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KiwiRider wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 14:45

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 17:55 Rocky Fielding is a good example of someone who got "smashed like he was nothing". On the other hand, Breazeale hung in there for seven rounds with Joshua & managed to get up from both knockdowns showing that he has a decent chin & a lot of heart.
While he may not be my favorite heavyweight, I do think that Breazeale gets a bad rap from a lot of fans & I'm not sure why. He's a tough, hard-hitting guy that makes for exciting fights so I don't understand why he's so disliked by so many. I think he's an interesting heavyweight to have in the mix at the top ten.

He has been getting a bad rap stemming from him asking for his mandatory shot with Wilder. He has not earned his #1 spot, it was gifted to him, even though Whyte was/is the holder of the silver #1 contender belt and has defended it multiple times. It's corrupt, and for him to accept the #1 spot, and have the nerve to tout it, loses a lot of true boxing fan's respect for the man- including myself (former Brazeale fan)

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 16:23 It seems to me there ar two separate issues here: The first is that Breazeale doesn't deserve the mandatory position, it should have been Dillian Whyte's. Yes I don't think any fair-minded boxing fan could argue with that. Let's move on.

The second is that even if his status is undeserved, the fact is he remains the WBC's mandatory challenger and I absolutely support his right to kick up a fuss. I'm sick of the WBC playing fast and loose with their own rules, it's absurd that Deontay has faced one mandatory in almost four years, Povetkin or no bloody Povetkin, and the one mandatory challenger he did face had died in the interim and nobody noticed (ok I may have exaggerated ever so slightly for effect )

You Sulaiman have engineered the selection of the mandatory challenger chosen by Al Haymon. Now ferkin call it and set a deadline date you pathetic servile excuse for a president..

And I'm not hating on Wilder so don't start. It's Haymon and his poodle where the blame lies.

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 16:23 It seems to me there ar two separate issues here: The first is that Breazeale doesn't deserve the mandatory position, it should have been Dillian Whyte's. Yes I don't think any fair-minded boxing fan could argue with that. Let's move on.

The second is that even if his status is undeserved, the fact is he remains the WBC's mandatory challenger and I absolutely support his right to kick up a fuss. I'm sick of the WBC playing fast and loose with their own rules, it's absurd that Deontay has faced one mandatory in almost four years, Povetkin or no bloody Povetkin, and the one mandatory challenger he did face had died in the interim and nobody noticed (ok I may have exaggerated ever so slightly for effect )

You Sulaiman have engineered the selection of the mandatory challenger chosen by Al Haymon. Now ferkin call it and set a deadline date you pathetic servile excuse for a president..

And I'm not hating on Wilder so don't start. It's Haymon and his poodle where the blame lies.

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 16:29

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 16:23 It seems to me there ar two separate issues here: The first is that Breazeale doesn't deserve the mandatory position, it should have been Dillian Whyte's. Yes I don't think any fair-minded boxing fan could argue with that. Let's move on.

The second is that even if his status is undeserved, the fact is he remains the WBC's mandatory challenger and I absolutely support his right to kick up a fuss. I'm sick of the WBC playing fast and loose with their own rules, it's absurd that Deontay has faced one mandatory in almost four years, Povetkin or no bloody Povetkin, and the one mandatory challenger he did face had died in the interim and nobody noticed (ok I may have exaggerated ever so slightly for effect )

You Sulaiman have engineered the selection of the mandatory challenger chosen by Al Haymon. Now ferkin call it and set a deadline date you pathetic servile excuse for a president..

And I'm not hating on Wilder so don't start. It's Haymon and his poodle where the blame lies.

In all fairness Slim, how Breazeale became mandatory is as stupid as any other promoter/sanctioning body decision. The WBC is as bad as the WBO/WBA/IBF, etc. As a fan, I'm not interested in Breazeale's title shot. No one expected a Fury/Wilder draw and that has really upset the apple cart for Breazeale, as well as Joshua's reservation at Wembley in April. We fans will now have to sit back and see what transpires after this weekend concerning AJ's April fight, and wait even further to see if the Fury/Wilder fight can get worked out. Making Breazeale mandatory was silly, and not following through is more evidence that corruption and a lack of integrity is, and probably always will be prevalent in boxing. But...I love the sweet science, so I'll just have to take it.

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 17:01

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 16:29

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 16:23 It seems to me there ar two separate issues here: The first is that Breazeale doesn't deserve the mandatory position, it should have been Dillian Whyte's. Yes I don't think any fair-minded boxing fan could argue with that. Let's move on.

The second is that even if his status is undeserved, the fact is he remains the WBC's mandatory challenger and I absolutely support his right to kick up a fuss. I'm sick of the WBC playing fast and loose with their own rules, it's absurd that Deontay has faced one mandatory in almost four years, Povetkin or no bloody Povetkin, and the one mandatory challenger he did face had died in the interim and nobody noticed (ok I may have exaggerated ever so slightly for effect )

You Sulaiman have engineered the selection of the mandatory challenger chosen by Al Haymon. Now ferkin call it and set a deadline date you pathetic servile excuse for a president..

And I'm not hating on Wilder so don't start. It's Haymon and his poodle where the blame lies.

In all fairness Slim, how Breazeale became mandatory is as stupid as any other promoter/sanctioning body decision. The WBC is as bad as the WBO/WBA/IBF, etc. As a fan, I'm not interested in Breazeale's title shot. No one expected a Fury/Wilder draw and that has really upset the apple cart for Breazeale, as well as Joshua's reservation at Wembley in April. We fans will now have to sit back and see what transpires after this weekend concerning AJ's April fight, and wait even further to see if the Fury/Wilder fight can get worked out. Making Breazeale mandatory was silly, and not following through is more evidence that corruption and a lack of integrity is, and probably always will be prevalent in boxing. But...I love the sweet science, so I'll just have to take it.

What's the big idea?. You come on here with your common sense and your reasonable pragmatism - diabolical liberty I call it

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 18:56 Alright. Just this once.

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 16:29

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 16:23 It seems to me there ar two separate issues here: The first is that Breazeale doesn't deserve the mandatory position, it should have been Dillian Whyte's. Yes I don't think any fair-minded boxing fan could argue with that. Let's move on.

The second is that even if his status is undeserved, the fact is he remains the WBC's mandatory challenger and I absolutely support his right to kick up a fuss. I'm sick of the WBC playing fast and loose with their own rules, it's absurd that Deontay has faced one mandatory in almost four years, Povetkin or no bloody Povetkin, and the one mandatory challenger he did face had died in the interim and nobody noticed (ok I may have exaggerated ever so slightly for effect )

You Sulaiman have engineered the selection of the mandatory challenger chosen by Al Haymon. Now ferkin call it and set a deadline date you pathetic servile excuse for a president..

And I'm not hating on Wilder so don't start. It's Haymon and his poodle where the blame lies.

In all fairness Slim, how Breazeale became mandatory is as stupid as any other promoter/sanctioning body decision. The WBC is as bad as the WBO/WBA/IBF, etc. As a fan, I'm not interested in Breazeale's title shot. No one expected a Fury/Wilder draw and that has really upset the apple cart for Breazeale, as well as Joshua's reservation at Wembley in April. We fans will now have to sit back and see what transpires after this weekend concerning AJ's April fight, and wait even further to see if the Fury/Wilder fight can get worked out. Making Breazeale mandatory was silly, and not following through is more evidence that corruption and a lack of integrity is, and probably always will be prevalent in boxing. But...I love the sweet science, so I'll just have to take it.

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 07:19 I wouldn't OTO but that's not the point. If you've eaned your shot you ought to get it and not in 18 month's time, no?

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 12:42 No he didn't but that is a separate issue as I said previously. Deserving or not he is the official mandatory challenger for the WBC title, and as such he is entitled to expect the WBC to uphold his status and ensure their champion defends against him within the stipulated time-scale, which should only be extended to allow for a unification.

I don't agree with their nomination of Breazeale as mandatory, but my opinion is irrelevant. I know OTO won't believe me but I'd be saying the same if it were Joshua. It has nothing to do with Wilder and everything to do with the WBC and their champion who just happens to be Wilder.

I have thought (when they stripped Fury) the IBF tend to be a bit too zealous with regard to their mandatory deadlines, but at least their champions know what happens if they don't comply so I can see why they enforce it so stringently. It sure beats the self-serving anarchy presided over by Sulaiman.

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 13:23 I am first and foremost a boxing fan and not a person who follows rules with blind obedience however stupid they may be.

I have given a little thought to this system of mandatory and voluntary title defences and I think it's a good system which does much to enhance the sport for both the participants and the fans ... provided of course it is properly regulated and enforced without fear or favour.

Anarchy is not helpful and neither is allowing the corrupt to alter and apply the rules to suit their own agenda.

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:13 Thank you for your kind words Oogie. We are in complete agreement regarding Whyte being deserving of the status which was gifted to Breazeale. I think we have to accept that ship has sailed and just hope that this sorry state of affairs isn't compounded by further injustices.

Was that a pink elephant I just saw fly past my window?

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 15:42 No not Jarrell Miller I distinctly saw pink