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diddy wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:52 I would bet my life savings on Spence against Mikey. And Mikey is great but there are levels to this. Spence is a beast. Garcia doesnt have the physicality or athleticism to beat Spence. It's just too stupid. He's too small. This guy was at 126. This is dumb.

Evander wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:55

diddy wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:52 I would bet my life savings on Spence against Mikey. And Mikey is great but there are levels to this. Spence is a beast. Garcia doesnt have the physicality or athleticism to beat Spence. It's just too stupid. He's too small. This guy was at 126. This is dumb.

At this point I'd tend to agree but Garcia has a good team who seem open to constructive criticism and would likely plug some holes.
Nevertheless there is a question mark on Garcia's power due to the amount of right hands through the guard that piled up points but did very little serious damage.

Evander wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:44

SenorPipino wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:38 Isn't it great to be predictable....and still win in lopsided fashion?

I had it 118-109 Garcia.

Seemed disinterested at times. Never really felt threatened.

It maybe nice now but if I were a potential opponent there's plenty of things to take advantage of.
Don't get me wrong Garcia won clean but at the top level there are higher expectations because there are boxers who can take advantage of these weaknesses.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:57

Evander wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:55

diddy wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:52 I would bet my life savings on Spence against Mikey. And Mikey is great but there are levels to this. Spence is a beast. Garcia doesnt have the physicality or athleticism to beat Spence. It's just too stupid. He's too small. This guy was at 126. This is dumb.

At this point I'd tend to agree but Garcia has a good team who seem open to constructive criticism and would likely plug some holes.
Nevertheless there is a question mark on Garcia's power due to the amount of right hands through the guard that piled up points but did very little serious damage.

What question mark? Easter was on his bike throughout the fight not wanting to get stopped. Mikey wobbled him everytime he threw with any authority.

Evander wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 01:03

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:57

Evander wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:55

At this point I'd tend to agree but Garcia has a good team who seem open to constructive criticism and would likely plug some holes.
Nevertheless there is a question mark on Garcia's power due to the amount of right hands through the guard that piled up points but did very little serious damage.

What question mark? Easter was on his bike throughout the fight not wanting to get stopped. Mikey wobbled him everytime he threw with any authority.

Yeah Easter was on his bike that's true but Garcia had managed to assert himself and figured out how to launch and score many of his head shots.
My two points are why were the head shots not so effective and why when it was clear that these shots were not effective by themselves did he not back it up with a body attack.
Had he done that he'd have taken out Easter inside the distance.

NateJR wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:59

Evander wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:44

SenorPipino wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:38 Isn't it great to be predictable....and still win in lopsided fashion?

I had it 118-109 Garcia.

Seemed disinterested at times. Never really felt threatened.

It maybe nice now but if I were a potential opponent there's plenty of things to take advantage of.
Don't get me wrong Garcia won clean but at the top level there are higher expectations because there are boxers who can take advantage of these weaknesses.

I agree with you to a degree, but I don't think Mikey showed all his dimensions in this fight. He didn't have to fight a cerebral type fight where multiple game plans had to come into play. Once he got his range and timing down, Easter made no adjustments so Mikey just stuck to what was working.

If I was Mikey, I'd be happy with the results. He might not be happy with some of the things he did when he goes back and looks at the tape, but we know Mikey is capable of fighting a much more disciplined fight and has a lot more dimensions in his game than what we saw tonight. Mikey just didn't need them with the opponent he had in front of him.

You also have to give credit to Easter and his style. He's a long rangy guy and he forced Mikey to go out of his comfort zone and be the aggressor rather than a counter puncher. In a lot of ways Easter forced a dimension out of Garcia that we aren't really used to seeing and he still managed to win comfortably.

I don't disagree thought. Garcia looked a bit bored in there and one dimensional at times, even when he was being one dimensional he was well in control of the fight and winning most rounds relatively easily.

Evander wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 01:07

NateJR wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:59

Evander wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:44

It maybe nice now but if I were a potential opponent there's plenty of things to take advantage of.
Don't get me wrong Garcia won clean but at the top level there are higher expectations because there are boxers who can take advantage of these weaknesses.

I agree with you to a degree, but I don't think Mikey showed all his dimensions in this fight. He didn't have to fight a cerebral type fight where multiple game plans had to come into play. Once he got his range and timing down, Easter made no adjustments so Mikey just stuck to what was working.

If I was Mikey, I'd be happy with the results. He might not be happy with some of the things he did when he goes back and looks at the tape, but we know Mikey is capable of fighting a much more disciplined fight and has a lot more dimensions in his game than what we saw tonight. Mikey just didn't need them with the opponent he had in front of him.

You also have to give credit to Easter and his style. He's a long rangy guy and he forced Mikey to go out of his comfort zone and be the aggressor rather than a counter puncher. In a lot of ways Easter forced a dimension out of Garcia that we aren't really used to seeing and he still managed to win comfortably.

I don't disagree thought. Garcia looked a bit bored in there and one dimensional at times, even when he was being one dimensional he was well in control of the fight and winning most rounds relatively easily.

No doubt he was winning the rounds I had him up 11-1 so there was no question numbers wise he was dominant.
I don't know I look for all flaws and how others can take advantage of them, considering we know Mikey Garcia will be in much bigger fights down the road there is cause for concern.
Perhaps a bit premature on my part but I'm looking down the road and what may lay in store for him.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 01:07

Evander wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 01:03

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:57

What question mark? Easter was on his bike throughout the fight not wanting to get stopped. Mikey wobbled him everytime he threw with any authority.

Yeah Easter was on his bike that's true but Garcia had managed to assert himself and figured out how to launch and score many of his head shots.
My two points are why were the head shots not so effective and why when it was clear that these shots were not effective by themselves did he not back it up with a body attack.
Had he done that he'd have taken out Easter inside the distance.

Eh, he won a lopsided decision. Mikey is too methodical to really force a KO, but his power is for real. Easter's legs were wobbling anytime Mikey threw a serious punch. Easter was just happy to survive. If he tried to fight like he did in the 9th, I think it was, he would've gotten stopped.

Mikey has issues when his opponent doesn't want to engage. He had the same issue against Burgos. Tall-rangy guys that come to survive will make most every fighter look bad.

Remember, Mikey is more of an elite counterpuncher than a pressure fighter. Mikey can stalk with authority, but it isn't in his nature to pursue fighters.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 01:11

Evander wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 01:07

NateJR wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:59


I agree with you to a degree, but I don't think Mikey showed all his dimensions in this fight. He didn't have to fight a cerebral type fight where multiple game plans had to come into play. Once he got his range and timing down, Easter made no adjustments so Mikey just stuck to what was working.

If I was Mikey, I'd be happy with the results. He might not be happy with some of the things he did when he goes back and looks at the tape, but we know Mikey is capable of fighting a much more disciplined fight and has a lot more dimensions in his game than what we saw tonight. Mikey just didn't need them with the opponent he had in front of him.

You also have to give credit to Easter and his style. He's a long rangy guy and he forced Mikey to go out of his comfort zone and be the aggressor rather than a counter puncher. In a lot of ways Easter forced a dimension out of Garcia that we aren't really used to seeing and he still managed to win comfortably.

I don't disagree thought. Garcia looked a bit bored in there and one dimensional at times, even when he was being one dimensional he was well in control of the fight and winning most rounds relatively easily.

No doubt he was winning the rounds I had him up 11-1 so there was no question numbers wise he was dominant.
I don't know I look for all flaws and how others can take advantage of them, considering we know Mikey Garcia will be in much bigger fights down the road there is cause for concern.
Perhaps a bit premature on my part but I'm looking down the road and what may lay in store for him.

I honestly think the only one that is a stylistic nightmare for Garcia is Crawford. I actually think that's his poison where I think he has a chance against Spence Jr., honestly.

Evander wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:44

SenorPipino wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 00:38 Isn't it great to be predictable....and still win in lopsided fashion?

I had it 118-109 Garcia.

Seemed disinterested at times. Never really felt threatened.

It maybe nice now but if I were a potential opponent there's plenty of things to take advantage of.
Don't get me wrong Garcia won clean but at the top level there are higher expectations because there are boxers who can take advantage of these weaknesses.