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jamamb wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:36 aj getting called a ducker but hes already got the best resume in the division despite only being a pro 4.5 years, shorter then anyone else in boxrecs top 25, shorter then 10 years pro wilder. just seems way to hasty to act like his side has been doing shameful ducking.

its only very recently that this really became a must happen fight. prior to last month wilder had only even beat 1 top 10 opponent.

jamamb wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:39 typical with boxing fans, pick there side from the start, then act like unless the fight doesnt happen straight away its all down to the other side being scared

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:42

jamamb wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:39 typical with boxing fans, pick there side from the start, then act like unless the fight doesnt happen straight away its all down to the other side being scared

You make too many assumptions and should ask more questions. I usually debate hard, but I'm just not in the mood. You've seen it. I'm pooped from a tough week. When I feel rested, I'll post a 'let you know' I'm back for some abuse.

jamamb wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:48 i love both guys, i dont think either is ducking the other at this point. i really havent seen any good argument put forth as to when this shouldve happened/why its clear one side doesnt want it but the other does. any argument pretty much involves immediately saying one side is lying yet then assuming the other is truthful

this is still very new as a must happen fight.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 21:24 To be fair, from a commercial perspective, Wilder is far less successful than Joshua, which kind of suggests that Deontay's approach to hyping bouts may not be working.

An individuals effectiveness should be judged on their actual results rather than the approach they're using.

You can't pay the bills using effort alone, you need to use money... and AJ is getting paid lots of it, which means his approach is clearly working, whereas Wilder's isn't.

SFW wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 10:00 so milk the teet as much as possible before it all comes crashing down.

the_doctor wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 02:22

SFW wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 10:00 so milk the teet as much as possible before it all comes crashing down.

Look at Wilders 40-fight record again and remind me who is milking to teat

the_doctor wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 02:22

SFW wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 10:00 so milk the teet as much as possible before it all comes crashing down.

Look at Wilders 40-fight record again and remind me who is milking to teat

bigman1968 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 09:49

keirw wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 03:52

SenorPipino wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 17:23

And don't forget, it's so much easier to sell a British fighter to his countryman. There's not the plethora of other sports as there is here in the USA. It's not as hard to create a hero there.

Nonsense, there are plenty of other sports in the UK.

Football (soccer) is practically a religion, Rugby (both codes), Cricket and formula one are all much bigger than boxing.

Cycling (road or track), Golf and Athletics all get more media coverage than most Boxing events.

I wouldn't be suprised if Matchroom's premier league darts sold more tickets and had more viewing figures than most Matchroom Boxing events.

I was at Whyte vs Browne this weekend and their were about 7500-8000 (at a guess) other people there, Strongman events have sold more tickets.

Most people I know, know more about Carl Foggarty's career than Carl Froch's.

I have friends coming round to watch the fight on Saturday who will have not heard of any one on the card, other than Joshua.

AJ is the exeption, not the rule.

In US you can add NFL, NBA, Baseball, NHL and all types of NCAA....all the money/attention goes there!

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 06:26 the ppl who are already passionately crying duck, protected, etc clearly start from that position, and its only after fixing themselves to that biased view that they work backwards, twisting and turning everything to fit there pre determined narrative

you cant knock ajs resume or approrach w/o doing the same to everyone else at hws. theres 0 evidence that hes been protected more then any other top hw

and remember hes only 28 been and been pro a little over 4 years, so like half the time or even less then 10+ year/33+ year old pros like wilder, pov, pulev, ortiz, etc have, yet hes already at the top and beat numerous top 10 opponents, more then wilder, ortiz, pulev, whyte, fury etc. only povetkin possibly has as many but that includes fights from many years ago, and ajs prob beating him this year

tell me where these other guys were after just 4 years pro. aj has been moved exceptionally fast

Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 17:14

bigman1968 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 09:49

keirw wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 03:52

Nonsense, there are plenty of other sports in the UK.

Football (soccer) is practically a religion, Rugby (both codes), Cricket and formula one are all much bigger than boxing.

Cycling (road or track), Golf and Athletics all get more media coverage than most Boxing events.

I wouldn't be suprised if Matchroom's premier league darts sold more tickets and had more viewing figures than most Matchroom Boxing events.

I was at Whyte vs Browne this weekend and their were about 7500-8000 (at a guess) other people there, Strongman events have sold more tickets.

Most people I know, know more about Carl Foggarty's career than Carl Froch's.

I have friends coming round to watch the fight on Saturday who will have not heard of any one on the card, other than Joshua.

AJ is the exeption, not the rule.

In US you can add NFL, NBA, Baseball, NHL and all types of NCAA....all the money/attention goes there!

Good point. Take one or two of the above sports and anything the UK draws pales in comparison.

Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 17:14

bigman1968 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 09:49

keirw wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 03:52 Nonsense, there are plenty of other sports in the UK.
Football (soccer) is practically a religion, Rugby (both codes), Cricket and formula one are all much bigger than boxing.
Cycling (road or track), Golf and Athletics all get more media coverage than most Boxing events.
I wouldn't be suprised if Matchroom's premier league darts sold more tickets and had more viewing figures than most Matchroom Boxing events.
I was at Whyte vs Browne this weekend and their were about 7500-8000 (at a guess) other people there, Strongman events have sold more tickets.
Most people I know, know more about Carl Foggarty's career than Carl Froch's.
I have friends coming round to watch the fight on Saturday who will have not heard of any one on the card, other than Joshua.

AJ is the exeption, not the rule.

In US you can add NFL, NBA, Baseball, NHL and all types of NCAA....all the money/attention goes there!

Good point. Take one or two of the above sports and anything the UK draws pales in comparison.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 19:29

Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 17:14

bigman1968 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 09:49

In US you can add NFL, NBA, Baseball, NHL and all types of NCAA....all the money/attention goes there!

Good point. Take one or two of the above sports and anything the UK draws pales in comparison.

Hmm no, Manchester United generates well over 800 milion dollars in revenue every year (and growing) and it ain't even the best club in... Manchester! The numbers football generate in the UK are completely from a different planet. Arsenal asks up to a 100 pound a ticket every match and they have 60.000 places in their stadium and play about 25 matches at their own stadium and another 25 at other places every year. Nothing can match up against the UK footballworld.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 19:38

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 19:29

Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 17:14 Good point. Take one or two of the above sports and anything the UK draws pales in comparison.

Hmm no, Manchester United generates well over 800 milion dollars in revenue every year (and growing) and it ain't even the best club in... Manchester! The numbers football generate in the UK are completely from a different planet. Arsenal asks up to a 100 pound a ticket every match and they have 60.000 places in their stadium and play about 25 matches at their own stadium and another 25 at other places every year. Nothing can match up against the UK footballworld.

Dallas cowboys of the NFL who I hate
Generated over 840 million last year in only 16 games.
You lose again

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 20:00

tiny_acres wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 19:38

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 19:29
Hmm no, Manchester United generates well over 800 milion dollars in revenue every year (and growing) and it ain't even the best club in... Manchester! The numbers football generate in the UK are completely from a different planet. Arsenal asks up to a 100 pound a ticket every match and they have 60.000 places in their stadium and play about 25 matches at their own stadium and another 25 at other places every year. Nothing can match up against the UK footballworld.

Dallas cowboys of the NFL who I hate
Generated over 840 million last year in only 16 games.
You lose again

I'm surprised, I've never heard of them and don't even know what sport they do, but congratz on it, I'm quite confident United used to be the richest team in the world when there were still Dutch people over there.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 20:44

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 20:00

tiny_acres wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 19:38 Dallas cowboys of the NFL who I hate
Generated over 840 million last year in only 16 games.
You lose again

I'm surprised, I've never heard of them and don't even know what sport they do, but congratz on it, I'm quite confident United used to be the richest team in the world when there were still Dutch people over there.

NFL, NBA and MLB franchises each cost more than $1 billion. All three sports generate BILLIONS in revenue from the game and BILLIONS more from retail shoes; caps; cups; shirts; jersey's etc.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 20:55

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 20:44

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 20:00
I'm surprised, I've never heard of them and don't even know what sport they do, but congratz on it, I'm quite confident United used to be the richest team in the world when there were still Dutch people over there.

NFL, NBA and MLB franchises each cost more than $1 billion. All three sports generate BILLIONS in revenue from the game and BILLIONS more from retail shoes; caps; cups; shirts; jersey's etc.

I know, but football is just one sport with divisions in each country, even the worst premier league team in the UK receives well over a 100 milion TV money alone.
Any premier league team is worth at least 300m because of that.

SFW wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 16:53

the_doctor wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 02:22

SFW wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 10:00 so milk the teet as much as possible before it all comes crashing down.

Look at Wilders 40-fight record again and remind me who is milking to teat

He has been asking for AJ for multiple years now, and quite obviously hasn't been milking anything seeing as how he's taken far less money than offered time and again. Time to re-think that statement. It must bother you guys that Wilder doesn't play by your rules or give a poo about anything other than fighting for all the belts. He just plain doesn't give a eff. It is JOSHUA's side, the big draw the side that decides who when where, that has held up this fight. Likely for business reasons not fear, but it is on them nonetheless.
They decide everything, hence why it hasn't happened yet.

the_doctor wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 02:14

SFW wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 16:53

the_doctor wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 02:22
Look at Wilders 40-fight record again and remind me who is milking to teat

He has been asking for AJ for multiple years now, and quite obviously hasn't been milking anything seeing as how he's taken far less money than offered time and again. Time to re-think that statement. It must bother you guys that Wilder doesn't play by your rules or give a poo about anything other than fighting for all the belts. He just plain doesn't give a eff. It is JOSHUA's side, the big draw the side that decides who when where, that has held up this fight. Likely for business reasons not fear, but it is on them nonetheless.
They decide everything, hence why it hasn't happened yet.

You're right, Wilder does a lot of talking. Meanwhile Joshua, in his 21-fight career, has had 6 world title fights and two unifications. He's fought six undefeated fighters and a future HoF'er.

Who wins out of Joshua vs Wilder is very much up for debate (I'm not sure myself) but to suggest that Joshua and/or his team fear Wilder based on Wilder talking a good game is very naive.