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DrDuke wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:49 Btw Joshua isn't A+ indeed. A is his maximum. He gotta be more fluid and creative for A+. While Fury should be A+, cause The Gypsy King is too special for being lower.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 16:19

ValMar wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 15:05

C. Smith ? No, definitely.
Inoue ? I am not sure, I haven't watched a lot of his fights, and his opponents were not on highest level, definitely. I agree, let us wait the outcome of WBSS.

You think there is a SMW out there with a better than 50/50 chance of beating Callum Smith?
Did you watch Zurdo against a guy who hasn't fought anyone past journey men last night? Or the first time they fought?
Callum Smith is a beast at SMW!
There is no way Bob Arum would be dumb enough to even contemplate putting Zurdo in the ring with him...

KiwiRider wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 16:19

ValMar wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 15:05

C. Smith ? No, definitely.
Inoue ? I am not sure, I haven't watched a lot of his fights, and his opponents were not on highest level, definitely. I agree, let us wait the outcome of WBSS.

You think there is a SMW out there with a better than 50/50 chance of beating Callum Smith?
Did you watch Zurdo against a guy who hasn't fought anyone past journey men last night? Or the first time they fought?
Callum Smith is a beast at SMW!
There is no way Bob Arum would be dumb enough to even contemplate putting Zurdo in the ring with him...

ValMar wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 06:34 This is my list :

Joshua
Wilder
Fury
Usyk
Canelo Alvarez
Golovkin
Spence
Crawford
M. Garcia
Lomachenko
Davis

Some fighters might be on this list very soon (Gassiev, Briedis, Prograis).
Pacquiao has been A+ level, definitely, but right now he is B+, Rigo, too............

gilgamesh wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 16:53

ValMar wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 06:34 This is my list :

Joshua
Wilder
Fury
Usyk
Canelo Alvarez
Golovkin
Spence
Crawford
M. Garcia
Lomachenko
Davis

Some fighters might be on this list very soon (Gassiev, Briedis, Prograis).
Pacquiao has been A+ level, definitely, but right now he is B+, Rigo, too............

I'd drop Wilder, Fury and Davis off of that list, and I'd add Naoya Inoue. As you mention some guys seem to be on the verge of possibly getting there like a Prograis, but the bubble my burst before they find themselves walking with the true Elites.

Not sure if I'd have Canelo as an A+ either. He's definitely an A or a B+ at worst, but I'm not sure he's A+. I'd consider A+ to be the Elite of the Elite.

He's definitely an A+ draw though, and a cash cow for the promoters.

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 17:12 Usyk is the most definite for me as you see one loss each for the next three guys in the division and all of them lost to Usyk.
No one at heavyweight because the top three guys can all beat each other on any given day.
None at LHW
Callum Smith at SMW.
None at MW
None at SWW
Terrance Crawford at WW
Errol Spence "A".
None at SLW
Loma at LW
Mikey "A"
Berchelt at SFW.
None at FW (Santa Cruz "A")
None at SBW
Nery at BW (PEDS aside)
Inoue "A"
Not familiar with SFlyW
Shiro a killer at LFW
Moonsri at MinW. Guy held this title for four years. 33y/o undefeated in 52 fights.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 22:53

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 17:12 Usyk is the most definite for me as you see one loss each for the next three guys in the division and all of them lost to Usyk.
No one at heavyweight because the top three guys can all beat each other on any given day.
None at LHW
Callum Smith at SMW.
None at MW
None at SWW
Terrance Crawford at WW
Errol Spence "A".
None at SLW
Loma at LW
Mikey "A"
Berchelt at SFW.
None at FW (Santa Cruz "A")
None at SBW
Nery at BW (PEDS aside)
Inoue "A"
Not familiar with SFlyW
Shiro a killer at LFW
Moonsri at MinW. Guy held this title for four years. 33y/o undefeated in 52 fights.

Nice one
I think when your talking A+ you have to be very selective like your list

caldo2025 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 23:56 There’s 2 boxers on that list that I’d give A+’s to and that’s Crawford and Loma. The rest are still not as good as they can or in some cases be. Those 2 guys have tools that are mastered.

For instance, Joshua is going to be so much better in 3 years. This guy has all the tools and his biggest one in the chest is his heart. He hasn’t been in the sport long enough but I can’t wait to see how he progresses. He may lose once or twice but all of the great heavyweights lose once in awhile. It’s about the gems you make it out of victorious that make you historic.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 01:06

caldo2025 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 23:56 There’s 2 boxers on that list that I’d give A+’s to and that’s Crawford and Loma. The rest are still not as good as they can or in some cases be. Those 2 guys have tools that are mastered.

For instance, Joshua is going to be so much better in 3 years. This guy has all the tools and his biggest one in the chest is his heart. He hasn’t been in the sport long enough but I can’t wait to see how he progresses. He may lose once or twice but all of the great heavyweights lose once in awhile. It’s about the gems you make it out of victorious that make you historic.

If you don't think Usyk is A+, Crawford isn't A+. Crawford looked like utter crap against a one-legged Benavidez who was beat by Herrera prior. Usyk has never looked bad against anyone on the level of Benavidiez.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 01:11

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 01:06

caldo2025 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 23:56 There’s 2 boxers on that list that I’d give A+’s to and that’s Crawford and Loma. The rest are still not as good as they can or in some cases be. Those 2 guys have tools that are mastered.

For instance, Joshua is going to be so much better in 3 years. This guy has all the tools and his biggest one in the chest is his heart. He hasn’t been in the sport long enough but I can’t wait to see how he progresses. He may lose once or twice but all of the great heavyweights lose once in awhile. It’s about the gems you make it out of victorious that make you historic.

If you don't think Usyk is A+, Crawford isn't A+. Crawford looked like utter crap against a one-legged Benavidez who was beat by Herrera prior. Usyk has never looked bad against anyone on the level of Benavidiez.

You don’t have the boxing IQ to argue with, sorry. You say too many dumb things. Try someone else though. They might pass the time with you. I’m just too smart for a discussion with you. Sorry, I’m honest and direct. It saves us both time. Good luck though.