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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 04:20

candyslim wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 03:23I do find it sad that a gentleman like Joshua, who treats opponents with respect, is quietly confident and believes in walking the walk, is considered boring by so many who prefer the loudmouth braggart who never tires of telling us how great he is.

Cultural differences I guess

You can’t please everyone all of the time.

The thing is… Deontay’s alleged “exciting” demeanour hasn’t translated in commercial success, popularity in his homeland or decent paydays.

His trash-talking simply isn’t working.

jamamb wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 06:11

tiny_acres wrote: ↑19 Apr 2018, 16:41

Kalan wrote: ↑19 Apr 2018, 15:33

Both fighters were equal draws in those fights... Foreman was the undefeated Heavyweight Champion... Ali was the twice defeated challenger... (Deontay is already as old as Ali was for the Foreman fight) ... Joshua will be doing 90% of the draw for Joshua-Wilder... Wilder will be making 10 X what he ever made... Joshua might double what he ever made... You can't give Wilder a split... Offer him a flat fee... 70% of Brits will be watching... 5% of Americans will watch.

The largest British boxing ppv in history was
1.2 million buys.
Conservative figures would put a minimum
1 million USA Ppv buys for this fight.
And American ppv cost a hell of a lot more than they do in Britain.
This fight is not as easy to base percentage off of as most fights. Regardless of what the majority thinks.

you have no clue if you think 1m us ppvs is conservative for this, wilders biggest number on showtime is barely 1m, let alone getting that many on ppv, neither guy has even been on ppv in the us, and thats because they arent superstars there

mate you really are way off with this stuff, before you were claiming theyd have like 140m dollars to split, which would be 100m more then any total split for an aj fight, and like 137m more then any wilder fight

way inflated numbers

jamamb wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 09:42 read the last post on the last page, hearn just stated very clearly that right now its a 40-50m fight

and 1m us ppvs as conservative estimate is crazy, neither guy is a ppv fighter in the us and on showtime they barely average 1m put together

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 14:02 When is the fight scheduled to take place?

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 14:08

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 14:02 When is the fight scheduled to take place?

Hearn will be in New York Monday to discuss the fight with Wilders team face to face.

Kalan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 18:33 Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 19:42

Kalan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 18:33 Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

Honestly wilder is one of the worst managed boxers on the planet.
He's a human highlight reel who loves the media attention.
If he had proper management he'd be bankin

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 19:46

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 19:42

Kalan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 18:33 Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

Honestly wilder is one of the worst managed boxers on the planet.
He's a human highlight reel who loves the media attention.
If he had proper management he'd be bankin

There is no doubt in my mind that you are correct, plus the fact that he is the most exciting HW out there. His team sucks.

Kalan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 18:33 Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

candyslim wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 03:09 Yeah but Hearn's a lying cheating sack o'poo. Next he'll be telling us that the streets of London aren't paved in gold, you just can't believe a word he says.

Now Deontay's always been about legacy, money don't matter, that's why he's earned so liitle of it (for a HC of the W) Don't you all remember how he hounded Klitschko for years demanding first a shot at his title then more recently a unification? You don't? ... really? ... sure you do !

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 19:42

Kalan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 18:33 Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

Honestly wilder is one of the worst managed boxers on the planet.
He's a human highlight reel who loves the media attention.
If he had proper management he'd be bankin

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 16:58

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 19:42

Kalan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 18:33 Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

Honestly wilder is one of the worst managed boxers on the planet.
He's a human highlight reel who loves the media attention.
If he had proper management he'd be bankin

I agree. DiBella is awful promoter. Wilder is exciting (and vulnerable) fighter that can talk trash. If he was promoted well, he would have been much bigger star in USA.

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 02:42 I wonder if Deontay ever looks at Joshua and wishes he were British (purely for boxing reasons, don't get me wrong). I'm sure he has the attributes that could have made him a mega-star over here, there again he'd have had to fight. I don't think the fans in the UK would stand for his many years of fighting cab-drivers.

Maybe that's the explanation as to why his compatriots show him so little love.

candyslim wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 03:09 Yeah I totally get it that boxing is in decline in the US, MMA on the rise that kind of thing, but I'm sure if Mike Tyson had come along today, Uncle Sam would have sat up and took notice. (Maybe I'm wrong, it's twenty odd years since I was in the US).

Any fighter who can compete at the top of the heavyweight division, never mind being one of the major players, has my respect and admiration and Deontay is no exception, but I have very mixed feelings about him.

You mention his yelling "Bomb Squad" all the time. It is very juvenile and I can see how it might alienate some people, but some appear to like it. I prefer the modest and gentlemanly way that Joshua carries himself, but the brash, trash-talking type doesn't bother me provided the guy doing it can - and does - back it up. I've no problem with Jarrell Miller shooting his mouth off, he is busy fighting guys around him in the rankings. Wilder has a good resume if he were just another top contender, but a world champion is expected to face the best around and with the exception of Ortiz, Wilder has not done much of that these past 3 years, and his opposition has been unimpressive as long as he's been a pro.

His management team seem to be complete shite. The way he's been promoted is abysmal, and it doesn't seem like they trust him to beat quality opposition (although I was hopeful that might change after him having seen off Ortiz). Take the latest situation: Hearn has offered US$ 12,5m which is probably close to what Deontay has earned in his career so far all added together. Team Wilder know Joshua has 30 days to come to terms with Povetkin's people, but there doesn't seem to be any urgency on their part to respond to that offer. I'm hoping that is because they are meeting Hearn in NY tomorrow and would rather sort it out face to face, rather than them not really wanting the fight, just the publicity that attaches to verbally trashing Joshua.

Badhusker wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 18:19 Team Wilder sent a 50 million$ offer to team Joshua. We'll see who wants to fight now and who doesn't.
Read it on BS.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑19 Apr 2018, 16:41

Kalan wrote: ↑19 Apr 2018, 15:33

actjac wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 15:43 This is ridiculous. . . .Ali vs Frazier was 50/50. . . .Ali vs Foreman was 50/50. . . .Cooney vs Holmes was 50/50. . .

Both fighters were equal draws in those fights... Foreman was the undefeated Heavyweight Champion... Ali was the twice defeated challenger... (Deontay is already as old as Ali was for the Foreman fight) ... Joshua will be doing 90% of the draw for Joshua-Wilder... Wilder will be making 10 X what he ever made... Joshua might double what he ever made... You can't give Wilder a split... Offer him a flat fee... 70% of Brits will be watching... 5% of Americans will watch.

The largest British boxing ppv in history was
1.2 million buys.
Conservative figures would put a minimum
1 million USA Ppv buys for this fight.
And American ppv cost a hell of a lot more than they do in Britain.
This fight is not as easy to base percentage off of as most fights. Regardless of what the majority thinks.