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gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 13:14

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 13:11

Kalan wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 22:27 AJ DIDN'T clinch because it's against Queensberry rules to hold.

see this kids? kalan is so far up the rectum of Anthony Joshua, he's trying to turn him into someone who refuses to break rules. he's just so honest, and humble, and pure, kalan imagines Joshua as a kind of Black Jesus.

this is a man (Joshua, not dopey kalan) who quickly became notorious (amongst those of us who have watched his rise carefully, with both eyes, and our senses and faculties intact) for hitting opponents after the bell, having done that at least 3 times to my memory, to opponents who were mostly wildly overmatched.

dear old kalan would like to ignore or forget that, though, as he likes to polish Joshua's virtual penis and fluff him up as much as possible, because joshua is one of silly kalan's Internet Crusades, and he never likes to allow the truth to get in the way of his ecstatic, forced narratives regarding whichever fighter he is currently lauding as some kind of god.

I'm mainly just waiting to see Kalan's response on the day when Joshua does finally inevitably lose to somebody (it's near impossible for a Heavyweight to have a lengthy career and never get upset by SOMEBODY). I figure on that day AJ will suddenly be a bum in the eyes of Kalan, and whatever Tall Heavyweight that currently hasn't lost is the new God among Men.

I've defended Kalan numerous times.
Though I very seldom have agreed with him.
But this nuthuggery is blatant trolling.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 13:14

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 13:11

Kalan wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 22:27 AJ DIDN'T clinch because it's against Queensberry rules to hold.

see this kids? kalan is so far up the rectum of Anthony Joshua, he's trying to turn him into someone who refuses to break rules. he's just so honest, and humble, and pure, kalan imagines Joshua as a kind of Black Jesus.

this is a man (Joshua, not dopey kalan) who quickly became notorious (amongst those of us who have watched his rise carefully, with both eyes, and our senses and faculties intact) for hitting opponents after the bell, having done that at least 3 times to my memory, to opponents who were mostly wildly overmatched.

dear old kalan would like to ignore or forget that, though, as he likes to polish Joshua's virtual penis and fluff him up as much as possible, because joshua is one of silly kalan's Internet Crusades, and he never likes to allow the truth to get in the way of his ecstatic, forced narratives regarding whichever fighter he is currently lauding as some kind of god.

I'm mainly just waiting to see Kalan's response on the day when Joshua does finally inevitably lose to somebody (it's near impossible for a Heavyweight to have a lengthy career and never get upset by SOMEBODY). I figure on that day AJ will suddenly be a bum in the eyes of Kalan, and whatever Tall Heavyweight that currently hasn't lost is the new God among Men.

I am literally laughing my ass off! Well said! Hopefully, we won't have to wait too long...

Nah. I actually like AJ. I'm not gonna root against him just because one of his fans is a douche. That's not his fault.

jewboypgh wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 15:28 More Bruno. Lewis was way......way.....WAY better than this AJ

100%

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 15:35

jewboypgh wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 15:28 More Bruno. Lewis was way......way.....WAY better than this AJ

100%

Prime Lewis, but not Lewis on the same stage of his career (pre-Steward version)

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 13:11

Kalan wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 22:27 AJ DIDN'T clinch because it's against Queensberry rules to hold.

see this kids? kalan is so far up the rectum of Anthony Joshua, he's trying to turn him into someone who refuses to break rules. he's just so honest, and humble, and pure, kalan imagines Joshua as a kind of Black Jesus.

this is a man (Joshua, not dopey kalan) who quickly became notorious (amongst those of us who have watched his rise carefully, with both eyes, and our senses and faculties intact) for hitting opponents after the bell, having done that at least 3 times to my memory, to opponents who were mostly wildly overmatched.

dear old kalan would like to ignore or forget that, though, as he likes to polish Joshua's virtual penis and fluff him up as much as possible, because joshua is one of silly kalan's Internet Crusades, and he never likes to allow the truth to get in the way of his ecstatic, forced narratives regarding whichever fighter he is currently lauding as some kind of god.

Hahhaha

You idiots are lenient about chronic fouling and rule breaking... The best fighters in history were not chronic clinchers

You seldom see Lomachenko clinch and he tries not to give his foes precious seconds of rest by letting them clinch.

Watch the Porter-Broner fight and count the clinches... Broner was warned 83 times and finally point deducted 1 time when he should have lost 5 points for fouling... They took 5 points from Henry Armstrong, why not Broner??? Mikey Garcia didn't allow Broner to clinch a 4th as often as Porter did, because Mikey is superb at controlling distance and timing his opponents moves... He's one of the best boxers in the world and clinching is not part of his game.

How many ATG fights has Klitschko been involved in??? .... Some of his top victories (Haye/Povetkin) were panned for lack of action and marred by too much clinching and leaning, something Lewis also did a ton of.... They both were coached by Emanuel Steward who wasn't super strong on the inside game... The reason the Joshua-Klitschko fight was so great was because AJ allowed a minimal amount of clinching, meaning there was more sustained action... Is that what you guys want to see or did you enjoy Lewis-Mavrovic and Lewis-Tua?

The idea that Joshua fights like Lewis or Bruno has as much traction as a fart in a hurricane.

Kalan wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 00:54 You idiots are lenient about chronic fouling and rule breaking... The best fighters in history were not chronic clinchers

You seldom see Lomachenko clinch and he tries not to give his foes precious seconds of rest by letting them clinch.

Watch the Porter-Broner fight and count the clinches... Broner was warned 83 times and finally point deducted 1 time when he should have lost 5 points for fouling... They took 5 points from Henry Armstrong, why not Broner??? Mikey Garcia didn't allow Broner to clinch a 4th as often as Porter did, because Mikey is superb at controlling distance and timing his opponents moves... He's one of the best boxers in the world and clinching is not part of his game.

How many ATG fights has Klitschko been involved in??? .... Some of his top victories (Haye/Povetkin) were panned for lack of action and marred by too much clinching and leaning, something Lewis also did a ton of.... They both were coached by Emanuel Steward who wasn't super strong on the inside game... The reason the Joshua-Klitschko fight was so great was because AJ allowed a minimal amount of clinching, meaning there was more sustained action... Is that what you guys want to see or did you enjoy Lewis-Mavrovic and Lewis-Tua?

The idea that Joshua fights like Lewis or Bruno has as much traction as a fart in a hurricane.

Let all of boxing bask in the empty glow of your intelligence.

Or fumble and grope in the staggering vacuum of the ignorant, boorish, and illiterate.

Firstly I don't believe there was anything wrong with Frank Bruno's chin. His problem was that his body-builder's physique restricted his mobility and required so much oxygen, it sapped his stamina, and when Bruno got tired he got vulnerable.

I do see elements of Bruno in Joshua because the similar highly muscled physique they both had in common, bestows the same benefits and drawbacks, namely increased power and strength versus reduced mobility and stamina. They both had a good jab, did the basics very well and punched hard without being one punch knockout specialists. AJ is much better than Frank was though and is much more fluid.

So the comparison with Lewis: Thus far it is as the OP said, grossly unfair to Joshua after 20 fights to talk about him as, or compare him to, an all-time-great. With that in mind I'm making no comparison of respective ability, but stylistically what I see in Joshua is not Lewis but Louis. Unless my eyes deceive me AJ boxes in a very similar fashion to the brown bomber Joe Louis himself.

Time will tell if one day he can be compared for quality to that legend, but now is emphatically not the time.

Kalan wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 00:54 You idiots are lenient about chronic fouling and rule breaking... The best fighters in history were not chronic clinchers

You seldom see Lomachenko clinch and he tries not to give his foes precious seconds of rest by letting them clinch.

Watch the Porter-Broner fight and count the clinches... Broner was warned 83 times and finally point deducted 1 time when he should have lost 5 points for fouling... They took 5 points from Henry Armstrong, why not Broner??? Mikey Garcia didn't allow Broner to clinch a 4th as often as Porter did, because Mikey is superb at controlling distance and timing his opponents moves... He's one of the best boxers in the world and clinching is not part of his game.

How many ATG fights has Klitschko been involved in??? .... Some of his top victories (Haye/Povetkin) were panned for lack of action and marred by too much clinching and leaning, something Lewis also did a ton of.... They both were coached by Emanuel Steward who wasn't super strong on the inside game... The reason the Joshua-Klitschko fight was so great was because AJ allowed a minimal amount of clinching, meaning there was more sustained action... Is that what you guys want to see or did you enjoy Lewis-Mavrovic and Lewis-Tua?

The idea that Joshua fights like Lewis or Bruno has as much traction as a fart in a hurricane.

You're incorrect on many accounts!

Vasyl Lomachenko is a bad example because he clinched excessively in his fight against Orlando Salido. But that was out of necessity because Salido himself initiated the clinches by diving in with his head illegally. That's what Wlad usually does! Clinching out of necessity when an opponent initiates it by INITIALLY executing a foul.

Mike Garcia sucks BTW. He was exposed by a green former kickboxer in Sergey Lipinets. He arguably lost that fight on many people's scorecard.

What constitutes an 'ATG fight'? That's totally subjective! The reason why Wlad's fights aren't that great to some people is because he has been so dominant and ahead of all his opponent's in abilities for a decade during his prime that his fights don't look great and look boring because he dominates each and every opponent, including the top ones with ease and in non-competitive fashion. And competitive fights = great fights to a lot of people whilst non-competitive fights = not great to some people.

Also, Wladimir Klitschko's performance against Kubrat Pulev was far better than his performance against Anthony Joshua. That fight was a far 'greater' and a far more ENTERTAINING fight than his fight against Anthony Joshua. Against Anthony Joshua, he was 41 years old (an age when every other past heavyweight champion was either retired or losing to inferior boxers compared to Anthony Joshua) with a 2 year lay off but still almost knocked out a young, in prime Anthony Joshua. That speaks more about how poor AJ is, rather than how great that fight was. If that was prime Wladimir Klitschko in the ring against Anthony Joshua, Joshua would've lost in a non-competitive bout and it would've been another typical, non-entertaining Wladimir Klitschko bout. Joshua would've been knocked out just as bad, if not worse than Kubrat Pulev did.

Also, Wlad rarely clinched against David Haye. That's a bad example! Meanwhile, he was past his prime against Povetkin but I agree, he definitely excessively clinched in that fight

However, Wlad has won many fights cleanly against top opponents without needing to clinch much. If you think Wlad didn't clinch excessively against Joshua the first time in his career, then you simply must have not watched enough of Wlad's fights. Go back and watch his fights against Ruslan Chagaev, Chris Byrd (both fights), Eddie Chambers, Sultan Ibragimov and etc. He didn't clinch excessively in those fights, anymore than he did against AJ for the same reason. Which was because, HE DIDN't NEED TO! But this idea that AJ is stronger than Wlad is a myth. I don't agree with that. Wlad was strong enough to drop AJ with a single punch. Something AJ failed to do himself. When it comes to punching power and physical strength, there isn't any contest! Wladimir Klitschko is a level or 2 above Anthony Joshua.

Also, this idea that AJ is some poster boy for a clean boxer whilst Wladimir Klitschko and Lennox Lewis are dirty, unclean fighters and foulers is also a myth. AJ fouled Wlad multiple times during their fight. Not limited to headbutts, rabbit punches and pulling the head down.

Kalan wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 00:54 You idiots are lenient about chronic fouling and rule breaking... The best fighters in history were not chronic clinchers

You seldom see Lomachenko clinch and he tries not to give his foes precious seconds of rest by letting them clinch.

Watch the Porter-Broner fight and count the clinches... Broner was warned 83 times and finally point deducted 1 time when he should have lost 5 points for fouling... They took 5 points from Henry Armstrong, why not Broner??? Mikey Garcia didn't allow Broner to clinch a 4th as often as Porter did, because Mikey is superb at controlling distance and timing his opponents moves... He's one of the best boxers in the world and clinching is not part of his game.

How many ATG fights has Klitschko been involved in??? .... Some of his top victories (Haye/Povetkin) were panned for lack of action and marred by too much clinching and leaning, something Lewis also did a ton of.... They both were coached by Emanuel Steward who wasn't super strong on the inside game... The reason the Joshua-Klitschko fight was so great was because AJ allowed a minimal amount of clinching, meaning there was more sustained action... Is that what you guys want to see or did you enjoy Lewis-Mavrovic and Lewis-Tua?

The idea that Joshua fights like Lewis or Bruno has as much traction as a fart in a hurricane.

Go watch Joshua/Klitchko and tell me again how Joshua doesn't foul.

lazboy wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 22:31

Kalan wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 22:27 Lewis ate one HELL of a lot more punches and wasn't as balanced or sharp with his combinations.... Lewis was more like Wilder with his lunging swings -- and his pushing, mauling, and general slophouse rowdiness in there.

Oh my lord. Lewis is so much a better technician than AJ. My lord Jesus!

Absolutely! Kalan has a bit of a crush on Joshua I think.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 15:13 Nah. I actually like AJ. I'm not gonna root against him just because one of his fans is a douche. That's not his fault.

Good point.

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Mar 2018, 11:13

lazboy wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 22:31

Kalan wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 22:27 Lewis ate one HELL of a lot more punches and wasn't as balanced or sharp with his combinations.... Lewis was more like Wilder with his lunging swings -- and his pushing, mauling, and general slophouse rowdiness in there.

Oh my lord. Lewis is so much a better technician than AJ. My lord Jesus!

Absolutely! Kalan has a bit of a crush on Joshua I think.

HELL no... You jerks are Joshua haters... Lewis loaded and threw big wild swings that you'll never see from Joshua... Anybody who can't see that Joshua has better foot speed.... more precise footwork.... faster hands.... tighter, sharper combinations.... and a stronger defense just doesn't know how to evaluate boxers...

Anybody who thinks Anthony Joshua is Frank Bruno never watched Bruno's fight with James Smith.... If James Smith is faster than you -- you've got serious problems because he's a slow guy... And if you think Wilder is faster you're seeing what you want to see... You haven't watched Joshua in the Klitschko and Takam fights.

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 07:42

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Mar 2018, 11:13

lazboy wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 22:31

Oh my lord. Lewis is so much a better technician than AJ. My lord Jesus!

Absolutely! Kalan has a bit of a crush on Joshua I think.

HELL no... You jerks are Joshua haters... Lewis loaded and threw big wild swings that you'll never see from Joshua... Anybody who can't see that Joshua has better foot speed.... more precise footwork.... faster hands.... tighter, sharper combinations.... and a stronger defense just doesn't know how to evaluate boxers...

Ladies and gentlemen

Just remember

Any time Kalan tries to imply that you all don't know how to evaluate boxers

And any time he tries to imply that he is an expert evaluator

Just remember

This is the man who said CHRIS EUBANK JUNIOR
was 'one of the CLEVEREST boxers in the history of boxing', and a 'SKILFUL' boxer

Just remember that

Don't be like Kalan, kids.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 09:08

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 07:42

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Mar 2018, 11:13

Absolutely! Kalan has a bit of a crush on Joshua I think.

HELL no... You jerks are Joshua haters... Lewis loaded and threw big wild swings that you'll never see from Joshua... Anybody who can't see that Joshua has better foot speed.... more precise footwork.... faster hands.... tighter, sharper combinations.... and a stronger defense just doesn't know how to evaluate boxers...

Ladies and gentlemen

Just remember

Any time Kalan tries to imply that you all don't know how to evaluate boxers

And any time he tries to imply that he is an expert evaluator

Just remember

This is the man who said CHRIS EUBANK JUNIOR
was 'one of the CLEVEREST boxers in the history of boxing', and a 'SKILFUL' boxer

Just remember that

Don't be like Kalan, kids.

LMAO!!! "this has been a public service announcement."

Haha I like it, yes, public service

MANY historical ATG boxer's careers were NOT OVER when they suffered 1 or more upset losses....

Larry Holmes.... Muhammad Ali.... Mikey Tyson.... Lennex Lewis.... Archie Moore... Joe Louis.... Manny Paquiao.... Jose Napoles... Wladimir Klitschko.... Mickey Walker.... Floyd Patterson.... Alexis Arguello.... Tommy Hearns.... Harold Johnson.... Kostya Tszyu.... Tommy Loughran.... Billy Conn.... George Foreman.... Shane Mosley.... more ATG's than anyone can mention.

But if a contemporary boxer (Eubank) suffers an upset loss in a Title Fight he's scorched potatoes??? .... Nope.

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 15:01

But if a contemporary boxer (Eubank) suffers an upset loss in a Title Fight he's scorched potatoes??? .... Nope.

I'm not saying he is unskilled and not clever because he has lost

I'm saying he is unskilled and not clever, because he is unskilled and not clever

Notice ladies and gentlemen that Kalan is trying to turn it into a conversation about fighters being judged off one defeat

Notice that Kalan can't defend his opinion by referring to Eubanks good jab, or good head movement, smart use of feints and ring generalship, or clever footwork, as evidence of his skills

This is because Eubank does not have those skills, amongst an abundant number of other boxing basics he never picked up ('hey kids remember it's good to return your hand to your chin after you have punched', etc)

Kalan made a stupid comment that showed his ignorance and lack of judgement.

Anyone with eyes can see Eubank is not a skilled clever boxer. Kalan said he is one.

Just remember that kids

Remember that too, Kalan, your ass has been owned.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 15:22

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 15:01

But if a contemporary boxer (Eubank) suffers an upset loss in a Title Fight he's scorched potatoes??? .... Nope.

I'm not saying he is unskilled and not clever because he has lost

I'm saying he is unskilled and not clever, because he is unskilled and not clever

Notice ladies and gentlemen that Kalan is trying to turn it into a conversation about fighters being judged off one defeat

Notice that Kalan can't defend his opinion by referring to Eubanks good jab, or good head movement, smart use of feints and ring generalship, or clever footwork, as evidence of his skills

This is because Eubank does not have those skills, amongst an abundant number of other boxing basics he never picked up ('hey kids remember it's good to return your hand to your chin after you have punched', etc)

Kalan made a stupid comment that showed his ignorance and lack of judgement.

Anyone with eyes can see Eubank is not a skilled clever boxer. Kalan said he is one.

Just remember that kids

Remember that too, Kalan, your ass has been owned.

"The opinions of the poster don't necessarily represent those of the rest of us...but...it does."

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 15:22

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 15:01

But if a contemporary boxer (Eubank) suffers an upset loss in a Title Fight he's scorched potatoes??? .... Nope.

I'm not saying he is unskilled and not clever because he has lost

I'm saying he is unskilled and not clever, because he is unskilled and not clever

Notice ladies and gentlemen that Kalan is trying to turn it into a conversation about fighters being judged off one defeat

Notice that Kalan can't defend his opinion by referring to Eubanks good jab, or good head movement, smart use of feints and ring generalship, or clever footwork, as evidence of his skills

This is because Eubank does not have those skills, amongst an abundant number of other boxing basics he never picked up ('hey kids remember it's good to return your hand to your chin after you have punched', etc)

Kalan made a stupid comment that showed his ignorance and lack of judgement.

Anyone with eyes can see Eubank is not a skilled clever boxer. Kalan said he is one.

Just remember that kids

Remember that too, Kalan, your ass has been owned.

Bullcrap!!! .... Eubank was badly over trained for Groves (as many people said) but still competitive... It was 115-113 on one card... You're completely nuts in saying Eubank is lacking in an abundant number of boxing basics... He wouldn't have become a World Title Holder or be favored over Eubank by so many top boxers and trainers if he couldn't box...

He suffered an upset loss... Not a big deal if you take the long view.

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 16:01

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 15:22

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 15:01

But if a contemporary boxer (Eubank) suffers an upset loss in a Title Fight he's scorched potatoes??? .... Nope.

I'm not saying he is unskilled and not clever because he has lost

I'm saying he is unskilled and not clever, because he is unskilled and not clever

Notice ladies and gentlemen that Kalan is trying to turn it into a conversation about fighters being judged off one defeat

Notice that Kalan can't defend his opinion by referring to Eubanks good jab, or good head movement, smart use of feints and ring generalship, or clever footwork, as evidence of his skills

This is because Eubank does not have those skills, amongst an abundant number of other boxing basics he never picked up ('hey kids remember it's good to return your hand to your chin after you have punched', etc)

Kalan made a stupid comment that showed his ignorance and lack of judgement.

Anyone with eyes can see Eubank is not a skilled clever boxer. Kalan said he is one.

Just remember that kids

Remember that too, Kalan, your ass has been owned.

Bullcrap!!! .... Eubank was badly over trained for Groves (as many people said) but still competitive... It was 115-113 on one card... You're completely nuts in saying Eubank is lacking in an abundant number of boxing basics... He wouldn't have become a World Title Holder or be favored over Eubank by so many top boxers and trainers if he couldn't box...

He suffered an upset loss... Not a big deal if you take the long view.

"Bullcrap" - Guess who?! Eubanks is overrated.

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 16:01

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 15:22

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 15:01

But if a contemporary boxer (Eubank) suffers an upset loss in a Title Fight he's scorched potatoes??? .... Nope.

I'm not saying he is unskilled and not clever because he has lost

I'm saying he is unskilled and not clever, because he is unskilled and not clever

Notice ladies and gentlemen that Kalan is trying to turn it into a conversation about fighters being judged off one defeat

Notice that Kalan can't defend his opinion by referring to Eubanks good jab, or good head movement, smart use of feints and ring generalship, or clever footwork, as evidence of his skills

This is because Eubank does not have those skills, amongst an abundant number of other boxing basics he never picked up ('hey kids remember it's good to return your hand to your chin after you have punched', etc)

Kalan made a stupid comment that showed his ignorance and lack of judgement.

Anyone with eyes can see Eubank is not a skilled clever boxer. Kalan said he is one.

Just remember that kids

Remember that too, Kalan, your ass has been owned.

Bullcrap!!! .... Eubank was badly over trained for Groves (as many people said) but still competitive... It was 115-113 on one card... You're completely nuts in saying Eubank is lacking in an abundant number of boxing basics... He wouldn't have become a World Title Holder or be favored over Eubank by so many top boxers and trainers if he couldn't box...

He suffered an upset loss... Not a big deal if you take the long view.

Kalan just gets worse

He cites 'over training' as the reason Eubank NEVER MOVES HIS HEAD NEVER USES THE JAB, has terrible footwork etc

Does overtraining suddenly make you throw wide, sloppy hooks all night?

Does overtraining make you eat punches, because you walk straight at your man, chin in the air and square-on?

Of course not

Then silly Kalan says Eubank 'wouldn't have been a world title holder if he couldn't box'

This is a stupid statement on two levels.

First, Eubank has never held a reputable world hampionship belt

Second, even if he did, of course we all know people get world title belts nowadays, with four available, when they don't have boxing skill. kalan himself has referred to many world champions as having no skill, so the idea that to be one, you must have skill, is patent nonsense

Notice how Kalan cannot defend his position with reference to Eubanks skills

Notice all he can do is say 'people judge fighters after one defeat' and 'he must be skilful to be a world champion'

Eubank has no skill, and Kalan was stupid or ignorant enough to call him 'one of the cleverest fighters of all time', along with Willie Pep and Lomachenko

Eubank junior walks square into punches with his chin in the air, he has no head movement, no jab, terrible footwork.

That is kalans idea of a skilled boxer

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 16:27

Kalan wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 16:01

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 15:22

I'm not saying he is unskilled and not clever because he has lost

I'm saying he is unskilled and not clever, because he is unskilled and not clever

Notice ladies and gentlemen that Kalan is trying to turn it into a conversation about fighters being judged off one defeat

Notice that Kalan can't defend his opinion by referring to Eubanks good jab, or good head movement, smart use of feints and ring generalship, or clever footwork, as evidence of his skills

This is because Eubank does not have those skills, amongst an abundant number of other boxing basics he never picked up ('hey kids remember it's good to return your hand to your chin after you have punched', etc)

Kalan made a stupid comment that showed his ignorance and lack of judgement.

Anyone with eyes can see Eubank is not a skilled clever boxer. Kalan said he is one.

Just remember that kids

Remember that too, Kalan, your ass has been owned.

Bullcrap!!! .... Eubank was badly over trained for Groves (as many people said) but still competitive... It was 115-113 on one card... You're completely nuts in saying Eubank is lacking in an abundant number of boxing basics... He wouldn't have become a World Title Holder or be favored over Eubank by so many top boxers and trainers if he couldn't box...

He suffered an upset loss... Not a big deal if you take the long view.

Kalan just gets worse

He cites 'over training' as the reason Eubank NEVER MOVES HIS HEAD NEVER USES THE JAB, has terrible footwork etc

Does overtraining suddenly make you throw wide, sloppy hooks all night?

Does overtraining make you eat punches, because you walk straight at your man, chin in the air and square-on?

Of course not

Then silly Kalan says Eubank 'wouldn't have been a world title holder if he couldn't box'

This is a stupid statement on two levels.

First, Eubank has never held a reputable world hampionship belt

Second, even if he did, of course we all know people get world title belts nowadays, with four available, when they don't have boxing skill. kalan himself has referred to many world champions as having no skill, so the idea that to be one, you must have skill, is patent nonsense

Notice how Kalan cannot defend his position with reference to Eubanks skills

Notice all he can do is say 'people judge fighters after one defeat' and 'he must be skilful to be a world champion'

Eubank has no skill, and Kalan was stupid or ignorant enough to call him 'one of the cleverest fighters of all time', along with Willie Pep and Lomachenko

Eubank junior walks square into punches with his chin in the air, he has no head movement, no jab, terrible footwork.

That is kalans idea of a skilled boxer

Lol! And that idea died of loneliness