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tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 11:13

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 10:36 Have you looked at Wilder? He's have to cut off a limb to drop anymore weight.

Dude we think too much alike.
I was just going to ask which arm should he cut off to make the weight

Agreed,not a chance in hell he could shift another 14 lbs and be healthy.

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 16:28

tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 11:13

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 10:36 Have you looked at Wilder? He's have to cut off a limb to drop anymore weight.

Dude we think too much alike.
I was just going to ask which arm should he cut off to make the weight

Agreed,not a chance in hell he could shift another 14 lbs and be healthy.

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 16:28

tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 11:13

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 10:36 Have you looked at Wilder? He's have to cut off a limb to drop anymore weight.

Dude we think too much alike.
I was just going to ask which arm should he cut off to make the weight

Agreed,not a chance in hell he could shift another 14 lbs and be healthy.

Boxing is not a healthy sport. He could make 200.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 17:02

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 16:28

tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 11:13

Dude we think too much alike.
I was just going to ask which arm should he cut off to make the weight

Agreed,not a chance in hell he could shift another 14 lbs and be healthy.

Boxing is not a healthy sport. He could make 200.

No chance,he'd have to cut both legs off

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 17:53

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 17:02

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 16:28

Agreed,not a chance in hell he could shift another 14 lbs and be healthy.

Boxing is not a healthy sport. He could make 200.

No chance,he'd have to cut both legs off

LMFAO! I said an arm. Punchy says we're crazy.

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 17:53

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 17:02

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 16:28

Agreed,not a chance in hell he could shift another 14 lbs and be healthy.

Boxing is not a healthy sport. He could make 200.

No chance,he'd have to cut both legs off

What sport have you been watching? Are you not aware that smaller fighters (with less water weight to lose) routinely drain similar amounts to make weight without needing to amputate limbs? Are people really this much in the dark?

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 18:41

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 17:53

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 17:02

Boxing is not a healthy sport. He could make 200.

No chance,he'd have to cut both legs off

What sport have you been watching? Are you not aware that smaller fighters (with less water weight to lose) routinely drain similar amounts to make weight without needing to amputate limbs? Are people really this much in the dark?

I'm just messing around because Deontay is so damn skinny. Take it easy.

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 18:44

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 18:41

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 17:53

No chance,he'd have to cut both legs off

What sport have you been watching? Are you not aware that smaller fighters (with less water weight to lose) routinely drain similar amounts to make weight without needing to amputate limbs? Are people really this much in the dark?

I'm just messing around because Deontay is so damn skinny. Take it easy.

I am taking it easy, I am just legitimately surprised at the amount of people that don't think he could make it. Of course I know the cutting off limbs stuff is tongue in cheek so don't take any of this as hostility towards you, that is not my intention

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 19:01

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 18:44

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 18:41

What sport have you been watching? Are you not aware that smaller fighters (with less water weight to lose) routinely drain similar amounts to make weight without needing to amputate limbs? Are people really this much in the dark?

I'm just messing around because Deontay is so damn skinny. Take it easy.

I am taking it easy, I am just legitimately surprised at the amount of people that don't think he could make it. Of course I know the cutting off limbs stuff is tongue in cheek so don't take any of this as hostility towards you, that is not my intention

No worries on that, just wanted to kind of cool things off. Appreciate leaving me out, but I'm a big boy with thick skin...some of it thicker than I'd like!

So anyway...ASSUMING Wilder could fight at CW, how would he perform, I think, is the question.

That depends on his bodies ability to rehydrate and how well his body accepts the rehydration.

If he's good at it, he's in the same spot he's in now: game changing one punch power that typically covers his lack of ability.

If he's not good at it then he's in the same spot he's in now for 4-5 rounds and then badly fades. Any of the top Cruisers are more skilled than him, but can they take his punch?

Well didn't I just open a can of worms lol. Honestly I also am a little surprised at the amount of people who think he'd have trouble cutting the weight. We consistently see top fighters from welter up to light heavy who rehydrate 10-20lbs the night of the fight. How is it such a reach for a guy who comparatively actually has less weight to cut to do the exact same thing??? If anything it should be easier for him than it is for somebody who weighs in at 160 and then blows back up to light heavy come fight night.

Regardless I know that it would never happen, the money is too great at heavy and he doesn't have to put his body through hell cutting weight. But it's an interesting discussion. Imagine he dropped down to fight for a cruiser belt and won? He'd be the champ champ. I don't think anybody has simultaneously held a cruiser and heavy belt at the same time (please correct me if I'm wrong). THAT would be something for the history books.

how often do boxers fight after fight weigh 20 pounds more on fight night

remember, as said repeateadly 214 he says he was sick for. thats not his standard weight and i dont know if getting sick repeatedly would be good for him. his average over last few years is like 225 and hes fairly trim at that. ya, he could make 200 maybe, but its fair to question what type of form hed be in if he did.

Chavez Jr used to do it fairly often. Jacobs rehydrates like a mofo he's done close to 20 before. I know there's more, that's just two off the top of my head. 20 is a reach it doesn't happen that often but 10-20 range happens all the time.

Just forget it. It won't happen. The real question is how Usyk/Gassiev will do vs Wilder at HW, since that's possible to actually happen, and has always been the natural course.

Wilder's average weight when he's competed against a top-ten The Ring rated opponent is 217lbs.

He can make 200lbs easily.

Round and Round we go, where we stop....

lol, op starts thread asking ppl there thoughts then cant believe that some ppl disagree with him

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 22:29 lol, op starts thread asking ppl there thoughts then cant believe that some ppl disagree with him

Well if you read my original post again, I never asked if people thought he could make the weight. I flat out assumed he could. I was instead asking how people thought he would perform. Then it turned out that quite a few people doubted he could even make the weight and it became a completely different discussion. So on my original question, yes I can believe that some people disagree with me. What I can't believe is some people thinking he couldn't make 200.

Even if he could make it healthy, he gets killed at that weight. Much too talented. Unlike just getting outboxed like Szpilka was doing, he'd get stopped.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 18:41

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 17:53

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 17:02

Boxing is not a healthy sport. He could make 200.

No chance,he'd have to cut both legs off

What sport have you been watching? Are you not aware that smaller fighters (with less water weight to lose) routinely drain similar amounts to make weight without needing to amputate limbs? Are people really this much in the dark?

Listen i've watched boxing for 40 YEARS,Wilder simply couldn't do it SAFELY is what i'm saying,he's very tall with skinny legs and was ill last time out,he just doesn't have the excess fluid or body fat to do it,it's simple really.

Heretic wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 02:04 Wilder could easily make it to cruiser. He could just cut water weight to get close at this point.

One of the big advantages that Wilder has as HW is being faster than the opponents. His massive power is another one. Stamina seems to be third.

If he would move down to cruiser he would suddenly be the slower guy. That power will do him no good if he can't land.

The top cruiser also don't have stamina issues like the over sized heavies. So that advantage is gone too.

Remember that Wilder was being out boxed by very ordinary boxers like Szpilka and Washington. Slow Ortiz also sould have been comfortably ahead at the time of the stoppage.

Usyk and Gassiev would both be favored to beat him on points. Wilder always has a punchers chance thou

Well said. Every boxer has an an optimal speed/power weight and finding it is a major challenge for every boxer today. Presumably endomorphic (shorter/fleshy) body types like Ricky Hatton can cut weight better than ectomorphic (tall/thin) body types like Wilder/Hearns.

Deontay Wilder could fight at Cruiserweight but it would be inadvisable on just about every count right now. Losing weight would bring little if any increase in speed, stamina or mobility for Wilder.

Besides the heavyweight division is hardly at its most challenging right now. Wilder is the fastest and hardest hitting heavyweight right now with AJ not far behind but still ahead in boxing skills.

It's great to see both boxers look like they're starting to peak as they prepare to face each other. Very few people are still seeing this as a gross mismatch in Anthony Joshua's favour.

Why would any fighter drop down to cruiser when they are able to fight at the top level at heavyweight?

I mean maybe he could, but what the fornicate for, cruiserweights earn peanuts.

bigjack wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:06

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 18:41

bigjack wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 17:53

No chance,he'd have to cut both legs off

What sport have you been watching? Are you not aware that smaller fighters (with less water weight to lose) routinely drain similar amounts to make weight without needing to amputate limbs? Are people really this much in the dark?

Listen i've watched boxing for 40 YEARS,Wilder simply couldn't do it SAFELY is what i'm saying,he's very tall with skinny legs and was ill last time out,he just doesn't have the excess fluid or body fat to do it,it's simple really.

He would do it just as "safely" as every other fighter that cuts weight. And as a living human being, he has more than enough "fluids" as well. Believe it or not larger people have more water in them then smaller people.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 09:17

bigjack wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 03:06

punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 18:41

What sport have you been watching? Are you not aware that smaller fighters (with less water weight to lose) routinely drain similar amounts to make weight without needing to amputate limbs? Are people really this much in the dark?

Listen i've watched boxing for 40 YEARS,Wilder simply couldn't do it SAFELY is what i'm saying,he's very tall with skinny legs and was ill last time out,he just doesn't have the excess fluid or body fat to do it,it's simple really.

He would do it just as "safely" as every other fighter that cuts weight. And as a living human being, he has more than enough "fluids" as well. Believe it or not larger people have more water in them then smaller people.

lol!!!