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Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 19:37
by Onetimeonly
He knows rossy, I think he was a college football player. I think both of us assumed you meant casual ticket buyers.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 19:43
by oogiebe
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 19:37
He knows rossy, I think he was a college football player. I think both of us assumed you meant casual ticket buyers.
Thanks for the clarification. No not casuals. Guys who are on this site, and me in particular, as I planned on going to the show. I'm don't profess myself to be a hardcore fan, as I have tendencies more towards the HW division and the old guys from when I was a kid and after. To be frank, I find young fighters who look somewhat decent, and I'll follow them until they show that they suck. That's how I knew of Stacey Frazier. He was an opponent for a couple of them, including Damian Wills who I followed for a little bit. I assume if I know of a fighter, that everyone must, as I don't give myself credit for being much of an expert. I know what I know and come here to share and learn more.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 19:47
by punchoutsb
I know it's all arguing over semantics, but being "known" typically means people who are not even necessarily fans of the sport know who you are. Wilder is barely "known" in the States, and that's with a relatively aggressive media campaign to get him on podcasts and talk shows. No one in this thread is "known" in the states, and that includes Miller.
In my opinion you've got to be a pretty hard core boxing fan to know who Rossy or Flores are, and you've got to be in the 1% to know who Stacy Frazier or Trevor Bryan are. Obviously a place like boxrec will be a home for many of those kinds of fans.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 19:49
by oogiebe
punchoutsb wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 19:47
I know it's all arguing over semantics, but being "known" typically means people who are not even necessarily fans of the sport know who you are. Wilder is barely "known" in the States, and that's with a relatively aggressive media campaign to get him on podcasts and talk shows. No one in this thread is "known" in the states, and that includes Miller.
In my opinion you've got to be a pretty hard core boxing fan to know who Rossy or Flores are, and you've got to be in the 1% to know who Stacy Frazier or Trevor Bryan are.
"Casual Fan" was a new descriptor for me as it was unknown to me until I joined this site. I can see the confusion. I'm not in the 1%, but I knew of both Frazier and Bryan via other fighters I've followed. I need some term definitions in my back pocket.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:00
by Onetimeonly
I don't even like the description casual fan. It's really just the fans that make up the majority of viewership and ticket buying but they aren't nerds like us. Back in the 80's and 90's my friends loved boxing but they still would die laughing when they'd randomly pick a year and month in the almanac and I'd say the wba flyweight champ was either Peter mathebula or tae-shik Kim.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:04
by Mexi-Box
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 19:35
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 19:17
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 19:12
Rossy is known in the states, as are Stacey Frazier; BJ flores. I'm not saying he's a star, but he has a name in the states.
You're completely mistaken here. Bryan has no name whatsoever. Flores is probably the most "popular" guy on that list, and I don't think many people know Flores.
Rossy and Frazier aren't known in the States
. You may as well say Derrick Findley is known in the States.
Go look at Rossy's resume. He was from a town near mine and fought a load of names. You just don't know him I guess. Get over it.
Uh, I know who Derrek Rossy is. He's not a mystery. I've seen him tons of times, anyone who is a hardcore fan knows him since he's fought several top fighters, off the top of my head: Pulev, Stiverne, Glazkov, Chambers, and Povetkin. I don't want to go to BoxRec to confirm, so if he didn't fight one or two I'm not arguing that.
The thing is, though, no one outside of hardcores cares about Derrek Rossy. He can probably go back to that town near yours and I have doubts anyone would know him besides you.
As you said, I'm just not pompous enough to say that everyone knows Rossy just because I know him... or he fights near me. We're talking about getting a crowd to MSG, ffs. I don't think someone that beat Derrek Rossy would have such a substantial name to even sell 2 tickets there (outside of immediate family)
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Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:04
by oogiebe
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:00
I don't even like the description casual fan. It's really just the fans that make up the majority of viewership and ticket buying but they aren't nerds like us. Back in the 80's and 90's my friends loved boxing but they still would die laughing when they'd randomly pick a year and month in the almanac and I'd say the wba flyweight champ was either Peter mathebula or tae-shik Kim.
LMAO! That's just sick! You have the 'sickness' of boxing! too funny!
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:05
by oogiebe
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:04
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 19:35
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 19:17
You're completely mistaken here. Bryan has no name whatsoever. Flores is probably the most "popular" guy on that list, and I don't think many people know Flores.
Rossy and Frazier aren't known in the States
. You may as well say Derrick Findley is known in the States.
Go look at Rossy's resume. He was from a town near mine and fought a load of names. You just don't know him I guess. Get over it.
Uh, I know who Derrek Rossy is. He's not a mystery. I've seen him tons of times, anyone who is a hardcore fan knows him since he's fought several top fighters, off the top of my head: Pulev, Stiverne, Glazkov, Chambers, and Povetkin. I don't want to go to BoxRec to confirm, so if he didn't fight one or two I'm not arguing that.
The thing is, though, no one outside of hardcores cares about Derrek Rossy. He can probably go back to that town near yours and I have doubts anyone would know him besides you.
As you said, I'm just not pompous enough to say that everyone knows Rossy just because I know him... or he fights near me. We're talking about getting a crowd to MSG, ffs. I don't think someone that beat Derrek Rossy would have such a substantial name to even sell 2 tickets there (outside of immediate family)
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Yeah, it's all been gone through on this thread already. Thanks for the clarification anyway.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:09
by Rgoodwin
Sounds like their original opponent fell through (Bryan) so they are taking on someone else. Don't let your dislike for Miller make you forget the fact that this is another failure by Hearn. They should have had someone lined up a long time ago.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:10
by dagilechia
Miller's still +300lbs
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:11
by Onetimeonly
It's not a failure, Miller wasn't stepping up anyway. Bryan probably priced himself out when his only value was a secondary belt for Miller to put on his shoulder to promote a fight with aj. Not that I think Miller would be guaranteed to beat him.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:13
by jamamb
lol he makes kownacki look trim
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:13
by oogiebe
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:11
It's not a failure, Miller wasn't stepping up anyway. Bryan probably priced himself out when his only value was a secondary belt for Miller to put on his shoulder to promote a fight with aj. Not that I think Miller would be guaranteed to beat him.
No he wasn't stepping up, but now he's stepping down...way down probably. It's just too bad, that's all.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:15
by Mexi-Box
dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:10
Miller's still +300lbs
I barely recognized that was Kownacki. Man, Miller is enormous!
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:17
by dagilechia
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:15
dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:10
Miller's still +300lbs
I barely recognized that was Kownacki. Man, Miller is enormous!
Yes he is a monster...he outweights Wilder by almost 110lbs lol
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:18
by greg
dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:17
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:15
dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:10
Miller's still +300lbs
I barely recognized that was Kownacki. Man, Miller is enormous!
Yes he is a monster...he outweights Wilder by almost 110lbs lol
yep, Miller Lite indeed!
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:19
by Mexi-Box
dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:17
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:15
dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:10
Miller's still +300lbs
I barely recognized that was Kownacki. Man, Miller is enormous!
Yes he is a monster...he outweights Wilder by almost 110lbs lol
Agreed. He made Kownacki look like a LHW. I thought it was just some unknown LHW or something until I looked closer then freaked out that it was Kownacki.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:20
by oogiebe
greg wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:18
dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:17
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:15
I barely recognized that was Kownacki. Man, Miller is enormous!
Yes he is a monster...he outweights Wilder by almost 110lbs lol
yep, Miller Lite indeed!
LMAO! "Miller Lite"
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:20
by marvelous marv
Fres Oquendo has been in camp for 4 years for this fight.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:21
by oogiebe
marvelous marv wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:20
Fres Oquendo has been in camp for 4 years for this fight.
LMFAO!!!
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:21
by dagilechia
marvelous marv wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:20
Fres Oquendo has been in camp for 4 years for this fight.
and he's still not ready
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 20:22
by oogiebe
dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:21
marvelous marv wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:20
Fres Oquendo has been in camp for 4 years for this fight.
and he's still not ready
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 21:06
by Onetimeonly
marvelous marv wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:20
Fres Oquendo has been in camp for 4 years for this fight.
beautiful microcosm of the sport that he was awarded a court ordered title shot that long ago.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 21:07
by Onetimeonly
dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:21
marvelous marv wrote: ↑12 Jan 2019, 20:20
Fres Oquendo has been in camp for 4 years for this fight.
and he's still not ready
I liked his chances against Charr.
Re: Miller Camp Finally confirms they have an opponent
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 21:08
by walter5
Has the opponent really not been announced yet? Here's a hint, he's undefeated!