i don't deny that he has a big power in his right hand but i doubt that he will knock out either Fury or Joshua (i also favour Usyk over him, i just think that Wilder wouldn't land clean on him, but it's just a guess, first Usyk must finally move to the HW) we will see. defeating old (but still good) Ortiz in a close bout and losing (sorry, i just can't see it even as a draw, imo at least 114-112 Fury) to Fury is still not enough to call him a A+ fighter. i will give A+ only to Usyk (at CW), Crawford and Lomachenko, maybe also Golovkin (but he's slighty past his prime) and Inoue (i'd rather give him A for now, but he clearly has A+ potential)
i just think that A+ should be awarded only to really wery special (almost unbeatable) fighters with big accomplishments, Wilder is very beatable and before Ortiz he was defending his title vs weak opponents. i also think that there shouldn't be more than one fighter that is ranked A+ in one division (except of very special cases like prime Mayweather and Pacquiao)
Ok, fair enough, but if "almost unbeatable" is the criteria, you can remove all HW's from the equation as they are all flawed, IMHO.
and so i did. A+ fighters imo are Usyk, Crawford, Lomachenko, prime Golovkin was as well, Inoue most likely will be
i don't deny that he has a big power in his right hand but i doubt that he will knock out either Fury or Joshua (i also favour Usyk over him, i just think that Wilder wouldn't land clean on him, but it's just a guess, first Usyk must finally move to the HW) we will see. defeating old (but still good) Ortiz in a close bout and losing (sorry, i just can't see it even as a draw, imo at least 114-112 Fury) to Fury is still not enough to call him a A+ fighter. i will give A+ only to Usyk (at CW), Crawford and Lomachenko, maybe also Golovkin (but he's slighty past his prime) and Inoue (i'd rather give him A for now, but he clearly has A+ potential)
i just think that A+ should be awarded only to really wery special (almost unbeatable) fighters with big accomplishments, Wilder is very beatable and before Ortiz he was defending his title vs weak opponents. i also think that there shouldn't be more than one fighter that is ranked A+ in one division (except of very special cases like prime Mayweather and Pacquiao)
Ok, fair enough, but if "almost unbeatable" is the criteria, you can remove all HW's from the equation as they are all flawed, IMHO.
and so i did. A+ fighters imo are Usyk, Crawford, Lomachenko, prime Golovkin was as well, Inoue most likely will be
OK, Wilder might be beatable ( not very beatable, surely) but, on the other side he is capable to KO anyone.
"Almost unbeatable" fighter doesn't exist. I remember Teofilo Stevenson, he has been my hero, during my childhood, and even Teofilo had some losses.
Personally, I think Spence is a little bit better than Crawford.
yeah and except of us nobody mentioned him, surprising but it's probably he's asian = less hyped
Well for me, in MY time...I was a big fan of BW's/FW's when Olivares; Chacon; Castillo, etc were ruling, so I have some history in following the lower classes. Used to watch Boxeo Professinale on UHF stations. All Mexican channels that I got somewhat fuzzy, but enough to develop a huge respect or the Mexican fighters. Never a dull moment!
A =
Lomassiah
3G
Gvozdyk
E Alvarez
GingerHead
Spence
Berchelt
Jacobs
A- =
Hurd
LSC
TRex Jr.
GTank
Frampton
C Smith
Bivol
Kovalev
Jack
Inoue
Nery
Lara
Navarrette
Rungvisai
AJ
Fury
this is a pretty solid list overall . id have inoue at a though if guys like dj, alvarez, gvo, and berchelt are. too soon for me to put nav in these groups as well but good potential for sure
loma for me might fit into a+ too, if not then the best guy not there.
A =
Lomassiah
3G
Gvozdyk
E Alvarez
GingerHead
Spence
Berchelt
Jacobs
A- =
Hurd
LSC
TRex Jr.
GTank
Frampton
C Smith
Bivol
Kovalev
Jack
Inoue
Nery
Lara
Navarrette
Rungvisai
AJ
Fury
this is a pretty solid list overall . id have inoue at a though if guys like dj, alvarez, gvo, and berchelt are. too soon for me to put nav in these groups as well but good potential for sure
loma for me might fit into a+ too, if not then the best guy not there.
Btw Joshua isn't A+ indeed. A is his maximum. He gotta be more fluid and creative for A+. While Fury should be A+, cause The Gypsy King is too special for being lower.
Obviously the criteria for rating an A+ boxer is debatable.
In my humble opinion, an A+ guy is the one who is more than 50/50 against everyone else in their respective division.
Loma
Joshua
Inoue ( next year after WBSS)
Crawford
C Smith
Usyk
I can't think of any others that warrant the + on the A. Heaps of A fighters, but you have to be very special to get the +...
KiwiRider wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 14:53
Obviously the criteria for rating an A+ boxer is debatable.
In my humble opinion, an A+ guy is the one who is more than 50/50 against everyone else in their respective division.
Loma
Joshua
Inoue ( next year after WBSS)
Crawford
C Smith
Usyk
I can't think of any others that warrant the + on the A. Heaps of A fighters, but you have to be very special to get the +...
C. Smith ? No, definitely.
Inoue ? I am not sure, I haven't watched a lot of his fights, and his opponents were not on highest level, definitely. I agree, let us wait the outcome of WBSS.
C. Smith ? No, definitely.
Inoue ? I am not sure, I haven't watched a lot of his fights, and his opponents were not on highest level, definitely. I agree, let us wait the outcome of WBSS.
You think there is a SMW out there with a better than 50/50 chance of beating Callum Smith?
Did you watch Zurdo against a guy who hasn't fought anyone past journey men last night? Or the first time they fought?
Callum Smith is a beast at SMW!
There is no way Bob Arum would be dumb enough to even contemplate putting Zurdo in the ring with him...
Replace your fishbait and zip up, ValMar. 