Joshua is a C level fighter with A+ power

[IKSRTFO]

he already clarified, so i dont know why some ppl keep going on like hes claiming aj has the best record out of all divisions. look near the top of the page

The last paragraph was written in the context of the heavyweight division

So he did. My apologies, I missed that.

He did AFTER he stated Joshua had the best resume.

[Ricky]

i thought gerald washington and szpilka each won as many rounds vs wilder as pov did vs aj. ortiz won more. molina won more vs wikder then vs aj.

'oh but wilder gets the ko so it doesnt matter'

um, same for aj. theyve bothe won by stoppage all but once.

just remember when you say one guys better, to not forget the other guys fights. and wilders 'unorthodoxy' has just become a synonym for sloppy technique. very dangerous with his speed and power, but this whole crap technique as a strength bandwagon is laughable

with wilders length, speed, and power, if he also had a style advantage no f@cking chance hes losing rounds to szpilka and not stopping him until late

Wilder can be sloppy but not always. His biggest asset other than his power is his ability to land bombs when you think he's out of reach when he isn't. That's down to his much less muscular frame. Wilder is the kind of guy that will hit you with punches you don't see coming.

He throws them from his feet. Anyone with a decent boxing brain will see them coming. A short powerful right hand kills a wide wild right

It takes more than just being able to see what Wilder throws... takes timing to negate it. His handspeed is phenomenal. Ortiz was close i guess - because he's the best inside HW fighter there's been for at least a decade. He nearly pulled it off too.

[candyslim]

he already clarified, so i dont know why some ppl keep going on like hes claiming aj has the best record out of all divisions. look near the top of the page

So he did. My apologies, I missed that.

He did AFTER he stated Joshua had the best resume.

That's why I missed it, but I thought his meaning was clear from the start on the grounds that he isn't a complete dickhead and would know better than to suggest AJ's resume was the best across all weight classes.

[Counter-puncher]

So he did. My apologies, I missed that.

He did AFTER he stated Joshua had the best resume.

That's why I missed it, but I thought his meaning was clear from the start on the grounds that he isn't a complete dickhead

except, uh, that's pretty much what he is.

[Rob3_142]

It's absolutely absurd to assume Joshua is a 'C level' fighter.

Granted, he is 21 fights into his pro career, but there are significant improvements [technically] every fight. You will always be technically exposed when you get into the ring against good fighters, which most A/B level fighters have not done. However, his movement is class, his head movement is getting better, and he has some of the best combinations and shot selection in the whole division. Is he the finished article? Of course he isn't, and it would be equally absurd to assume he is.

Problem is, you are assuming technique and skill are as important in the heavyweight division, as there are in other weight divisions. This is not true. There are very few examples of heavyweights champions which did not possess concussive power, which makes up a significant proportion of the heavyweight itinerary.

And finally, someone who is unbelievably predictable, how you think he's managed to pick off 20 of his 21 opponents so far? Certainly not punching through a guard, or bulldozing them, but instead with good timing and speed.

[jamesmcdonnell]

and i really dont see the sloppyness as being much of a strength at all, basically in wilder you have this super hard hitting, fast, long reached guy, with prerty good stamina, who beats ppl with that. some ppl see that hes also sloppy and are unable to differentiate that from the attributes that are really winnibg him these fights

the 'unorthodoxy' is the type of thing that got him clocked by eric molina and had him losing rounds to szpilka

His wild swings will leave him open to straight punches, it's simple physics, he won't have much if any reach advantage to play with, and will be facing by far the best fighter he's ever faced.

Ortiz gave him problems, Joshua will flatten him.

[Ossyrules]

I just don't understand why Povetkin came in monstrously good shape against Charr and then he comes in like that against AJ. I missed the weigh in, but I was expecting a better looking Povetkin.

Without a doubt, a younger Povetkin would've stopped AJ. If he kept up that pace from the first 5 rounds, AJ would've been done.

Yes no doubt at all

[Ossyrules]

Just watched the fight (on mute) and I thought rounds 1 through 5 Povetkin made Joshua look like an amatuer. I gave him all 5 rounds.

Early in the fight Povetkin couldn't miss with that left hook due to AJ's low right hand and very poor stance. AJ is a man mountain the size of Klitchko or Lewis but he just doesn't utilize his height to any effect. Instead his wide stance and bent legs make him much lower target and easy to hit.

I'm not sure what instructions Rob McCracken gave AJ after r1 & 2, probably that he was getting countered too easy. By r3 Joshua was boxing like a poor man's George Groves. He gave up the centre of the ring to an older smaller man, circling Povetkin with his right hand high and his long left arm hangin out low and flailing in the wind. His jab is often reaching and off target. Exchanges on the inside again were poor from AJ, he looked clumsy with his stance giving space for the uppercut which Povetkin had success with.

I never really expected much from Povetkin. He's 40 years old and can obviously be hurt, I've seen him in bad shape vs Wlad & Price. He certainly had a punchers chance but by round 6 he was visibly gassed.

Perhaps it was the game plan by McCracken all along to circle and jab Povetkin until he was weak enough for AJ to step on him. Credit where it's due on the finish, when AJ throws a right cross in anger & you see his back follow through, it looks like it would break a brick wall.

AJ's an exciting fighter in the division, but I'm not impressed by his ability at all outwith his power. Wilder is a better fighter.

Excellent post.

It needs to be noted that Wilder has never fought Povetkin, or Wlad. I have a hard time making a call between them. They both makeup for significant flaws with ridiculous power.

I would have favored AJ before Wilder vs Ortiz, but the way Wilder figured out how to survive and end that was something that we have not seen.

Fury vs Wilder is a very interesting fight.

Ortiz and Povetkin both old boxers, well skilled but old.

Ortiz our classes wilder, nearly gets him out there but gasses and wilder to his credit sticks in there and wins

Povetkin started well vs Joshua but Joshua was in low amount of distress compared to wilder. Joshua buys his time and then dispatches Povetkin

It’s a strange logic to gain more confidence for wilder based on this

[Oiky]

Agree with everything OP said

[Ossyrules]

The thing with the OP is power is part of boxing. So saying he’s a c level boxer with a+ power is meaningless

We all know wilder boxes badly if not worse, but has a * power

Fury is a b level boxer with d- power

If Carl Froch didn’t have a granite chin he’d be fringe world level not multi belt winner

If amir Khan wasn’t fast he’d be a domestic boxer

Povetkin was always going to be lively early, it was pretty much his only chance.

[ironbeard]

Just watched the fight (on mute) and I thought rounds 1 through 5 Povetkin made Joshua look like an amatuer. I gave him all 5 rounds.

Early in the fight Povetkin couldn't miss with that left hook due to AJ's low right hand and very poor stance. AJ is a man mountain the size of Klitchko or Lewis but he just doesn't utilize his height to any effect. Instead his wide stance and bent legs make him much lower target and easy to hit.

I'm not sure what instructions Rob McCracken gave AJ after r1 & 2, probably that he was getting countered too easy. By r3 Joshua was boxing like a poor man's George Groves. He gave up the centre of the ring to an older smaller man, circling Povetkin with his right hand high and his long left arm hangin out low and flailing in the wind. His jab is often reaching and off target. Exchanges on the inside again were poor from AJ, he looked clumsy with his stance giving space for the uppercut which Povetkin had success with.

I never really expected much from Povetkin. He's 40 years old and can obviously be hurt, I've seen him in bad shape vs Wlad & Price. He certainly had a punchers chance but by round 6 he was visibly gassed.

Perhaps it was the game plan by McCracken all along to circle and jab Povetkin until he was weak enough for AJ to step on him. Credit where it's due on the finish, when AJ throws a right cross in anger & you see his back follow through, it looks like it would break a brick wall.

AJ's an exciting fighter in the division, but I'm not impressed by his ability at all outwith his power. Wilder is a better fighter.

Excellent post.

It needs to be noted that Wilder has never fought Povetkin, or Wlad. I have a hard time making a call between them. They both makeup for significant flaws with ridiculous power.

I would have favored AJ before Wilder vs Ortiz, but the way Wilder figured out how to survive and end that was something that we have not seen.

Fury vs Wilder is a very interesting fight.

Ortiz and Povetkin both old boxers, well skilled but old.

Ortiz our classes wilder, nearly gets him out there but gasses and wilder to his credit sticks in there and wins

Povetkin started well vs Joshua but Joshua was in low amount of distress compared to wilder. Joshua buys his time and then dispatches Povetkin

It’s a strange logic to gain more confidence for wilder based on this

Wilder weathered a serious storm. He showed something that many people did not believe he possessed; a decent beard.

[Ossyrules]

Excellent post.

It needs to be noted that Wilder has never fought Povetkin, or Wlad. I have a hard time making a call between them. They both makeup for significant flaws with ridiculous power.

I would have favored AJ before Wilder vs Ortiz, but the way Wilder figured out how to survive and end that was something that we have not seen.

Fury vs Wilder is a very interesting fight.

Ortiz and Povetkin both old boxers, well skilled but old.

Ortiz our classes wilder, nearly gets him out there but gasses and wilder to his credit sticks in there and wins

Povetkin started well vs Joshua but Joshua was in low amount of distress compared to wilder. Joshua buys his time and then dispatches Povetkin

It’s a strange logic to gain more confidence for wilder based on this

Wilder weathered a serious storm. He showed something that many people did not believe he possessed; a decent beard.

I respect that he stuck in there

It just shows a bit double standards that people see wilder post ortiz More positively that Joshua post Povetkin, when it was Joshua who was more assured and in control of what happened

I guess it’s expectations and people liking to go against the top guy

[ironbeard]

Ortiz and Povetkin both old boxers, well skilled but old.

Ortiz our classes wilder, nearly gets him out there but gasses and wilder to his credit sticks in there and wins

Povetkin started well vs Joshua but Joshua was in low amount of distress compared to wilder. Joshua buys his time and then dispatches Povetkin

It’s a strange logic to gain more confidence for wilder based on this

Wilder weathered a serious storm. He showed something that many people did not believe he possessed; a decent beard.

I respect that he stuck in there

It just shows a bit double standards that people see wilder post ortiz More positively that Joshua post Povetkin, when it was Joshua who was more assured and in control of what happened

I guess it’s expectations and people liking to go against the top guy

I am not “against the top guy.” I absolutely respect AJ. He is my favorite HW since Larry Holmes. AJ showed his mettle vs Wlad. He did it again vs Povetkin.

I think that AJ’s skill set, gifts, ring intelligence, and heart are underrated by many. I treasure the boxing memories that he is gifting us all.

My point on Wilder is that he has proven himself to be a worthy challenger to the throne. We will see how he handles the gypsy tub of goo.

[Ossyrules]

Wilder weathered a serious storm. He showed something that many people did not believe he possessed; a decent beard.

I respect that he stuck in there

It just shows a bit double standards that people see wilder post ortiz More positively that Joshua post Povetkin, when it was Joshua who was more assured and in control of what happened

I guess it’s expectations and people liking to go against the top guy

I am not “against the top guy.” I absolutely respect AJ. He is my favorite HW since Larry Holmes. AJ showed his mettle vs Wlad. He did it again vs Povetkin.

I think that AJ’s skill set, gifts, ring intelligence, and heart are underrated by many. I treasure the boxing memories that he is gifting us all.

My point on Wilder is that he has proven himself to be a worthy challenger to the throne. We will see how he handles the gypsy tub of goo.

Apologies that wasn’t meant direct to you, more a general observation. Ie wilder comes out of the ortiz fight with much more credit and Joshua seems to attract more criticism, when in comparison Joshua was in much less trouble and overall put in a more effective performance

[ironbeard]

I respect that he stuck in there

It just shows a bit double standards that people see wilder post ortiz More positively that Joshua post Povetkin, when it was Joshua who was more assured and in control of what happened

I guess it’s expectations and people liking to go against the top guy

I am not “against the top guy.” I absolutely respect AJ. He is my favorite HW since Larry Holmes. AJ showed his mettle vs Wlad. He did it again vs Povetkin.

I think that AJ’s skill set, gifts, ring intelligence, and heart are underrated by many. I treasure the boxing memories that he is gifting us all.

My point on Wilder is that he has proven himself to be a worthy challenger to the throne. We will see how he handles the gypsy tub of goo.

Apologies that wasn’t meant direct to you, more a general observation. Ie wilder comes out of the ortiz fight with much more credit and Joshua seems to attract more criticism, when in comparison Joshua was in much less trouble and overall put in a more effective performance

100% agree.

[Rob3_142]

Interestingly, off the back of the Wilder/Joshua fights, who comes out on top?

Povetkin v Ortiz - who wins?

[Tony1244]

The top 3 HWs Joshua, Wilder, and T. Fury all look very vulnerable.

Ricky could have said the same for Wilder and it also would be true. There is no HW boss at this time.

[jamamb]

ya, this has happened before, similar thing when aj beat parker

ppl obsess over aj losing a few rounds, say wilder will beat him based on those showings etc, while totally ignoring that wilder was dropping just as many if not more rounds to guys like gerald washington and artur szplilka, and got hurt even by eric molina.

[Tony1244]

The top 3 HWs Joshua, Wilder, and T. Fury all look very vulnerable.

Ricky could have said the same for Wilder and it also would be true. There is no HW boss at this time.

AJ is clearly the boss lol

I would rank Joshua #1 as well. But unlike, say, Louis in the 1940s or Ali in the 1960s, Anthony looks very vulnerable.

[Tony1244]

AJ is clearly the boss lol

I would rank Joshua #1 as well. But unlike, say, Louis in the 1940s or Ali in the 1960s, Anthony looks very vulnerable.

I think his competition looks a lot more vulnerable, Wilder was losing rounds against all kind of bums, Fury got knocked down by a cruiserweight, meanwhile AJ knocks out another olympic super heavyweight champion (a league Wilder and Fury never joined at all) that has never been knocked out in his entire carreer (amateur + pro).

I'm an American and a Wilder fan, but was disappointed with Deontay for demanding parity with AJ. I think AJ deserves more money than Deontay.

People can use the same word with a different meaning. AJ is the boss meaning, I consider him the champion and the #1 HW. But he does look beatable. Doesn't mean, he'll lose. Marciano always looked beatable.

[Ricky]

his skills are vastly more superior than Wilder's,

[ValMar]

EO has been right.

[Ricky]

EO has been right.

Was it on a blue moon

[ValMar]

Was it on a blue moon

Simply, on my bad English : Joshua is more skillful boxer than Wilder. Period.

[Impractical Poster]

I'd take Joshua in a rematch. I still think he is the better fighter. IMO, he vastly underestimated his opponent. And that's where he went wrong.