight. Its still a marketable fight.

I suggested Jacobs mainly because Eubank has worked with Eddie Hearn before and Jacobs doesn't seem to be attracting the big names after moving to Matchroom USA.

But Saunders vs Eubank is still a great fight and with Saunder's new found status after Lemieux it could be the best fight for him and bigger than the first one.

He only ran him close because BJS gassed. Shutout next time.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 13:31

dalcumly wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 13:26 With a gym set up like Eubank has, in which his father is trying to live his life again through his son, and poor old Ronnie Davies gets treated like the cleaner, there is only so far talent can take you. There needs to be a complete re-build. I don't know where he goes but Robert McCracken could do a job if 'daddy' was totally excluded.
The most important factor I heard during the commentary was that Groves came in at 13 sts 2 lbs. Eubank would have been lucky if he put on anything. He's a middleweight and only moved up because 'daddy' thought that's where the money would be.

Lets be honest, he moved up because he thought it'd be easier to win a title.

Perhaps, but I personally think that being involved in the WBSS tournament with a total prize fund of $50m was the clincher...

He earned 1.5 millón last night, not had business for a challenger,, and ready to go again.

At this stage I think Gary Jacobs, maybe even Ted Jacobs would beat Jnr, let alone Danny.

Verdi wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 18:18 He'd have a good brawl with Chudinov.

Decent call, if potential banana skin so maybe unlikely

liamlion wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 18:56

BitPlayer wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 13:31

dalcumly wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 13:26 With a gym set up like Eubank has, in which his father is trying to live his life again through his son, and poor old Ronnie Davies gets treated like the cleaner, there is only so far talent can take you. There needs to be a complete re-build. I don't know where he goes but Robert McCracken could do a job if 'daddy' was totally excluded.
The most important factor I heard during the commentary was that Groves came in at 13 sts 2 lbs. Eubank would have been lucky if he put on anything. He's a middleweight and only moved up because 'daddy' thought that's where the money would be.

Lets be honest, he moved up because he thought it'd be easier to win a title.

Perhaps, but I personally think that being involved in the WBSS tournament with a total prize fund of $50m was the clincher...

Not sure about that. He announced moving up to super middle 6 months before the WBSS was even being talked about.

I do think it was the easy title route. Quinlan for the IBO belt was his first fight at 168. He had no chance of any belt at 160 without fighting Golovkin or Saunders.

Well, now the IBO 168 is vacant he may box for that

In my opinion the best route to try and climb back up would be the WBC. Not saying He'd beat Benavidez (not a chance right now in fact) but their rankings look like the best way to re-establish himself.
Chasing after Tyron Zeuge and the 'regular' WBA title would mean a re-match with the WBA 'super champion' Groves down the line; but it's far too soon for that to happen and I think Eubanks Sr. would get involved and rush him back into a fight with him, the IBF belt is likely to be between Truax and Degale and I wouldn't put anyone against the WBO champion Ramirez right now and expect them to do well.

Right now the WBC silver belt is vacant since Callum smith gave up the belt to fight in the WBSS so that leaves it open to fight for by who ever wants it really as long as they are ranked by the WBC (Eubanks was ranked at #2 prior to the Groves fight) so he has that option.
The potential opponents you could match him up against (At super middle-weight) could be: J'Leon Love (23/1/1 - USA), Vincent Feigenbutz (28/2/0 - Germany) or Avni Yildirim (17/1/0 - Turkey - next fight for WBC international belt - 3rd March) so there are options out there for him to build his reputation back up there.

Otherwise he's done a good job of alienating himself in the UK, the arrogant attitude towards British ranked boxers could make getting fights ridiculously hard, so it's either European or Commonwealth ranked opposition as the best option in the near future. Honestly though chasing the European or Commonwealth belts could help him develop more before trying to jump the cue in front of him for a world title.

BlakkMamba wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 16:09 Why not Adam Booth - good fight tactician, I think they would go together quite well if CEJ would listen to him. He needs fights that will make him develop now. I am afraid he may have to be happy to form part of an undercard facing fighters who stylistically make for bad fights for him, but he can beat ugly and learn. I think thats the only way to rebuild him.

That's the problem- doesn't listen to anyone other than his old man, who has successfully convinced him that he's the second coming of Sugar Ray Robinson, only with more power.

Whereas in reality he's basically a 28 year old novice with superb conditioning who is excellent at punching people provided they stand directly in front of him and under no circumstances move.

who cares. utterly idiotic to suggest a saunders rematch. i would like to see an osullivan rematch where spike has a ten week training camp, cos i reckon he'd get the job done this time.

Bodyshot3 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 15:32 Take some proper time out and then take control of his own destiny and career.

Chris Junior his 28 now - not a little lad who still needs his hand held by Pops - and he should now act accordingly.

Dalcumly raises a good point.
Either make the break and be prepared to go your own way or fully empower Davies.

The complete break sounds like the best option - get away from Brighton - entrust another, younger trainer to develop a different vibe and make some key technical, tactical changes.

It worked for Groves when he finally ended-up with Shane and Barry.

I listened to the fight on Talk Sport and it sounded as if Chris Junior was getting picked-off and it was a bit of a repeat of the Saunders fight......but with Groves forcing even more mistakes and not being chased down so effectively.

Time is becoming a bit more precious for Chris Junior now; spin the bottle mate and try something new.

On the money.

If he's serious about his career, he needs to do these things.

I know his father is a celebrated former fighter & he's right to pick his father's brains etc, but I cannot fathom why Jr feels the need to have his hand held by Sr ALL the time.

Every time I see Jr, Sr is there too.

Every interview is with both of them: What is that about?

There's no doubt he works hard & he wants to be the best, but he really needs to work on his fundamentals; he needs to start listening to his trainer & he needs to plough his own furrow.