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candyslim wrote: ↑26 Sep 2018, 02:35

jamamb wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 16:04 he already clarified, so i dont know why some ppl keep going on like hes claiming aj has the best record out of all divisions. look near the top of the page

The last paragraph was written in the context of the heavyweight division

So he did. My apologies, I missed that.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑26 Sep 2018, 06:41

RKY wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:59

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:51 i thought gerald washington and szpilka each won as many rounds vs wilder as pov did vs aj. ortiz won more. molina won more vs wikder then vs aj.

'oh but wilder gets the ko so it doesnt matter'

um, same for aj. theyve bothe won by stoppage all but once.

just remember when you say one guys better, to not forget the other guys fights. and wilders 'unorthodoxy' has just become a synonym for sloppy technique. very dangerous with his speed and power, but this whole crap technique as a strength bandwagon is laughable

with wilders length, speed, and power, if he also had a style advantage no f@cking chance hes losing rounds to szpilka and not stopping him until late

Wilder can be sloppy but not always. His biggest asset other than his power is his ability to land bombs when you think he's out of reach when he isn't. That's down to his much less muscular frame. Wilder is the kind of guy that will hit you with punches you don't see coming.

He throws them from his feet. Anyone with a decent boxing brain will see them coming. A short powerful right hand kills a wide wild right

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑26 Sep 2018, 11:00

candyslim wrote: ↑26 Sep 2018, 02:35

jamamb wrote: ↑25 Sep 2018, 16:04 he already clarified, so i dont know why some ppl keep going on like hes claiming aj has the best record out of all divisions. look near the top of the page

So he did. My apologies, I missed that.

He did AFTER he stated Joshua had the best resume.

candyslim wrote: ↑27 Sep 2018, 02:28

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑26 Sep 2018, 11:00

candyslim wrote: ↑26 Sep 2018, 02:35

So he did. My apologies, I missed that.

He did AFTER he stated Joshua had the best resume.

That's why I missed it, but I thought his meaning was clear from the start on the grounds that he isn't a complete dickhead

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 23:15 and i really dont see the sloppyness as being much of a strength at all, basically in wilder you have this super hard hitting, fast, long reached guy, with prerty good stamina, who beats ppl with that. some ppl see that hes also sloppy and are unable to differentiate that from the attributes that are really winnibg him these fights

the 'unorthodoxy' is the type of thing that got him clocked by eric molina and had him losing rounds to szpilka

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 21:07 I just don't understand why Povetkin came in monstrously good shape against Charr and then he comes in like that against AJ. I missed the weigh in, but I was expecting a better looking Povetkin.

Without a doubt, a younger Povetkin would've stopped AJ. If he kept up that pace from the first 5 rounds, AJ would've been done.

ironbeard wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:37

RKY wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 20:33 Just watched the fight (on mute) and I thought rounds 1 through 5 Povetkin made Joshua look like an amatuer. I gave him all 5 rounds.

Early in the fight Povetkin couldn't miss with that left hook due to AJ's low right hand and very poor stance. AJ is a man mountain the size of Klitchko or Lewis but he just doesn't utilize his height to any effect. Instead his wide stance and bent legs make him much lower target and easy to hit.

I'm not sure what instructions Rob McCracken gave AJ after r1 & 2, probably that he was getting countered too easy. By r3 Joshua was boxing like a poor man's George Groves. He gave up the centre of the ring to an older smaller man, circling Povetkin with his right hand high and his long left arm hangin out low and flailing in the wind. His jab is often reaching and off target. Exchanges on the inside again were poor from AJ, he looked clumsy with his stance giving space for the uppercut which Povetkin had success with.

I never really expected much from Povetkin. He's 40 years old and can obviously be hurt, I've seen him in bad shape vs Wlad & Price. He certainly had a punchers chance but by round 6 he was visibly gassed.

Perhaps it was the game plan by McCracken all along to circle and jab Povetkin until he was weak enough for AJ to step on him. Credit where it's due on the finish, when AJ throws a right cross in anger & you see his back follow through, it looks like it would break a brick wall.

AJ's an exciting fighter in the division, but I'm not impressed by his ability at all outwith his power. Wilder is a better fighter.

Excellent post.

It needs to be noted that Wilder has never fought Povetkin, or Wlad. I have a hard time making a call between them. They both makeup for significant flaws with ridiculous power.

I would have favored AJ before Wilder vs Ortiz, but the way Wilder figured out how to survive and end that was something that we have not seen.

Fury vs Wilder is a very interesting fight.

Ossyrules wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 04:53

ironbeard wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:37

RKY wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 20:33 Just watched the fight (on mute) and I thought rounds 1 through 5 Povetkin made Joshua look like an amatuer. I gave him all 5 rounds.

Early in the fight Povetkin couldn't miss with that left hook due to AJ's low right hand and very poor stance. AJ is a man mountain the size of Klitchko or Lewis but he just doesn't utilize his height to any effect. Instead his wide stance and bent legs make him much lower target and easy to hit.

I'm not sure what instructions Rob McCracken gave AJ after r1 & 2, probably that he was getting countered too easy. By r3 Joshua was boxing like a poor man's George Groves. He gave up the centre of the ring to an older smaller man, circling Povetkin with his right hand high and his long left arm hangin out low and flailing in the wind. His jab is often reaching and off target. Exchanges on the inside again were poor from AJ, he looked clumsy with his stance giving space for the uppercut which Povetkin had success with.

I never really expected much from Povetkin. He's 40 years old and can obviously be hurt, I've seen him in bad shape vs Wlad & Price. He certainly had a punchers chance but by round 6 he was visibly gassed.

Perhaps it was the game plan by McCracken all along to circle and jab Povetkin until he was weak enough for AJ to step on him. Credit where it's due on the finish, when AJ throws a right cross in anger & you see his back follow through, it looks like it would break a brick wall.

AJ's an exciting fighter in the division, but I'm not impressed by his ability at all outwith his power. Wilder is a better fighter.

Excellent post.

It needs to be noted that Wilder has never fought Povetkin, or Wlad. I have a hard time making a call between them. They both makeup for significant flaws with ridiculous power.

I would have favored AJ before Wilder vs Ortiz, but the way Wilder figured out how to survive and end that was something that we have not seen.

Fury vs Wilder is a very interesting fight.

Ortiz and Povetkin both old boxers, well skilled but old.

Ortiz our classes wilder, nearly gets him out there but gasses and wilder to his credit sticks in there and wins

Povetkin started well vs Joshua but Joshua was in low amount of distress compared to wilder. Joshua buys his time and then dispatches Povetkin

It’s a strange logic to gain more confidence for wilder based on this

ironbeard wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 08:19

Ossyrules wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 04:53

ironbeard wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 22:37
Excellent post.

It needs to be noted that Wilder has never fought Povetkin, or Wlad. I have a hard time making a call between them. They both makeup for significant flaws with ridiculous power.

I would have favored AJ before Wilder vs Ortiz, but the way Wilder figured out how to survive and end that was something that we have not seen.

Fury vs Wilder is a very interesting fight.

Ortiz and Povetkin both old boxers, well skilled but old.

Ortiz our classes wilder, nearly gets him out there but gasses and wilder to his credit sticks in there and wins

Povetkin started well vs Joshua but Joshua was in low amount of distress compared to wilder. Joshua buys his time and then dispatches Povetkin

It’s a strange logic to gain more confidence for wilder based on this

Wilder weathered a serious storm. He showed something that many people did not believe he possessed; a decent beard.

Ossyrules wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 08:21

ironbeard wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 08:19

Ossyrules wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 04:53

Ortiz and Povetkin both old boxers, well skilled but old.

Ortiz our classes wilder, nearly gets him out there but gasses and wilder to his credit sticks in there and wins

Povetkin started well vs Joshua but Joshua was in low amount of distress compared to wilder. Joshua buys his time and then dispatches Povetkin

It’s a strange logic to gain more confidence for wilder based on this

Wilder weathered a serious storm. He showed something that many people did not believe he possessed; a decent beard.

I respect that he stuck in there

It just shows a bit double standards that people see wilder post ortiz More positively that Joshua post Povetkin, when it was Joshua who was more assured and in control of what happened

I guess it’s expectations and people liking to go against the top guy

ironbeard wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 08:34

Ossyrules wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 08:21

ironbeard wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 08:19
Wilder weathered a serious storm. He showed something that many people did not believe he possessed; a decent beard.

I respect that he stuck in there

It just shows a bit double standards that people see wilder post ortiz More positively that Joshua post Povetkin, when it was Joshua who was more assured and in control of what happened

I guess it’s expectations and people liking to go against the top guy

I am not “against the top guy.” I absolutely respect AJ. He is my favorite HW since Larry Holmes. AJ showed his mettle vs Wlad. He did it again vs Povetkin.

I think that AJ’s skill set, gifts, ring intelligence, and heart are underrated by many. I treasure the boxing memories that he is gifting us all.

My point on Wilder is that he has proven himself to be a worthy challenger to the throne. We will see how he handles the gypsy tub of goo.

Ossyrules wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 08:37

ironbeard wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 08:34

Ossyrules wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 08:21

I respect that he stuck in there

It just shows a bit double standards that people see wilder post ortiz More positively that Joshua post Povetkin, when it was Joshua who was more assured and in control of what happened

I guess it’s expectations and people liking to go against the top guy

I am not “against the top guy.” I absolutely respect AJ. He is my favorite HW since Larry Holmes. AJ showed his mettle vs Wlad. He did it again vs Povetkin.

I think that AJ’s skill set, gifts, ring intelligence, and heart are underrated by many. I treasure the boxing memories that he is gifting us all.

My point on Wilder is that he has proven himself to be a worthy challenger to the throne. We will see how he handles the gypsy tub of goo.

Apologies that wasn’t meant direct to you, more a general observation. Ie wilder comes out of the ortiz fight with much more credit and Joshua seems to attract more criticism, when in comparison Joshua was in much less trouble and overall put in a more effective performance

astradamus wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 11:36

Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 11:34 The top 3 HWs Joshua, Wilder, and T. Fury all look very vulnerable.

Ricky could have said the same for Wilder and it also would be true. There is no HW boss at this time.

AJ is clearly the boss lol

astradamus wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 11:50

Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 11:41

astradamus wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 11:36
AJ is clearly the boss lol

I would rank Joshua #1 as well. But unlike, say, Louis in the 1940s or Ali in the 1960s, Anthony looks very vulnerable.

I think his competition looks a lot more vulnerable, Wilder was losing rounds against all kind of bums, Fury got knocked down by a cruiserweight, meanwhile AJ knocks out another olympic super heavyweight champion (a league Wilder and Fury never joined at all) that has never been knocked out in his entire carreer (amateur + pro).

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 04:18 his skills are vastly more superior than Wilder's,

Ricky wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 13:13

ValMar wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 13:20 EO has been right.

Ricky wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 13:24 Was it on a blue moon