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Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 20:35

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 08:38

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 04:58

Stoppage percentage =/= power. Since most are premature stoppages or standing stoppages.

In terms of concussive power (putting opponent's to sleep), Gassiev and Breidis have equal, or even greater power than AJ or Wilder.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent like Gassiev knocked out Jordan Shimmell with a single punch.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent as brutally as Breidis knocked out Manuel Charr.

Takam's face was rearranged by Joshua. But Takam was literally put to sleep by fat blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin. So go figure!

Deontay Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas in 11 rounds. Fat, blown up light heavyweight / cruiser weight Alexander Povetkin put that same Duhaupas to sleep. So again, go figure!

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

You need to get informed instead of just spewing garbage.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 08:38

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 04:58

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 02:44

What terrible logic.

Hardest hitters currently are Gassiev and Briedis? What on earth are you basing that on? The hardest hitters are Wilder and Joshua, and their records support that.

And I'll assume that you didn't see Takam's face after the Joshua fight. I would suggest how Takam's face was rearranged, Joshua is not as feather fisted as you think.

Stoppage percentage =/= power. Since most are premature stoppages or standing stoppages.

In terms of concussive power (putting opponent's to sleep), Gassiev and Breidis have equal, or even greater power than AJ or Wilder.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent like Gassiev knocked out Jordan Shimmell with a single punch.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent as brutally as Breidis knocked out Manuel Charr.

Takam's face was rearranged by Joshua. But Takam was literally put to sleep by fat blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin. So go figure!

Deontay Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas in 11 rounds. Fat, blown up light heavyweight / cruiser weight Alexander Povetkin put that same Duhaupas to sleep. So again, go figure!

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 05:39

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 04:58

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 02:44

What terrible logic.

Hardest hitters currently are Gassiev and Briedis? What on earth are you basing that on? The hardest hitters are Wilder and Joshua, and their records support that.

And I'll assume that you didn't see Takam's face after the Joshua fight. I would suggest how Takam's face was rearranged, Joshua is not as feather fisted as you think.

Stoppage percentage =/= power. Since most are premature stoppages or standing stoppages.

In terms of concussive power (putting opponent's to sleep), Gassiev and Breidis have equal, or even greater power than AJ or Wilder.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent like Gassiev knocked out Jordan Shimmell with a single punch.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent as brutally as Breidis knocked out Manuel Charr.

Takam's face was rearranged by Joshua. But Takam was literally put to sleep by fat blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin. So go figure!

Deontay Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas in 11 rounds. Fat, blown up light heavyweight / cruiser weight Alexander Povetkin put that same Duhaupas to sleep. So again, go figure!

The degree of delusion on this board at times is bemusing.

1) Since when is the number of people knocked unconscious the independent factor in defining power? Not to say the actual landing of concussive punches, which actually results in a stoppage.

2) I'm of the belief that if Joshua was fighting CWs, there would be a higher degree of 'unconscious' fighters. Unless of course the smaller the fighter gets, the more punch resistance they gain...

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 05:17

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 08:38

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 04:58

Stoppage percentage =/= power. Since most are premature stoppages or standing stoppages.

In terms of concussive power (putting opponent's to sleep), Gassiev and Breidis have equal, or even greater power than AJ or Wilder.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent like Gassiev knocked out Jordan Shimmell with a single punch.

AJ has never knocked out a single opponent as brutally as Breidis knocked out Manuel Charr.

Takam's face was rearranged by Joshua. But Takam was literally put to sleep by fat blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin. So go figure!

Deontay Wilder failed to even drop Johann Duhaupas in 11 rounds. Fat, blown up light heavyweight / cruiser weight Alexander Povetkin put that same Duhaupas to sleep. So again, go figure!

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

I'm arguing that Gassiev and Breidis have as much power to do what Joshua and Wilder can do at the very least, if not even more.

Both Joshua and Wilder have overrated power! No evidence at all that they necessarily punch with more force / power than Gassiev or Breidis. Be it on average, or at maximum.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 08:02

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 05:17

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 08:38

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

I'm arguing that Gassiev and Breidis have as much power to do what Joshua and Wilder can do at the very least, if not even more.

Both Joshua and Wilder have overrated power! No evidence at all that they necessarily punch with more force / power than Gassiev or Breidis. Be it on average, or at maximum.

lol stop trolling. Gassiev to KO Wlad? Ok then mate

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 08:39

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 08:02

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 05:17

I'm arguing that Gassiev and Breidis have as much power to do what Joshua and Wilder can do at the very least, if not even more.

Both Joshua and Wilder have overrated power! No evidence at all that they necessarily punch with more force / power than Gassiev or Breidis. Be it on average, or at maximum.

lol stop trolling. Gassiev to KO Wlad? Ok then mate

41 year old, washed up, 2 year inactive weak chinned Wladimir Klitschko? Sure! Very much possible!

You are aware that this Wladimir Klitschko was stopped multiple times before facing Joshua, and also in far less time / rounds by other boxers than what Joshua needed in order to prematurely TKO a weak chinned, old, washed up Wladimir Klitschko?

Even Corrie Sanders brutally stopped a prime Wladimir Klitschko in just 2 rounds over 10 years ago. So what's so impressive about Joshua prematurely stopping and TKO'ing a 41 year old, washed up, 2 year inactive Wladimir Klitschko? Exactly nothing!

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 08:45

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 08:39

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 08:02

lol stop trolling. Gassiev to KO Wlad? Ok then mate

41 year old, washed up, 2 year inactive weak chinned Wladimir Klitschko? Sure! Very much possible!

You are aware that this Wladimir Klitschko was stopped multiple times before facing Joshua, and also in far less time / rounds by other boxers than what Joshua needed in order to prematurely TKO a weak chinned, old, washed up Wladimir Klitschko?

Even Corrie Sanders brutally stopped a prime Wladimir Klitschko in just 2 rounds over 10 years ago. So what's so impressive about Joshua prematurely stopping and TKO'ing a 41 year old, washed up, 2 year inactive Wladimir Klitschko? Exactly nothing!

Yep... what 10 years before? That's relevant. Love being told things by people with literally zero real experience of boxing

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 08:48

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 08:45

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 08:39

41 year old, washed up, 2 year inactive weak chinned Wladimir Klitschko? Sure! Very much possible!

You are aware that this Wladimir Klitschko was stopped multiple times before facing Joshua, and also in far less time / rounds by other boxers than what Joshua needed in order to prematurely TKO a weak chinned, old, washed up Wladimir Klitschko?

Even Corrie Sanders brutally stopped a prime Wladimir Klitschko in just 2 rounds over 10 years ago. So what's so impressive about Joshua prematurely stopping and TKO'ing a 41 year old, washed up, 2 year inactive Wladimir Klitschko? Exactly nothing!

Yep... what 10 years before? That's relevant. Love being told things by people with literally zero real experience of boxing

Yes, it was relevant because Wladimir Klitschko was in his prime 10 years ago. It's 41 year old Wladimir Klitschko that is irrelevant because he was washed up and inactive.

Joshua needed 11 rounds to TKO Wlad on his feet because he doesn't perhaps hit as hard as you think?

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 05:07

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 15:18

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 08:38

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

Considering punching power, Joshua and Wilder are among the top 5, absolutely. Period.
After Wlad and Haye had been retired, Gassiev might be among the top 10, Briedis, too.

That's the biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard. Whyte, Parker, Dubois, Ortiz, Price, Povetkin all easily hit harder

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 05:10

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 20:35

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 08:38

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

You need to get informed instead of just spewing garbage.

I've been in the ring with Cruisers and genuine HW's. You're talking utter sh1t

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 08:02

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 05:17

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 08:38

You're seriously arguing Bredis' power over AJ and Wilder? Go take a long nap ffs

I'm arguing that Gassiev and Breidis have as much power to do what Joshua and Wilder can do at the very least, if not even more.

Both Joshua and Wilder have overrated power! No evidence at all that they necessarily punch with more force / power than Gassiev or Breidis. Be it on average, or at maximum.

lol stop trolling. Gassiev to KO Wlad? Ok then mate

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 02:01

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 05:10

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 20:35

You need to get informed instead of just spewing garbage.

I've been in the ring with Cruisers and genuine HW's. You're talking utter sh1t

So you've been in the ring with Wilder, Gassiev, Briedis, and Joshua. Yeah, I'm sure the run of the mill journeyman and amateur hits as hard as the biggest punchers in boxing.

FruitStealer wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 04:16 Any boxer at 190 pounds has the potential to hit as hard as any HW.

FruitStealer wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 04:16 Any boxer at 190 pounds has the potential to hit as hard as any HW.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 05:18

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 05:39
The degree of delusion on this board at times is bemusing.

1) Since when is the number of people knocked unconscious the independent factor in defining power? Not to say the actual landing of concussive punches, which actually results in a stoppage.

2) I'm of the belief that if Joshua was fighting CWs, there would be a higher degree of 'unconscious' fighters. Unless of course the smaller the fighter gets, the more punch resistance they gain...

Concussive knockout = most damage inflicted upon opponent. Most damage inflicted upon opponent = evidence of greatest amount of power.

Fat, chubby, pudgy and blown up light heavyweight Alexander Povetkin put Carlos Takam to sleep and knocked him out unconscious whilst Takam was still in his prime. Whilst Joshua couldn't KO Takam unconscious, even a few years after Takam was already knocked out unconscious and even more faded / past his best than when he faced Povetkin. So spare me the idea that Joshua will KO more opponents unconscious if he was fighting cruiser weights.

Joshua has already faced cruiser weight sized heavyweights / small heavyweights. And even bums, some who are as big as your average cruiser weight and / or on the same level in terms of quality or at times, even worse. But Joshua to this day, has never KO'ed a single opponent totally unconscious. So what's the excuse here?

Joshua fought Denis Bakhtov. A fat, 5'11, blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight. Couldn't even drop him in 2 rounds once, despite landing powerful punches. Needed a standing, premature TKO stoppage.

On the other hand, a 6 foot 0, cruiser weight sized / small heavyweight in Evgeny Romanov literally dropped the same Denis Bakhtov thrice in just the first round alone with seemingly arm punches. So if Joshua supposedly hits as hard as you claim or somehow hits significantly harder than cruiser weight power punchers like Gassiev or Breidis, then why couldn't he even KO those guys unconscious or at least, more brutally than those two small heavyweights / cruiser weight sized heavyweights did?

Answer: Joshua's power is overrated and he really doesn't hit that hard

If Joshua hit as hard as you claim, he wouldn't have failed to KO Takam unconscious when blown up light heavyweight Povetkin put a better version of Takam to sleep alreayd.

If Joshua hit as hard as you claim, he wouldn't have failed to drop Denis Bakhtov even once in 2 rounds, when small, 6 foot 0 light heavyweight / cruiser weight dropped the same Bakhtov thrice in just the first round.

If Joshua hit as hard as you claim, he wouldn't have failed to KO a single opponent unconscious (including bums and journeymen) once out of 21 fights.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 06:27

FruitStealer wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 04:16 Any boxer at 190 pounds has the potential to hit as hard as any HW.

Ok using this stupid logic, AJ weighs 250ish. So if any 190 fighter can punch as hard as a 250er, then that means any Welter can punch as hard as a cruiser and any minimumweight fighter can punch as hard as any welter fighter who can punch as hard as any cruiser who can punch as hard as any Heavyweight. You're logic is literally the dumbest I've heard of any boxing discussion ever

Fvck me this thread is shot of intelligence

FruitStealer wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 06:44

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 06:27

FruitStealer wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 04:16 Any boxer at 190 pounds has the potential to hit as hard as any HW.

Ok using this stupid logic, AJ weighs 250ish. So if any 190 fighter can punch as hard as a 250er, then that means any Welter can punch as hard as a cruiser and any minimumweight fighter can punch as hard as any welter fighter who can punch as hard as any cruiser who can punch as hard as any Heavyweight. You're logic is literally the dumbest I've heard of any boxing discussion ever

Fvck me this thread is shot of intelligence

Force=mass*acceleration

Theres one point when the added weight doesnt make you more powerful, and it can be even detrimental in boxing mechanics and speed.
200 lbs is maybe the optimum point for both for most boxers.


So, by your logic, the more weight, the more punching power, right? ooook.

So Tyson fury and fat boxers should be knocking out guys with one single shot.

FruitStealer wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 06:44

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 06:27

FruitStealer wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 04:16 Any boxer at 190 pounds has the potential to hit as hard as any HW.

Ok using this stupid logic, AJ weighs 250ish. So if any 190 fighter can punch as hard as a 250er, then that means any Welter can punch as hard as a cruiser and any minimumweight fighter can punch as hard as any welter fighter who can punch as hard as any cruiser who can punch as hard as any Heavyweight. You're logic is literally the dumbest I've heard of any boxing discussion ever

Fvck me this thread is shot of intelligence

Force=mass*acceleration

Theres one point when the added weight doesnt make you more powerful, and it can be even detrimental in boxing mechanics and speed.
200 lbs is maybe the optimum point for both for most boxers.


So, by your logic, the more weight, the more punching power, right? ooook.

So Tyson fury and fat boxers should be knocking out guys with one single shot.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 06:40

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 05:18

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 05:39
The degree of delusion on this board at times is bemusing.

1) Since when is the number of people knocked unconscious the independent factor in defining power? Not to say the actual landing of concussive punches, which actually results in a stoppage.

2) I'm of the belief that if Joshua was fighting CWs, there would be a higher degree of 'unconscious' fighters. Unless of course the smaller the fighter gets, the more punch resistance they gain...

Concussive knockout = most damage inflicted upon opponent. Most damage inflicted upon opponent = evidence of greatest amount of power.

Fat, chubby, pudgy and blown up light heavyweight Alexander Povetkin put Carlos Takam to sleep and knocked him out unconscious whilst Takam was still in his prime. Whilst Joshua couldn't KO Takam unconscious, even a few years after Takam was already knocked out unconscious and even more faded / past his best than when he faced Povetkin. So spare me the idea that Joshua will KO more opponents unconscious if he was fighting cruiser weights.

Joshua has already faced cruiser weight sized heavyweights / small heavyweights. And even bums, some who are as big as your average cruiser weight and / or on the same level in terms of quality or at times, even worse. But Joshua to this day, has never KO'ed a single opponent totally unconscious. So what's the excuse here?

Joshua fought Denis Bakhtov. A fat, 5'11, blown up cruiser weight / light heavyweight. Couldn't even drop him in 2 rounds once, despite landing powerful punches. Needed a standing, premature TKO stoppage.

On the other hand, a 6 foot 0, cruiser weight sized / small heavyweight in Evgeny Romanov literally dropped the same Denis Bakhtov thrice in just the first round alone with seemingly arm punches. So if Joshua supposedly hits as hard as you claim or somehow hits significantly harder than cruiser weight power punchers like Gassiev or Breidis, then why couldn't he even KO those guys unconscious or at least, more brutally than those two small heavyweights / cruiser weight sized heavyweights did?

Answer: Joshua's power is overrated and he really doesn't hit that hard

If Joshua hit as hard as you claim, he wouldn't have failed to KO Takam unconscious when blown up light heavyweight Povetkin put a better version of Takam to sleep alreayd.

If Joshua hit as hard as you claim, he wouldn't have failed to drop Denis Bakhtov even once in 2 rounds, when small, 6 foot 0 light heavyweight / cruiser weight dropped the same Bakhtov thrice in just the first round.

If Joshua hit as hard as you claim, he wouldn't have failed to KO a single opponent unconscious (including bums and journeymen) once out of 21 fights.

There's a few things you fail to address here, and they're quite significant factors, in particularly to the case surrounding the Joshua v Takam fight. Joshua took that fight at a week's notice.

Secondly, Povetkin did not knock Takam unconscious. He knocked him flat out, but he was conscious.

If Breidis is such a devastating puncher, why does he only have a 75% KO ratio? And Gassiev only 73%? Why are these guys taken the distance against absolute Joe Nobody's?

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 07:42

FruitStealer wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 06:44

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 06:27

Ok using this stupid logic, AJ weighs 250ish. So if any 190 fighter can punch as hard as a 250er, then that means any Welter can punch as hard as a cruiser and any minimumweight fighter can punch as hard as any welter fighter who can punch as hard as any cruiser who can punch as hard as any Heavyweight. You're logic is literally the dumbest I've heard of any boxing discussion ever

Fvck me this thread is shot of intelligence

Force=mass*acceleration

Theres one point when the added weight doesnt make you more powerful, and it can be even detrimental in boxing mechanics and speed.
200 lbs is maybe the optimum point for both for most boxers.


So, by your logic, the more weight, the more punching power, right? ooook.

So Tyson fury and fat boxers should be knocking out guys with one single shot.

Complete an utter, well research, non-scientific, non-proven, non-fact

FruitStealer wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 08:13

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 07:42

FruitStealer wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 06:44

Force=mass*acceleration

Theres one point when the added weight doesnt make you more powerful, and it can be even detrimental in boxing mechanics and speed.
200 lbs is maybe the optimum point for both for most boxers.


So, by your logic, the more weight, the more punching power, right? ooook.

So Tyson fury and fat boxers should be knocking out guys with one single shot.

Complete an utter, well research, non-scientific, non-proven, non-fact

Alright.
You didnt prove the contrary.

Pass certain point, more mass doesnt mean more ko or punching power.

FruitStealer wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 06:44

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 06:27

FruitStealer wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 04:16 Any boxer at 190 pounds has the potential to hit as hard as any HW.

Ok using this stupid logic, AJ weighs 250ish. So if any 190 fighter can punch as hard as a 250er, then that means any Welter can punch as hard as a cruiser and any minimumweight fighter can punch as hard as any welter fighter who can punch as hard as any cruiser who can punch as hard as any Heavyweight. You're logic is literally the dumbest I've heard of any boxing discussion ever

Fvck me this thread is shot of intelligence

Force=mass*acceleration

Theres one point when the added weight doesnt make you more powerful, and it can be even detrimental in boxing mechanics and speed.
200 lbs is maybe the optimum point for both for most boxers.


So, by your logic, the more weight, the more punching power, right? ooook.

So Tyson fury and fat boxers should be knocking out guys with one single shot.