Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:30
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Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:32
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:34
AJ is “The Man,” money, accomplishments, and popularity-wise, but it is time for him to fight Wilder and Fury. I do not really care which one is first. No matter the outcomes, the rematch is money in the bank.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:36
Fury beat Wladmir for the lineal title before Joshua. No one has beaten Fury yet. Fury is now active. Fury is the lineal champion.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:44
Fury surrendered everything to his addictions.IKSRTFO wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:36Fury beat Wladmir for the lineal title before Joshua. No one has beaten Fury yet. Fury is now active. Fury is the lineal champion.
AJ is the king of the HWs. The Gypsy King is just that.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:45
AJ is probably the more complete fighter of the three.ironbeard wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:44Fury surrendered eImplemented process improvements projected to result in $13.2 million ROI over 5 years. overything to his addictions.
AJ is the king of the HWs. The Gypsy King is just that.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:48
Ironbeard, like most atheists, you claim to be neutral and unbiased and rational... Yet you claim there is no robbery, and have even argued Wilder won... When over 96% of the internet and the vast majority of knowledgeable boxing insiders (fighters, trainers) say Fury won without question... It's you who is irrational, biased and partial.
Anyways, no longer replying to you because you're sounding an awful lot like the scrubs at the Mayweather Boxing Gym in their video today saying that white people can't fight, that Wilder was robbed, and that anyone who sides with Fury is a house negro.
People like that, people like yourself, are the reason people stay away from boxing and become UFC fans. Y'all kill the sport rather than help it.
Anyways, no longer replying to you because you're sounding an awful lot like the scrubs at the Mayweather Boxing Gym in their video today saying that white people can't fight, that Wilder was robbed, and that anyone who sides with Fury is a house negro.
People like that, people like yourself, are the reason people stay away from boxing and become UFC fans. Y'all kill the sport rather than help it.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:50
That is filled with too many personal attacks for my taste. Stick to the facts and leave the BS attacks on the side.HomicideHenry wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:48 Ironbeard, like most atheists, you claim to be neutral and unbiased and rational... Yet you claim there is no robbery, and have even argued Wilder won... When over 96% of the internet and the vast majority of knowledgeable boxing insiders (fighters, trainers) say Fury won without question... It's you who is irrational, biased and partial.
Anyways, no longer replying to you because you're sounding an awful lot like the scrubs at the Mayweather Boxing Gym in their video today saying that white people can't fight, that Wilder was robbed, and that anyone who sides with Fury is a house negro.
People like that, people like yourself, are the reason people stay away from boxing and become UFC fans. Y'all kill the sport rather than help it.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:52
Unfortunately, true (the last part). I completely understand how little my own opinion counts for.ironbeard wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:22As in Ward v Kovalev I and Pac v Bradley I, the “vast, vast majority” got it wrong, in my opinion, and the opinions of the only judges that mattered.Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:10 The fight score app I use, which collates data from everyone scoring a fight, shows that from 1348 scorecards submitted, the overall average tally came out at 115-111 Fury.
Apart from the two KD rounds, Wilder only took the 2nd, according to their data. The closest of all remaining rounds was the 4th, which Fury still took by a margin of 802 votes, to 481 for Wilder (65 scored it even).
It's pretty unanimous. A vast, vast majority, saw Fury win that fight.
As for your scores on those other two fights, I respectfully disagree with your opinion. In Ward vs Kov 1 though, if you didn't value what Kov did, I really don't understand how you valued anything Wilder did at the weekend. He was utterly listless.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 17:17
And surprisingly the most cowardly of the three.oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:45AJ is probably the more complete fighter of the three.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 17:18
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 17:19
I mean if another full year passes, and he still ain't fought one of these guys I can see thinking him a coward, but I don't think we've gotten to "he's a coward" just yet.
Sometimes the time just needs to be right for a big event. The time will definitely be right in 2019, and if AJ and Hearn don't think so then they're definitely just afraid of sharing the ring with the other boys at the top.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 17:20
lol compare there careers, aj has been moved much more ambitously then they were
imagine if he were still fighting jason gavern another year from now
half the time pro of wilder and fury yet already the deepest resume
imagine if he were still fighting jason gavern another year from now
half the time pro of wilder and fury yet already the deepest resume
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 17:50
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 00:28
Oh, I just realized that you're Tanzio. Yeah, I blocked your previous account because you were the only person in the world who thought that Bradley beat Pacquiao, and you kept claiming Bradley won all the time.ironbeard wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:22As in Ward v Kovalev I and Pac v Bradley I, the “vast, vast majority” got it wrong, in my opinion, and the opinions of the only judges that mattered.Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:10 The fight score app I use, which collates data from everyone scoring a fight, shows that from 1348 scorecards submitted, the overall average tally came out at 115-111 Fury.
Apart from the two KD rounds, Wilder only took the 2nd, according to their data. The closest of all remaining rounds was the 4th, which Fury still took by a margin of 802 votes, to 481 for Wilder (65 scored it even).
It's pretty unanimous. A vast, vast majority, saw Fury win that fight.
Oh wait. So you thought Bradley beat Pacquiao... AND you thought Wilder beat Fury? Wow, that means... YOU CAN'T SCORE FOR SH*T!
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 00:32
More like... the consensus opinion of boxing fans at large, and it's not very close. The poll on boxrec reflects that 76% of posters thought Fury won and 8% of posters thought Wilder won. Now... did I cast those 131 votes, or were other people involved?
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 01:11
Too bad it isn’t a popularity contest.
The only ones who count called it a draw. But, because you don’t like what they saw it is not “an honest verdict.” Yet, all Fury had to do to get the nod was stay on his feet for the 12th. Don’t blame the refs for that. Wilder is to blame.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 01:17
-There aren't any boxing fans dumb enough to implicitly respect a boxing judge's scorecard as sacred, and neither is anyone naive enough to buy into your "the judge is always right" shtick. We know that robberies happen, and we know that the measuring stick of a robbery is the distance between the actual verdict and the consensus opinion.ironbeard wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 01:11Too bad it isn’t a popularity contest.
Don’t blame the refs for that. Wilder is to blame.
-I lost respect for your opinion a long time ago. You managed to temporarily evade my ignore list, after getting banned or whatever happened, but don't expect any interaction in the future, because you're a joke to me.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 02:40
Never said judges’ cards are sacred or always right. What I said is that the judges cards are the only ones that count. I think that they were off too. I think that Wilder won the fight.Lackeos wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 01:17-There aren't any boxing fans dumb enough to implicitly respect a boxing judge's scorecard as sacred, and neither is anyone naive enough to buy into your "the judge is always right" shtick. We know that robberies happen, and we know that the measuring stick of a robbery is the distance between the actual verdict and the consensus opinion.ironbeard wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 01:11Too bad it isn’t a popularity contest.
Don’t blame the refs for that. Wilder is to blame.
-I lost respect for your opinion a long time ago. You managed to temporarily evade my ignore list, after getting banned or whatever happened, but don't expect any interaction in the future, because you're a joke to me.
However, given the amount of rounds that were very close, I could see it being a draw, or even a close Fury win, if the judges scored more of the close rounds for Fury.
Pretty fvcking simple to figure out. Your original post claiming that Fury could not have gotten a win with these judges is pure, unadulterated sh!t, as demonstrated by the cards themselves.
But go ahead and keep whining like a biatch, as though that or a consensus adds up to the clap.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 12:29
Lol. There’s a first for everything.ironbeard wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 11:47caldo2025 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 10:34 You guys are nuts. The clowning is in the game plan for Fury and it worked perfectly. It frustrated Wilder into headhunting and loading up on single right hands that Fury masterfully bobbed and weaved from albeit the 2 shots that ended up getting in cost him the win.
I watched the fight with 3 non boxing fans and by the 7th round, these guys loved Fury and his act. The guys nuts. Absolutely cuckoo but he’s entertaining as they come. I still can’t believe that he got up in the 12th. He appeared to be out cold and just snapped up and fought on like it never even happened. I’m now a fan and will never criticize Fury for heart or skill again. He proved me wrong.It does not happen often, but I completely agree with Caldoh here.
Fury did a great job of lobbying the judges, and the casuals, securing the draw.
I am a big fan of both boxers now. I was a fan of neither going in.
Did you see how Fury would raise his hands when bell sounded after some of those close rounds? I alwsys wondered why more boxers don’t do this in close rounds. I think that the way boxers walk back to their corners definitely sways the judges decisions at the end of rounds. Wilder walked back to his corner like his dog died and Fury mucked it up. To me, it makes me think “maybe Fury won that round and I probably missed something that he did”. Heck if it works once or twice, it could be the difference in the fight.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 12:34
If you score a round for a guy because he throws his hands up in the air when the bell rings you have no business being a judge. I've seen guys do that sh*t when they get the hell beat out of them "Look at me Ma I didn't get knocked out!"caldo2025 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 12:29Lol. There’s a first for everything.ironbeard wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 11:47caldo2025 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 10:34 You guys are nuts. The clowning is in the game plan for Fury and it worked perfectly. It frustrated Wilder into headhunting and loading up on single right hands that Fury masterfully bobbed and weaved from albeit the 2 shots that ended up getting in cost him the win.
I watched the fight with 3 non boxing fans and by the 7th round, these guys loved Fury and his act. The guys nuts. Absolutely cuckoo but he’s entertaining as they come. I still can’t believe that he got up in the 12th. He appeared to be out cold and just snapped up and fought on like it never even happened. I’m now a fan and will never criticize Fury for heart or skill again. He proved me wrong.
Fury did a great job of lobbying the judges, and the casuals, securing the draw.
I am a big fan of both boxers now. I was a fan of neither going in.
Did you see how Fury would raise his hands when bell sounded after some of those close rounds? I alwsys wondered why more boxers don’t do this in close rounds. I think that the way boxers walk back to their corners definitely sways the judges decisions at the end of rounds. Wilder walked back to his corner like his dog died and Fury mucked it up. To me, it makes me think “maybe Fury won that round and I probably missed something that he did”. Heck if it works once or twice, it could be the difference in the fight.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 12:42
Saw it all the way and I knew that it was affecting opinions, just as biased commentating does, and biased highlights between rounds.caldo2025 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 12:29Lol. There’s a first for everything.ironbeard wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 11:47caldo2025 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 10:34 You guys are nuts. The clowning is in the game plan for Fury and it worked perfectly. It frustrated Wilder into headhunting and loading up on single right hands that Fury masterfully bobbed and weaved from albeit the 2 shots that ended up getting in cost him the win.
I watched the fight with 3 non boxing fans and by the 7th round, these guys loved Fury and his act. The guys nuts. Absolutely cuckoo but he’s entertaining as they come. I still can’t believe that he got up in the 12th. He appeared to be out cold and just snapped up and fought on like it never even happened. I’m now a fan and will never criticize Fury for heart or skill again. He proved me wrong.
Fury did a great job of lobbying the judges, and the casuals, securing the draw.
I am a big fan of both boxers now. I was a fan of neither going in.
Did you see how Fury would raise his hands when bell sounded after some of those close rounds? I alwsys wondered why more boxers don’t do this in close rounds. I think that the way boxers walk back to their corners definitely sways the judges decisions at the end of rounds. Wilder walked back to his corner like his dog died and Fury mucked it up. To me, it makes me think “maybe Fury won that round and I probably missed something that he did”. Heck if it works once or twice, it could be the difference in the fight.
Of course, those last two do not affect judges, but crowds, and different angles of view do.
I will watch it again. This time, if I find myself searching for a reason to award a round to someone, I will score that round 10-10.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 13:56
I’m telling you that it probably makes a difference to some judges. Mikey Garcia has always done this and some other fighters. There’s a method to the madness. If you think these monkeys keeping score are impression-proof then you haven’t watched much boxing. Even if it only works once in a fight, that’s huge. It will be interesting to find out when judges commit to a boxer taking a round. I bet a lot of them are unsure when that bell rings. That’s what is horrible about boxing and it’s pathetic scoring. It needs an enema.gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 12:34If you score a round for a guy because he throws his hands up in the air when the bell rings you have no business being a judge. I've seen guys do that sh*t when they get the hell beat out of them "Look at me Ma I didn't get knocked out!"caldo2025 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 12:29Lol. There’s a first for everything.
Did you see how Fury would raise his hands when bell sounded after some of those close rounds? I alwsys wondered why more boxers don’t do this in close rounds. I think that the way boxers walk back to their corners definitely sways the judges decisions at the end of rounds. Wilder walked back to his corner like his dog died and Fury mucked it up. To me, it makes me think “maybe Fury won that round and I probably missed something that he did”. Heck if it works once or twice, it could be the difference in the fight.
Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 14:03
caldo2025 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2018, 13:56I’m telling you that it probably makes a difference to some judges. Mikey Garcia has always done this and some other fighters. There’s a method to the madness. If you think these monkeys keeping score are impression-proof then you haven’t watched much boxing. Even if it only works once in a fight, that’s huge. It will be interesting to find out when judges commit to a boxer taking a round. I bet a lot of them are unsure when that bell rings. That’s what is horrible about boxing and it’s pathetic scoring. It needs an enema.gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 12:34If you score a round for a guy because he throws his hands up in the air when the bell rings you have no business being a judge. I've seen guys do that sh*t when they get the hell beat out of them "Look at me Ma I didn't get knocked out!"caldo2025 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 12:29
Lol. There’s a first for everything.
Did you see how Fury would raise his hands when bell sounded after some of those close rounds? I alwsys wondered why more boxers don’t do this in close rounds. I think that the way boxers walk back to their corners definitely sways the judges decisions at the end of rounds. Wilder walked back to his corner like his dog died and Fury mucked it up. To me, it makes me think “maybe Fury won that round and I probably missed something that he did”. Heck if it works once or twice, it could be the difference in the fight.
That’s hilarious! As I was reading this my wife was raising hell about my colonASScopy bill. Coincidence?Re: Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title
Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 17:11
Clowning is a sign of insecurity and nervousness so he is overcompensating by trying to show how he is not scared when really he was. Also the second knock down was not as a result of clowning.