Best Heavyweight outside the Top 10 TBRB

[Ruthless-RKO]

1 Anthony Joshua 21-0-0 (20)
2 Deontay Wilder 40-0-0 (39)
3 Dillian Whyte 24-1-0 (17)
4 Luis Ortiz 29-1-0 (25)
5 Alexander Povetkin 34-1-0 (24)
6 Jarrell Miller 21-0-1 (18)
7 Dereck Chisora 28-8-0 (21)
8 Tyson Fury 27-0-0 (19)
9 Joseph Parker 24-2-0 (18)
10 Dominic Breazeale 19-1-0 (17)
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[Enlightened-One]

In no particular order, possible names include: Adam Kownacki, Bryant Jennings, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr, Agit Kabayel, Tony Bellew, Carlos Takam...

I'm probably leaning towards Hughie Fury, but it's hard to pick a clear choice from this list.

[dagilechia]

11.Dereck Chisora
12.Adam Kownacki
13.Bryant Jennings
14.Mariusz Wach
15.Johann Duhaupas

[Enlightened-One]

11.Dereck Chisora
12.Adam Kownacki
13.Bryant Jennings
14.Mariusz Wach
15.Johann Duhaupas

According to the first post in this thread, Dereck Chisora is rated by TBRB as a top ten heavyweight.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The list above is actually a pretty decent list considering all the HW's currently.

Pulev is the only one missing but that is likely due to inactivity.

Also a question, considering these names, how many have actually fought each other?

By the end of the year, assuming all planned fights go ahead..

Joshua vs. Whyte (2015)*
Joshua vs. Povetkin (2018)
Joshua vs. Parker (2018)
Joshua vs. Breazeale (2016)*
*: Whyte and Breazeale were not ranked at the time

Wilder vs. Ortiz (2018)
Wilder vs. Fury (2018)

Whyte vs. Chisora (2016)*
Whyte vs. Parker (2018)
*: Neither was ranked at the time

Chisora vs. Fury (2011 & 2014)*
*: TBRB was created after 2011

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* Takam was only just knocked off the top 10.. He was ranked top 10 at the time he fought Joshua.
* Takam was ranked at the time he fought Chisora (who wasn't).
* At the time Parker and Ruiz fought for the vacant WBO title, they were both ranked.

[Ruthless-RKO]

In no particular order, possible names include: Adam Kownacki, Bryant Jennings, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr, Agit Kabayel, Tony Bellew, Carlos Takam...

I'm probably leaning towards Hughie Fury, but it's hard to pick a clear choice from this list.

Missed out Pulev?

What bout Wallin?

I agree.. The names you have listed haven't really that the most meaningful fights..

Kownacki is fighting Charles Martin soon
Jennings djust defeated Dimitrenko
Fury is fighting Pulev - the best fight outside of the top 10.
Ruiz is still making his slow comeback
Kabayel is attempting Euro level.
Bellew going back down to CW.
Takam just had a heavy KO loss.

[dagilechia]

11.Dereck Chisora
12.Adam Kownacki
13.Bryant Jennings
14.Mariusz Wach
15.Johann Duhaupas

According to the first post in this thread, Dereck Chisora is rated by TBRB as a top ten heavyweight.

Yeah i know, i just posted my personal ranking. Then, my choice is Pulev but i guess this ranking consider him as an inactive fighter, so my choice is Kownacki.

[Enlightened-One]

In no particular order, possible names include: Adam Kownacki, Bryant Jennings, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr, Agit Kabayel, Tony Bellew, Carlos Takam...

I'm probably leaning towards Hughie Fury, but it's hard to pick a clear choice from this list.

Missed out Pulev?

What bout Wallin?

To be perfectly honest with you, I completely forgot about Kubrat Pulev.

That being said, I feel that a 37½ year old inactive version of the Bulgarian that hasn’t delivered an impressive performance in 2½ years will "lose" his bout against Hughie Fury, even if he technically "wins" his fight against the Brit due to a hometown decision.

I might be proven wrong about this, perhaps Pulev is capable of winding back the clock, recapture his form of old and beat Fury in a comprehensive manner, but I really can’t see it happening. Who knows?

In terms of Otto Wallin, I honestly don’t know anything about the man.

His resume is littered with names that I’m unfamiliar with, but he was forced to go the ten round distance against the terribly awful and fragile Raphael Zumbano Love, which automatically excludes him from being considered as a borderline world class contender.

[Ruthless-RKO]

To be perfectly honest with you, I completely forgot about Kubrat Pulev.

That being said, I feel that a 37½ year old inactive version of the Bulgarian that hasn’t delivered an impressive performance in 2½ years will "lose" his bout against Hughie Fury, even if he technically "wins" his fight against the Brit due to a hometown decision.

I might be proven wrong about this, perhaps Pulev is capable of winding back the clock, recapture his form of old and beat Fury in a comprehensive manner, but I really can’t see it happening. Who knows?

Pulev is making out like he's in beast mode..

He recently said, “The fact that Hughie Fury is coming to Bulgaria when many others ran away speaks volumes. I understand that he is very motivated because this is an eliminator fight for a chance at the world title. I suggest he stops thinking about the world title for a moment and come prepared for a real battle. I am already in beast mode and I’m hungry for my return in the ring!”

In terms of Otto Wallin, I honestly don’t know anything about the man.

His resume is littered with names that I’m unfamiliar with, but he was forced to go the ten round distance against the terribly awful and fragile Raphael Zumbano Love, which automatically excludes him from being considered as a borderline world class contender.

Fair enough. I think he's still coming through the Euro ranks.

He did beat countryman Adrian Granat, however that win would have meant more if it was before Granat got KTFO by Dimitrenko in 1 round.

[Enlightened-One]

To be perfectly honest with you, I completely forgot about Kubrat Pulev.

That being said, I feel that a 37½ year old inactive version of the Bulgarian that hasn’t delivered an impressive performance in 2½ years will "lose" his bout against Hughie Fury, even if he technically "wins" his fight against the Brit due to a hometown decision.

I might be proven wrong about this, perhaps Pulev is capable of winding back the clock, recapture his form of old and beat Fury in a comprehensive manner, but I really can’t see it happening. Who knows?

Pulev is making out like he's in beast mode..

He recently said, “The fact that Hughie Fury is coming to Bulgaria when many others ran away speaks volumes. I understand that he is very motivated because this is an eliminator fight for a chance at the world title. I suggest he stops thinking about the world title for a moment and come prepared for a real battle. I am already in beast mode and I’m hungry for my return in the ring!”

For sure, Kubrat Pulev is saying all the right things – making the sort of promises that he’s supposed to make, but as we’ve seen with other veteran inactive fighters of the past that have suffered several injuries during the late stages of their career, such as David Haye, time waits for no man and words are meaningless.

Perhaps he really is capable of proving me wrong by “talking the talk and walking the walk”, but I have my doubts.

[candyslim]

At this moment I'm going to say Joe Joyce. Many heavyweights have a better claim to a top ten ranking but that wasn't the question was it?

[candyslim]

To be perfectly honest with you, I completely forgot about Kubrat Pulev.

That being said, I feel that a 37½ year old inactive version of the Bulgarian that hasn’t delivered an impressive performance in 2½ years will "lose" his bout against Hughie Fury, even if he technically "wins" his fight against the Brit due to a hometown decision.

I might be proven wrong about this, perhaps Pulev is capable of winding back the clock, recapture his form of old and beat Fury in a comprehensive manner, but I really can’t see it happening. Who knows?

Pulev is making out like he's in beast mode..

He recently said, “The fact that Hughie Fury is coming to Bulgaria when many others ran away speaks volumes. I understand that he is very motivated because this is an eliminator fight for a chance at the world title. I suggest he stops thinking about the world title for a moment and come prepared for a real battle. I am already in beast mode and I’m hungry for my return in the ring!”

For sure, Kubrat Pulev is saying all the right things – making the sort of promises that he’s supposed to make, but as we’ve seen with other veteran inactive fighters of the past that have suffered several injuries during the late stages of their career, such as David Haye, time waits for no man and words are meaningless.

Perhaps he really is capable of proving me wrong by “talking the talk and walking the walk”, but I have my doubts.

I agree. We've seen little of Pulev in recent times, and when we have he's usually been beating on fighters even further past their sell-by-date than he is. I predicted Hughie would lose an extremely dodgy decision, a week or two back.

As for "many ran away" he means Jarrell Miller and Dillian Whyte doesn't he -who else turned down a trip to Sofia?

Dillian Whyte made a goodly sum of money taking on Joseph Parker and establishing himself as a viable PPV star in the UK (provided he is matched well of course) instead and the 25% end of the winning purse bid wouldn't keep the Big Baby in cheeseburgers for a month.

Believe whatever you like Kubby me ol' mate, but I don't think either of these guys were running scared. Pulev reminds me of the mouse in the joke where unbeknown to the she-elephant who can feel nothing, the mouse is under her tail giving her what he sees as a damn good rogering.

It's a seriously hot day and she moves over to scratch her itchy hide on the bark of a palm tree and inadvertently dislodges a coconut from its uppermost branches. The elephant bellows in pain as the coconut hits her squarely on the head, and a tiny voice from somewhere under her tail calls out "Yeah, suffer baby!"

[TheBeast]

While i don't think his matches with the top10s would be easy, Oscar Rivas is worth mention... He is old, has eye problems but is also a gifted heavyweight with good hands, speed and decent pop.

[Sagaroth]

As for "many ran away" he means Jarrell Miller and Dillian Whyte doesn't he -who else turned down a trip to Sofia?

Dillian Whyte made a goodly sum of money taking on Joseph Parker and establishing himself as a viable PPV star in the UK (provided he is matched well of course) instead and the 25% end of the winning purse bid wouldn't keep the Big Baby in cheeseburgers for a month.

Dominic Angelo Breazeale also turn down the bout...

IMO will be easy win for Pulev.... I saw him training. He is already in really good shape. Hope he will deliver!

[gilgamesh]

Andy Ruiz Jr.

[candyslim]

Breazeale eh? If I knew I'd forgotten. It's conceivable Pulev is too skilled for him. I mean he always was but now Dom's physicality might tip the scales depending on what Pulev has left. Interesting fight.

One thing I can be certain about - Breazeale isn't going to be intimidated by Pulev either, and like Miller, Whyte, and the she-elephant, he too has better options.

[adislav123]

The names mentioned, plus: Daniel Dubois (has so much time, remember the Kalan prognosis-what happened to him btw?-he will dethrone Joshua in, around 2030)

Ize Ugonoh in my book is definitely top 10 level potentially top 5, polish but not polished nor finished yet, he had breazeale beaten up good and out on his feet, then tried to play with him, got caught (of course instantly waived off & forced to stay down, half out of the ring) guess he will be back even stronger.

Efe Ajagba seems to be top prospect, guess he's gonna get mainstream (casual?) hype now via that "scared outta the ring"-shit.

What do you think of Sergey Kuzmin, he packs a punch, supposed to fight in 3 weeks, tba still?

[TheBeast]

'Good call with Ugonoh... IMO he could've been a great CW and is a good HW

[Lackeos]

Pulev, probably Kabayel and Hughie (disclaimer: even if Hughie loses to Pulev, that won't be strong evidence that he doesn't belong).

By the way, I see that you have Chisora ranked above Fury. I'm going to make a very controversial statement, but... I think Tyson Fury would beat Chisora if they ever fought.

[jamamb]

ugonohs just a bit too speculative for me to have as that next guy, pretty much fought junk aside from the time he got knocked out. amir mansour was doing better then he was vs breazeale and had won every round.

[Redback Rasta]

Ruiz or Takam.

[candyslim]

The names mentioned, plus: Daniel Dubois (has so much time, remember the Kalan prognosis-what happened to him btw?-he will dethrone Joshua in, around 2030)

Ize Ugonoh in my book is definitely top 10 level potentially top 5, polish but not polished nor finished yet, he had breazeale beaten up good and out on his feet, then tried to play with him, got caught (of course instantly waived off & forced to stay down, half out of the ring) guess he will be back even stronger.

Efe Ajagba seems to be top prospect, guess he's gonna get mainstream (casual?) hype now via that "scared outta the ring"-shit.

What do you think of Sergey Kuzmin, he packs a punch, supposed to fight in 3 weeks, tba still?

Yes I was wondering where Kalan's got to. Hope he's ok whatever he's doing. We seem to have lost a lot of good posters in the last year or so ... some crap ones too

DDD has loads of time to perfect his art. Kingpin is a great choice of opponent for his next fight. The old boy knows all the ropes and should be an excellent learning experience for Daniel.

Izu is pretty impressive but I think the word on him is he's got some stamina issues that need work.

Good point about Ajagba - I've a feeling this young man won't be needing any hype, there again I don't suppose a little notoriety is likely to do him any harm.

Sergei Kuzmin seems to have something about him. It's a real shame how his fight with Amir Mansour ended, it was supposed to be his break-out fight and I was really looking forward to it. He really needs to be making a move now - he doesn't have the luxury of time like Dubois has.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Ruiz or Takam.

Yeh. You can’t really say Takam is not a good HW fight for anyone. He was wel beating Chisora. He just got caught.

Shame that Ruiz hasn’t realy fought decent opponent since returning. Hopefully by the end of the year. I doubt Arum will match Ruiz and Jennings against each other.

[candyslim]

I felt as I was watching that Takam was in danger of punching himself out. The ending was as big a shock to me as everyone else, but I can't help thinking he wouldn't have been battering Dereck the way he was if he'd had one eye on his 'fuel gauge'.

Ruiz really needs to pull his finger out if he's going to amount to anything in this boxing game.

[Enlightened-One]

I felt as I was watching that Takam was in danger of punching himself out. The ending was as big a shock to me as everyone else, but I can't help thinking he wouldn't have been battering Dereck the way he was if he'd had one eye on his 'fuel gauge'.

One thing was clear, Dereck Chisora employed the age-old rope-a-dope strategy against Carlos Takam, because the Brit was physically outgunned and also less-skilled. He looked like a fighter that could do nothing other than hope that his opponent fatigued at some point during the late stages of the bout.

The Sky Sports commentators correctly claimed during the middle rounds that the French guy was punching himself out and occasionally throwing arm punches that had no power in them.

I always felt that Chisora was capable of staging a late rally, with the gassed-out Takam being highly-vulnerable and potentially being overwhelmed by a lengthy barrage of shots, but I was admittedly shocked at how Dereck managed to essentially score a one-punch KO.

However, let’s face it, any orthodox fighter that chooses to stand very close to their opponent, with their back against the ropes and their left-hand dangling around their lead leg, is always going to be highly-susceptible to being clobbered by an almighty hellacious overhead right-hand.

And Takam didn’t just make this mistake once, he did the very same thing twice in quick succession, which means that Chisora’s stoppage victory really wasn’t that much of a fluke, considering his opponent was too exhausted to implement very basic boxing fundamentals.

To be honest, if Takam had committed the very same sin during the opening three minutes of the bout, then I wouldn’t have been surprised if Chisora would have exploited the opportunity and scored a first stoppage, such was the severity of Frenchman’s mistake.

Carlos Takam was more than capable of beating Dereck Chisora very easily, but he somehow managed to “snatch defeat from the jaws of victory” and now I feel that he’s now become a spent force, due to suffering such a devastating loss.