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jamamb wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 15:44 jesus, on what basis does a guy like that even get noticed by the wba

He’s had his fights in Mexico.

God knows how they find them.

No seriously, can anyone shed a bit of light on the dealings that might go on to find a guy like lovejoy at rank 15? It's just un... in... i'm missing words for it, for real! Obviously some $ changes hands, but whose? How much? Why? And who is profiting from a idiotic ranking like that, is it really that lovejoys handlers pay to get a shot at some half decent who knows, who (if half decent) would blast away their guy anyways? It's just so obvious corrupt, it's crazy? Please explain?

adislav123 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 07:46 No seriously, can anyone shed a bit of light on the dealings that might go on to find a guy like lovejoy at rank 15? It's just un... in... i'm missing words for it, for real! Obviously some $ changes hands, but whose? How much? Why? And who is profiting from a idiotic ranking like that, is it really that lovejoys handlers pay to get a shot at some half decent who knows, who (if half decent) would blast away their guy anyways? It's just so obvious corrupt, it's crazy? Please explain?

He is, or was a Mayweather guy:

Absolutely no idea how else they would'e even had the time of day to look into him

adislav123 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 07:46 No seriously, can anyone shed a bit of light on the dealings that might go on to find a guy like lovejoy at rank 15? It's just un... in... i'm missing words for it, for real! Obviously some $ changes hands, but whose? How much? Why? And who is profiting from a idiotic ranking like that, is it really that lovejoys handlers pay to get a shot at some half decent who knows, who (if half decent) would blast away their guy anyways? It's just so obvious corrupt, it's crazy? Please explain?

If he wanted to, Joshua could pick to fight him as a voluntary. Fückin ell..

@ adislav123 Not me I'm afraid. My questions are your questions.

I often used to wonder who is to blame for the existence of the corrupt, self-serving, governing bodies. I used to think: "If fans would just ignore them, deny them the oxygen of publicity, they'd just wither and die". I believe now that I was barking up the wrong tree, and the fans are powerless to change anything.

No, the real culprits are the boxers themselves, chasing shiny trinkets, greedy for a belt no matter which bunch of scumbags it represents. We have occasionally seen boxers - usually megastars - make a stand, and decline the WBX's "special commemorative belt" (Yours for just a small fortune er I mean, fee) but I think it needs more fighters to act like Dillian Whyte and say a fuckyou to the WBC trying to make him fight Ortiz in order to be next mandatory after Breazeale some time in 2020 - they haven't even called Breazeale's mandatory yet, the bunch of ferkin crooks, and another fuckyou to the IBF declining to go to Bulgaria to take on Pulev for 25% of not a lot.

Instead he and Parker made very good money in a meaningful match which fans didn't need any shitty organisation to tell them it was a serious showdown.

Ok it only works if you've got the muscle of someone like Matchroom/Skysports to make that possible because it's not an option without powerful friends, and that is probably why nothing is likely to change and why arseholes like Sulaiman think they are untouchable and answerable to no one,

(except Haymon and King of course - they have the negatives of him with the donkey )

actjac wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 11:49 Bryan is a talent and on the way up having won a version of the WBA heavyweight title. . . .Takam and Chisora are gatekeepers now while the others are in the way up while these two are not.. . . .As far as Usyk I do not see him competing as a Cruiser again and in fact will fight Bellew as a heavyweight albeit around 210-215.

Chisora arguably beat Whyte, who you have at 4. Even in a close loss, that performance combined with stopping Takam is far better than anything Bryan has done. Takam may be a gatekeeper these days, but that's still a good 2 or 3 levels above BJ Flores. If Bryan is on the way up, he needs to get a move on. 20 fights in, and he's yet to face anyone in the top 100. That's not the mark of a fringe contender. Not by a long shot.

Usyk vs Bellew will happen at 200. Hearn said in an interview that Bellew is already in the gym, because he needs the time to make the weight properly. It's his retirement fight, and he wants to go out as an undisputed champion. He's earned his money vs Haye. This is about prestige. It's the only fight he's interested in, because of those 4 belts. Tony won't take the fight if it's anything above 200.

might as well have chris lovejoy up there too since he has a wba ranking and is unbeaten

Maybe Bryan could beat Takam or Chisora. How could anybody know, he's beaten nobody of any quality in the whole time he's been professional? He certainly doesn't deserve a top 15 ranking, probably not a top 20, and making him number one is an absolute ferkin joke.

I think I see the purpose of the WBA's existence. It's to deflect attention from how bloody awful the WBC are. The WBA actually manage to make the WBC appear better than shite and that takes some doing.

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 04:05

I think I see the purpose of the WBA's existence. It's to deflect attention from how bloody awful the WBC are. The WBA actually manage to make the WBC appear better than shite and that takes some doing.

They are all crap. But I say the WBA is by far the worst

I'm predicting a Joe Joyce vs Chris Lovejoy announcement soon

That would be cruel.

I'd actually like to know what he genuinely thinks of his newfound status.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 08:07

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 04:05

I think I see the purpose of the WBA's existence. It's to deflect attention from how bloody awful the WBC are. The WBA actually manage to make the WBC appear better than shite and that takes some doing.

They are all crap. But I say the WBA is by far the worst

Definitely. I'd say the IBF is the best or should I say the least appalling. In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is King.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 08:23

OMFG!

He’s only had twelve bouts, but:

• Five of his opponents had never previously competed in the pro ranks, so they were making their debut.
• The other seven journeymen he faced had a combined record of only 25 victories from a grand total of 113 bouts (a 22% win rate).
• Based on the resumes of his opponents that he faced during his last six outings, only two of them had ever won a pro fight.

What on earth are the WBA thinking?

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 08:55 That would be cruel.

I'd actually like to know what he genuinely thinks of his newfound status.

Ummm...

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 08:57
What on earth are the WBA thinking?

When's the last time Guillermo Jones fought?

would love to see the wba justify ranking a guy like that, i know they rank lots of poor unproven fighters but this is a whole nother level

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 09:12

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 08:57
What on earth are the WBA thinking?

When's the last time Guillermo Jones fought?

I agree. Guillermo Jones' ranking is unreasonably high, but he is more deserving of his rating than the appalling resume of Christopher Lovejoy.

The WBA is a vile rancid organisation.

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 09:33 would love to see the wba justify ranking a guy like that, i know they rank lots of poor unproven fighters but this is a whole nother level

Tweet them.

I haerd they actuallt reply.

What sickens me is neither the WBA nor the WBC seem to feel the slightest pressure to justify themselves or bother to disguise their monumental corruption. They just don't give a f ...

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 11:37 What sickens me is neither the WBA nor the WBC seem to feel the slightest pressure to justify themselves or bother to disguise their monumental corruption. They just don't give a f ...

It's down to the boxers to chase the money rather than the belts, refuse sanctioning fees and try to get to the top of more accurate third-party ranking systems i guess. I think the Whyte situation in the summer proved that some boxers are starting to go for money over potential title-shots, and more and more boxers are mentioning Boxrec rankings to justify their matchups. Just need boxers to refuse the sanctioning fees for belts other than the IBO which often gets dropped.

WBN have picked this up..

https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018090 ... t-rankings

joshj909 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 11:50

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 11:37 What sickens me is neither the WBA nor the WBC seem to feel the slightest pressure to justify themselves or bother to disguise their monumental corruption. They just don't give a f ...

It's down to the boxers to chase the money rather than the belts, refuse sanctioning fees and try to get to the top of more accurate third-party ranking systems i guess. I think the Whyte situation in the summer proved that some boxers are starting to go for money over potential title-shots, and more and more boxers are mentioning Boxrec rankings to justify their matchups. Just need boxers to refuse the sanctioning fees for belts other than the IBO which often gets dropped.

Yes this is what I said on this page yesterday but Dillian is in a somewhat privileged position because he's British which means you're going to get support from your compatriots if you show a bit of promise anyway but add to that his big personality, bring 'em all on attitude, and improving ability, and you got a very popular fighter making his way in UK PPV with serious backing from Matchroom/Skysports as AJ's understudy.

In fairness his cocking-a-snook at the WBC and IBF is a far more viable option. I imagine if Luis Ortiz gave the metaphorical finger to the WBC and told them he was not going to fight any kind of eliminator against Whyte, that might well be career over.

I look at Eddie Hearn with a mixture of admiration and disgust. He is the consummate professional, refusing to condemn Sulaiman /the WBC as the vile corrupt scumbags that they are (making Breazeale mandatory despite promising not to, for the sole purpose of ensuring that Al Haymon's boy Wilder wouldn't have to fight whyte.), like I would have in his position thereby ensuring they would f... me over at every opportunity until the day I retire.

It offends me that he's not ranting about their contempt for their own rules, never mind fair play and justice, instead saying at every opportunity how they made a mistake in promising the shot to Breazeale, painting themselves into a corner which they are doing their best to make right (Bullsheeeeeeuuttt !)

He will probably never be admitted to the inner sanctum like Don King or Al Haymon but Sulaiman will have appreciated his playing the game, and Eddie will have earned some goodwill. It might not do anything to the benefit of Dillian Whyte but it won't do Eddie any harm. He plays the long game does young Mr Hearn.

UPDATE!!

1 Anthony Joshua - 21-0-0 (20)
2 Deontay Wilder - 40-0-0 (39)
3 Dillian Whyte - 24-1-0 (17)
4 Luis Ortiz - 29-1-0 (25)
5 Alexander Povetkin - 34-1-0 (24)
6 Jarrell Miller - 21-0-1 (18)
7 Dereck Chisora - 28-8-0 (21)
8 Tyson Fury - 27-0-0 (19)
9 Joseph Parker - 24-2-0 (18)
10 Adam Kownacki - 18-0-0 (14)*
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* New entry

Dominic Breazeale has been bumped out!

Your opinion of Chisora seems to have taken an upturn, assuming they are your own rankings. I got the impression you thought he was a bit sh1t (having seen nothing worthy of praise in his performance against Takam)