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maybe nobody but at least some other fighters doesn't need judges help. i am sure that Miller would defeat him (probably by stoppage), i'd favour Pulev to beat him as well, Whyte vs Breazeale or Kownacki is 50/50, Parker would probably be in better than this terrible shape he was in their fight (and still i had it only 113-112 Whyte anyway) and most likely would win the rematch.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 19:57

dagilechia wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 19:49 who else he beaten? Helenius ~top 30-40 fighter that came there only to survive, 40 years old Browne - one of the most overrated HW in recent years, he arguably lost to Chisora, and now he was losing badly again prior to the stoppage

No other Heavyweight contender has come even close to beating the contender or fringe contender level guys he has without getting a shot. Not Luis Ortiz, Not Miller, not nobody. He's earned his shot man.

and it shows how terrible HW still is. guy seen by a lot of people as the top 5 fighter was losing badly to Chisora and having a fight that could go either way vs Chisora then knocking him out in rematch in round 11 losing almost every round prior to stoppage, beating a 40 years old PEDs user with a padded record and a Finnish journeyman is enough to deserve titleshot.

Parker win is the only legit and good win but it was very close anyway and Parker was terrible in this fight

dagilechia wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:04

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 19:57

dagilechia wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 19:49 who else he beaten? Helenius ~top 30-40 fighter that came there only to survive, 40 years old Browne - one of the most overrated HW in recent years, he arguably lost to Chisora, and now he was losing badly again prior to the stoppage

No other Heavyweight contender has come even close to beating the contender or fringe contender level guys he has without getting a shot. Not Luis Ortiz, Not Miller, not nobody. He's earned his shot man.

and it shows how terrible HW still is. guy seen by a lot of people as the top 5 fighter was losing badly to Chisora and having a fight that could go either way vs Chisora then knocking him out in rematch in round 11 losing almost every round prior to stoppage, beating a 40 years old PEDs user with a padded record and a Finnish journeyman is enough to deserve titleshot.

I really can't see any of your points, nor the reason you post them.

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:07

dagilechia wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:04

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 19:57

No other Heavyweight contender has come even close to beating the contender or fringe contender level guys he has without getting a shot. Not Luis Ortiz, Not Miller, not nobody. He's earned his shot man.

and it shows how terrible HW still is. guy seen by a lot of people as the top 5 fighter was losing badly to Chisora and having a fight that could go either way vs Chisora then knocking him out in rematch in round 11 losing almost every round prior to stoppage, beating a 40 years old PEDs user with a padded record and a Finnish journeyman is enough to deserve titleshot.

I really can't see any of your points, nor the reason you post them.

it's probably because you rate fighters like Browne as a legit contenders. if he was a lets say a 40 years old Lithuanian called Zigmantas Matulevicius with the same record you would call him a bum beater

dagilechia wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:10

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:07

dagilechia wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:04

and it shows how terrible HW still is. guy seen by a lot of people as the top 5 fighter was losing badly to Chisora and having a fight that could go either way vs Chisora then knocking him out in rematch in round 11 losing almost every round prior to stoppage, beating a 40 years old PEDs user with a padded record and a Finnish journeyman is enough to deserve titleshot.

I really can't see any of your points, nor the reason you post them.

it's probably because you rate fighters like Browne as a legit contenders. if he was a lets say a 40 years old Lithuanian called Zigmantas Matulevicius with the same record you would call him a bum beater

No, I don't rate Browne as a legit contender. Never said I did. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever mentioned Browne in a post at all.

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:11

dagilechia wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:10

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:07
I really can't see any of your points, nor the reason you post them.

it's probably because you rate fighters like Browne as a legit contenders. if he was a lets say a 40 years old Lithuanian called Zigmantas Matulevicius with the same record you would call him a bum beater

No, I don't rate Browne as a legit contender. Never said I did. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever mentioned Browne in a post at all.

okay, sorry then. what i mean is that a wins over 40 years old with padded record and a Euro journeyman is not better than what Miller did, even worse, i rate beating Duhaupas and Wach much higher than beating Browne and Helenius while of course beating Duhaupas and Wach is not a big achievement as well.

and i guess that everyone agrees that Whyte is a no hoper vs AJ

dagilechia wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:04

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 19:57

dagilechia wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 19:49 who else he beaten? Helenius ~top 30-40 fighter that came there only to survive, 40 years old Browne - one of the most overrated HW in recent years, he arguably lost to Chisora, and now he was losing badly again prior to the stoppage

No other Heavyweight contender has come even close to beating the contender or fringe contender level guys he has without getting a shot. Not Luis Ortiz, Not Miller, not nobody. He's earned his shot man.

and it shows how terrible HW still is. guy seen by a lot of people as the top 5 fighter was losing badly to Chisora and having a fight that could go either way vs Chisora then knocking him out in rematch in round 11 losing almost every round prior to stoppage, beating a 40 years old PEDs user with a padded record and a Finnish journeyman is enough to deserve titleshot.

Parker win is the only legit and good win but it was very close anyway and Parker was terrible in this fight

Yeah most of the Heavyweights don't fight the other contenders and earn their shot. They just knock out bum after bum until they get a shot because of their shiny record. Whyte has actually earned his shot by beating other contenders or fringe contenders. He's done more than anyone else to earn his shot. Whether or not he's better than the other contenders is irrelevant he's done more to earn his shot, that's undeniable.

and not that i rate Parker very high, he's one of the worst HW champions ever, his fights vs Takam, Hughie and Ruiz were close, almost as close as his fight vs Whyte and Razvan Cojanu was probably the worst fighter that fought for the HW title ever.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:21

dagilechia wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:04

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 19:57

No other Heavyweight contender has come even close to beating the contender or fringe contender level guys he has without getting a shot. Not Luis Ortiz, Not Miller, not nobody. He's earned his shot man.

and it shows how terrible HW still is. guy seen by a lot of people as the top 5 fighter was losing badly to Chisora and having a fight that could go either way vs Chisora then knocking him out in rematch in round 11 losing almost every round prior to stoppage, beating a 40 years old PEDs user with a padded record and a Finnish journeyman is enough to deserve titleshot.

Parker win is the only legit and good win but it was very close anyway and Parker was terrible in this fight

Yeah most of the Heavyweights don't fight the other contenders and earn their shot. They just knock out bum after bum until they get a shot because of their shiny record. Whyte has actually earned his shot by beating other contenders or fringe contenders. He's done more than anyone else to earn his shot. Whether or not he's better than the other contenders is irrelevant he's done more to earn his shot, that's undeniable.

the fact that the judges are constantly helping him makes his achievements diminished in my eyes. he will eventually get his title shot but Whyte vs Joshua brings zero excitement to me.

dagilechia wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:01 maybe nobody but at least some other fighters doesn't need judges help. i am sure that Miller would defeat him (probably by stoppage), i'd favour Pulev to beat him as well, Whyte vs Breazeale or Kownacki is 50/50, Parker would probably be in better than this terrible shape he was in their fight (and still i had it only 113-112 Whyte anyway) and most likely would win the rematch.

White would slaughter breazeale or kownacki.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 21:58

dagilechia wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 20:01 maybe nobody but at least some other fighters doesn't need judges help. i am sure that Miller would defeat him (probably by stoppage), i'd favour Pulev to beat him as well, Whyte vs Breazeale or Kownacki is 50/50, Parker would probably be in better than this terrible shape he was in their fight (and still i had it only 113-112 Whyte anyway) and most likely would win the rematch.

White would slaughter breazeale or kownacki.

Absofuckinglutely 100%!!!

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 19:11

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 18:47 I'm still sore about being deprived of a great fight between Povetkin and Wilder. I thought then it would be extremely competitive in the sense that it could have gone either way - I don't mean it couldn't be a brutal one-sided beat down.

Three years later I haven't changed my opinion and I shall almost certainly regret the cancellation of that fight until my time is up. F#%& the WBC !

Don't blame the WBC
Povetkin tested positive it's his fault

He tested positive for a few nanograms of trace amounts of a previously-legal substance. Some experts have said that he could have stopped taking it before the ban went into effect and still had those trace amounts. Also, it was an over-the-counter vasodilator, whose actual performance-enhancing benefits are pretty debatable.

Povetkin is recovering from surgery performed on both elbows after his failed attempt to win the HW Championship from AJ. Pov is beginning training for an upcoming match to be made on the undercard of AJ v. TBA April 13 at Wembley. It will be interesting to see who his opponent will be as there was no mention. At this point, I'd love to see Povetkin take on Big Baby Miller, although I doubt Miller will take any risk before getting a title shot himself. Thoughts?

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 20:33 Povetkin is recovering from surgery performed on both elbows after his failed attempt to win the HW Championship from AJ. Pov is beginning training for an upcoming match to be made on the undercard of AJ v. TBA April 13 at Wembley. It will be interesting to see who his opponent will be as there was no mention. At this point, I'd love to see Povetkin take on Big Baby Miller, although I doubt Miller will take any risk before getting a title shot himself. Thoughts?

Povetkin Vs Usyk on the AJ v Whyte(?) undercard?

Pleeeeeeeease

Pukka Cheese wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 21:15

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 20:33 Povetkin is recovering from surgery performed on both elbows after his failed attempt to win the HW Championship from AJ. Pov is beginning training for an upcoming match to be made on the undercard of AJ v. TBA April 13 at Wembley. It will be interesting to see who his opponent will be as there was no mention. At this point, I'd love to see Povetkin take on Big Baby Miller, although I doubt Miller will take any risk before getting a title shot himself. Thoughts?

Povetkin Vs Usyk on the AJ v Whyte(?) undercard?

Pleeeeeeeease

Great fight, but I just can't see that happening. Usyk will fight someone less accomplished, I believe.

Pukka Cheese wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 21:15

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 20:33 Povetkin is recovering from surgery performed on both elbows after his failed attempt to win the HW Championship from AJ. Pov is beginning training for an upcoming match to be made on the undercard of AJ v. TBA April 13 at Wembley. It will be interesting to see who his opponent will be as there was no mention. At this point, I'd love to see Povetkin take on Big Baby Miller, although I doubt Miller will take any risk before getting a title shot himself. Thoughts?

Povetkin Vs Usyk on the AJ v Whyte(?) undercard?

Pleeeeeeeease

That would be fun

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 21:20

Pukka Cheese wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 21:15

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 20:33 Povetkin is recovering from surgery performed on both elbows after his failed attempt to win the HW Championship from AJ. Pov is beginning training for an upcoming match to be made on the undercard of AJ v. TBA April 13 at Wembley. It will be interesting to see who his opponent will be as there was no mention. At this point, I'd love to see Povetkin take on Big Baby Miller, although I doubt Miller will take any risk before getting a title shot himself. Thoughts?

Povetkin Vs Usyk on the AJ v Whyte(?) undercard?

Pleeeeeeeease

Great fight, but I just can't see that happening. Usyk will fight someone less accomplished, I believe.

I doubt povetkin would fight usyk. Probably chisora at best

I’d like to see Povetkin v Whyte. I think he causes Dillian all kinds of trouble

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 01:31

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 21:20

Pukka Cheese wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 21:15

Povetkin Vs Usyk on the AJ v Whyte(?) undercard?

Pleeeeeeeease

Great fight, but I just can't see that happening. Usyk will fight someone less accomplished, I believe.

I doubt povetkin would fight usyk. Probably chisora at best

Yes if either didn't fancy the job I would think it would be Povetkin. That's not to say Povetkin shirks a challenge, not at all, but in terms of risk reward it doesn't offer him much.

For Usyk, Povetkin is a good name on his record, good experience at the higher weight, and he would figure to outbox the old
fellah at this stage and certainly outlast him.

I think if usyk had his choice it would be straight to Joshua. No doubt povetkin would be a good name at heavy, as far as testing the division I think usyk would be bigger.

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 03:38 I’d like to see Povetkin v Whyte. I think he causes Dillian all kinds of trouble

An excellent fight that could go either way. I'd have to fancy Whyte now but the first few rounds could be like navigating a minefield for him. Povetkin is very skilled and can bang. I think both might fancy it and no doubt Eddie would too.

I could see this happening. It's risky but Dillian just doesn't appear to have a fully functional self-preservation instinct

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 04:02 I think if usyk had his choice it would be straight to Joshua. No doubt povetkin would be a good name at heavy, as far as testing the division I think usyk would be bigger.

A good win to have no doubt, but I can't see Povetkin beating Usyk, not 2018/9 Povetkin anyway. His punch makes him dangerous for someone like Dillian Whyte, but Usyk's chin has looked very reliable.

I think he might well fancy he could take Joshua right now, but taking a couple of warm ups would probably be advisable. It's one thing beating a Briedis or a Gassiev, but Joshua can also fight and he is huge. What is more, Joshua has often had to be a bit wary of his opponent's power, but he won't feel the need against Usyk. If he you haven't got the power to keep Joshua honest, you could well find yourself up sh1t creek with no paddle.

Perhaps, but usyk is capable of a pace Josh has never endured.

True but closing the range could be problematic for him as skilled as he is. Joshua has very good handspeed.