BoxRec

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 07:16

siablo14 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 06:50

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 06:17
What was the precise sums of money that Canelo and Rocky Fielding received for their fight? I can provide loads more examples, where fight purses weren't actually disclosed. Especially for fights in the UK.

I don’t need to explain, because you answered the question for me, as you’re reluctant to provide details of your own salary. All you’ve done is lie, by making a bữllshḯt claim about earning “nothing”, whilst choosing to remain anonymous. The reason for your own behaviour answers your own question.

You’re exploiting your anonymity to boldly claim that others aren’t allowed certain aspects of their lives to remain private and confidential. And that’s just hypocritical.

You can’t hold people accountable to standards that you flatly refuse to abide by.

Canelo's multi year deal has been announced for the whole world to know. Canelo's purse was 15 mil for that fight.

i already told you i am earn zero dollars. Why is that hard for you to grasp or believe?

Provide a link that details Canelo & Rocky Fielding's precise earnings for that fight - that was the original question that you've failed to address. Their actual purses were undisclosed, which obvious debunks your myth about all boxers salaries being always made public.

You’re lying, because you're making a bữllshḯt claim about earning “nothing”, whilst choosing to remain anonymous. The reason for your own conduct explains the stupidity of your demands.

You've backed yourself into a corner now kid, let's see how you try to wriggle yourself out of it.

Canelo’s purse for fighting Fielding was $15 million

https://www.ringtv.com/550674-canelo-co ... re-garden/

How should i prove that i earn no income? How do you know my claim is bullsh**t? You like to assume it seems

siablo14 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 19:54

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 07:16

siablo14 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 06:50
Canelo's multi year deal has been announced for the whole world to know. Canelo's purse was 15 mil for that fight.

i already told you i am earn zero dollars. Why is that hard for you to grasp or believe?

Provide a link that details Canelo & Rocky Fielding's precise earnings for that fight - that was the original question that you've failed to address. Their actual purses were undisclosed, which obvious debunks your myth about all boxers salaries being always made public.

You’re lying, because you're making a bữllshḯt claim about earning “nothing”, whilst choosing to remain anonymous. The reason for your own conduct explains the stupidity of your demands.

You've backed yourself into a corner now kid, let's see how you try to wriggle yourself out of it.

Canelo’s purse for fighting Fielding was $15 million

https://www.ringtv.com/550674-canelo-co ... re-garden/

How should i prove that i earn no income? How do you know my claim is bullsh**t? You like to assume it seems

You didn’t provide Rocky Fielding’s payday. Canelo’s payday reported by The RING was based on a rumour, since the official figures weren’t disclosed.

You can prove your income by providing evidence of your real life identity and bank details, which I’ve asked for multiple times.

Since you claim that disclosing private and confidential information is harmless, let’s see if you mean it?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 20:07

siablo14 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 19:54

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 07:16
Provide a link that details Canelo & Rocky Fielding's precise earnings for that fight - that was the original question that you've failed to address. Their actual purses were undisclosed, which obvious debunks your myth about all boxers salaries being always made public.

You’re lying, because you're making a bữllshḯt claim about earning “nothing”, whilst choosing to remain anonymous. The reason for your own conduct explains the stupidity of your demands.

You've backed yourself into a corner now kid, let's see how you try to wriggle yourself out of it.

Canelo’s purse for fighting Fielding was $15 million

https://www.ringtv.com/550674-canelo-co ... re-garden/

How should i prove that i earn no income? How do you know my claim is bullsh**t? You like to assume it seems

You didn’t provide Rocky Fielding’s payday. Canelo’s payday reported by The RING was based on a rumour, since the official figures weren’t disclosed.

You can prove your income by providing evidence of your real life identity and bank details, which I’ve asked for multiple times.

Since you claim that disclosing private and confidential information is harmless, let’s see if you mean it?

EO: Seriously? By the time you get to page 6 or 7, I've lost track of the original debate. Fighters are public figures. All sports participants are for the most part. Stop being so outrageous and move on. You are hyper-focused on a tangent to nowhere. Thank you for your consideration on this matter!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 20:07

siablo14 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 19:54

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 07:16
Provide a link that details Canelo & Rocky Fielding's precise earnings for that fight - that was the original question that you've failed to address. Their actual purses were undisclosed, which obvious debunks your myth about all boxers salaries being always made public.

You’re lying, because you're making a bữllshḯt claim about earning “nothing”, whilst choosing to remain anonymous. The reason for your own conduct explains the stupidity of your demands.

You've backed yourself into a corner now kid, let's see how you try to wriggle yourself out of it.

Canelo’s purse for fighting Fielding was $15 million

https://www.ringtv.com/550674-canelo-co ... re-garden/

How should i prove that i earn no income? How do you know my claim is bullsh**t? You like to assume it seems

You didn’t provide Rocky Fielding’s payday. Canelo’s payday reported by The RING was based on a rumour, since the official figures weren’t disclosed.

You can prove your income by providing evidence of your real life identity and bank details, which I’ve asked for multiple times.

Since you claim that disclosing private and confidential information is harmless, let’s see if you mean it?

The Ring is owned by Canelo's promoters. So go figure.

My name is Shane. i am not providing bank details. The boxers don't do that. All gets stated is their purse and i have already stated my salary.

That's not their real purse anyway.

siablo14 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 20:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 20:07

siablo14 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 19:54

https://www.ringtv.com/550674-canelo-co ... re-garden/

How should i prove that i earn no income? How do you know my claim is bullsh**t? You like to assume it seems

You didn’t provide Rocky Fielding’s payday. Canelo’s payday reported by The RING was based on a rumour, since the official figures weren’t disclosed.

You can prove your income by providing evidence of your real life identity and bank details, which I’ve asked for multiple times.

Since you claim that disclosing private and confidential information is harmless, let’s see if you mean it?

The Ring is owned by Canelo's promoters. So go figure.

My name is Shane. i am not providing bank details. The boxers don't do that. All gets stated is their purse and i have already stated my salary.

The journalist doesn’t and you still didn’t quote Rock Fielding’s payday - that was the question you keep ignoring.

So you’re hiding behind your anonymity to avoid answering a simple question you demand fighters to answer? Hypocrisy?

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 20:11

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 20:07

siablo14 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 19:54

https://www.ringtv.com/550674-canelo-co ... re-garden/

How should i prove that i earn no income? How do you know my claim is bullsh**t? You like to assume it seems

You didn’t provide Rocky Fielding’s payday. Canelo’s payday reported by The RING was based on a rumour, since the official figures weren’t disclosed.

You can prove your income by providing evidence of your real life identity and bank details, which I’ve asked for multiple times.

Since you claim that disclosing private and confidential information is harmless, let’s see if you mean it?

EO: Seriously? By the time you get to page 6 or 7, I've lost track of the original debate. Fighters are public figures. All sports participants are for the most part. Stop being so outrageous and move on. You are hyper-focused on a tangent to nowhere. Thank you for your consideration on this matter!

Point taken, I probably need to walk away when the people I’m debating with avoid or refuse to address my questions or justify their stance.

In my defence though, I’ve haven’t departed from my original argument.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 18:17

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:35

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 04:55

That's absurd

Well thanks for clearing that up, you're one hellova debater

If I care to be. I've managed to get away from wasting pages of words against idiocy.

I'm sure you can be, I have a lot of respect for your boxing knowledge. Unfortunately all I tend to get from you is a throwaway disparaging comment with no attempt at explanation. I have broad shoulders so your unnecessary rudeness doesn't bother me at all, but if I'm talking sh1te, and it's hardly unknown, then I'm happy to consider constructive comment.

Brevity can be an admirable thing but if it's not constructive then it's just as pointless and wasteful ... only shorter.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 02:06

siablo14 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 20:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 20:07
You didn’t provide Rocky Fielding’s payday. Canelo’s payday reported by The RING was based on a rumour, since the official figures weren’t disclosed.

You can prove your income by providing evidence of your real life identity and bank details, which I’ve asked for multiple times.

Since you claim that disclosing private and confidential information is harmless, let’s see if you mean it?

The Ring is owned by Canelo's promoters. So go figure.

My name is Shane. i am not providing bank details. The boxers don't do that. All gets stated is their purse and i have already stated my salary.

The journalist doesn’t and you still didn’t quote Rock Fielding’s payday - that was the question you keep ignoring.

So you’re hiding behind your anonymity to avoid answering a simple question you demand fighters to answer? Hypocrisy?

Notice the journalist didn't use approximate or about. He said was.

How am i hiding behind anonymity?

siablo14 wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 07:45

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 02:06

siablo14 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 20:47
The Ring is owned by Canelo's promoters. So go figure.

My name is Shane. i am not providing bank details. The boxers don't do that. All gets stated is their purse and i have already stated my salary.

The journalist doesn’t and you still didn’t quote Rock Fielding’s payday - that was the question you keep ignoring.

So you’re hiding behind your anonymity to avoid answering a simple question you demand fighters to answer? Hypocrisy?

Notice the journalist didn't use approximate or about. He said was.

How am i hiding behind anonymity?

The journalist doesn't work for GBP.

You didn't quote Rocky Fielding's payday, despite you claiming that ALL fighters' purse are ALWAYS made public. I've asked you to provide the Brit's payday details half a dozen times, but you've blatantly ignored this. You choose to avoid even mentioning his name! It seems that in your mind, Canelo was paid to simply shadow box!

How many human beings on the planet are called Shane, assuming that's actually your real name. And you haven't provided a surname... and you claim you earn NOTHING! So you're choosing to remain anonymous and also blatantly lying, hence the hypocrisy!

Be honest for once, you want to remain anonymous. You don’t want anyone to know anything about you, especially your salary details, but you’re also a nṏsḛy bḁstḁrd that thinks that it should be mandatory for fighters to disclose their purse, for no other reason other than to satisfy your own curiosity.

You believe that boxers aren’t entitled to have their personal finances remain private and confidential, but yet the same rule doesn't apply to yourself!

If you’d admitted that, I wouldn’t criticise your thoughts.

candyslim wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 07:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 18:17

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:35

Well thanks for clearing that up, you're one hellova debater

If I care to be. I've managed to get away from wasting pages of words against idiocy.

I'm sure you can be, I have a lot of respect for your boxing knowledge. Unfortunately all I tend to get from you is a throwaway disparaging comment with no attempt at explanation. I have broad shoulders so your unnecessary rudeness doesn't bother me at all, but if I'm talking sh1te, and it's hardly unknown, then I'm happy to consider constructive comment.

Brevity can be an admirable thing but if it's not constructive then it's just as pointless and wasteful ... only shorter.

Business publicly conducted is never a good idea. You'd have even less fights. Well you offered him this 14 months ago and I beat him 2 years ago, etc.... It was a really dumb suggestion on all fronts. The only actual gain would be fans that care about that sort of thing, of which I am not one.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 08:28

siablo14 wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 07:45

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 02:06
The journalist doesn’t and you still didn’t quote Rock Fielding’s payday - that was the question you keep ignoring.

So you’re hiding behind your anonymity to avoid answering a simple question you demand fighters to answer? Hypocrisy?

Notice the journalist didn't use approximate or about. He said was.

How am i hiding behind anonymity?

The journalist doesn't work for GBP.

You didn't quote Rocky Fielding's payday, despite you claiming that ALL fighters' purse are ALWAYS made public. I've asked you to provide the Brit's payday details half a dozen times, but you've blatantly ignored this. You choose to avoid even mentioning his name! It seems that in your mind, Canelo was paid to simply shadow box!

How many human beings on the planet are called Shane, assuming that's actually your real name. And you haven't provided a surname... and you claim you earn NOTHING! So you're choosing to remain anonymous and also blatantly lying, hence the hypocrisy!

Be honest for once, you want to remain anonymous. You don’t want anyone to know anything about you, especially your salary details, but you’re also a nṏsḛy bḁstḁrd that thinks that it should be mandatory for fighters to disclose their purse, for no other reason other than to satisfy your own curiosity.

You believe that boxers aren’t entitled to have their personal finances remain private and confidential, but yet the same rule doesn't apply to yourself!

If you’d admitted that, I wouldn’t criticise your thoughts.

Only US boxing is relevant. The journalist works for The Ring which is owned by GBP.

Shane is my name. $0 is my salary.

i keep sharing my info and then you keep saying i am not telling you my info.

I've had enough. Now I have to unsubscribe.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 11:42

I think Ward has a point, especially in light of last Saturday's burglary of Manny Pacquiao's home that occurred on the night of his PPV fight!!

There are criminals who specialize in burglarizing celebrity athletes and they dont need ANY encouragement!!

https://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/l ... story.html

Manny Pacquiao’s Hancock Park home was burglarized this weekend while he was retaining his welterweight title with a convincing victory over Adrien Broner, two members of his promotional company said Sunday.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 19:25 I've had enough. Now I have to unsubscribe.

You can’t unsubscribe from life. But you can subscribe to my pyramid scheme.

Shane, currently you are earning zero, my simple plan will see you doubling or tripling your income in a matter of weeks. You currently earn zero, 0 x 3 = 0 This is what you could be earning. Shane send me a private messsge and we can discuss.

lazboy wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 20:12

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 19:25 I've had enough. Now I have to unsubscribe.

You can’t unsubscribe from life. But you can subscribe to my pyramid scheme.

Shane, currently you are earning zero, my simple plan will see you doubling or tripling your income in a matter of weeks. You currently earn zero, 0 x 3 = 0 This is what you could be earning. Shane send me a private messsge and we can discuss.

LMFAO!

siablo14 wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 19:23

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 08:28

siablo14 wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 07:45
Notice the journalist didn't use approximate or about. He said was.

How am i hiding behind anonymity?

The journalist doesn't work for GBP.

You didn't quote Rocky Fielding's payday, despite you claiming that ALL fighters' purse are ALWAYS made public. I've asked you to provide the Brit's payday details half a dozen times, but you've blatantly ignored this. You choose to avoid even mentioning his name! It seems that in your mind, Canelo was paid to simply shadow box!

How many human beings on the planet are called Shane, assuming that's actually your real name. And you haven't provided a surname... and you claim you earn NOTHING! So you're choosing to remain anonymous and also blatantly lying, hence the hypocrisy!

Be honest for once, you want to remain anonymous. You don’t want anyone to know anything about you, especially your salary details, but you’re also a nṏsḛy bḁstḁrd that thinks that it should be mandatory for fighters to disclose their purse, for no other reason other than to satisfy your own curiosity.

You believe that boxers aren’t entitled to have their personal finances remain private and confidential, but yet the same rule doesn't apply to yourself!

If you’d admitted that, I wouldn’t criticise your thoughts.

Only US boxing is relevant. The journalist works for The Ring which is owned by GBP.

Shane is my name. $0 is my salary.

i keep sharing my info and then you keep saying i am not telling you my info.

So you’ve distanced yourself from your initial stance ( since you’ve conceded your original claim to be wrong), you’re still lying and you’re still being hypocritical.

Good for you kid!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 20:47

siablo14 wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 19:23

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 08:28
The journalist doesn't work for GBP.

You didn't quote Rocky Fielding's payday, despite you claiming that ALL fighters' purse are ALWAYS made public. I've asked you to provide the Brit's payday details half a dozen times, but you've blatantly ignored this. You choose to avoid even mentioning his name! It seems that in your mind, Canelo was paid to simply shadow box!

How many human beings on the planet are called Shane, assuming that's actually your real name. And you haven't provided a surname... and you claim you earn NOTHING! So you're choosing to remain anonymous and also blatantly lying, hence the hypocrisy!

Be honest for once, you want to remain anonymous. You don’t want anyone to know anything about you, especially your salary details, but you’re also a nṏsḛy bḁstḁrd that thinks that it should be mandatory for fighters to disclose their purse, for no other reason other than to satisfy your own curiosity.

You believe that boxers aren’t entitled to have their personal finances remain private and confidential, but yet the same rule doesn't apply to yourself!

If you’d admitted that, I wouldn’t criticise your thoughts.

Only US boxing is relevant. The journalist works for The Ring which is owned by GBP.

Shane is my name. $0 is my salary.

i keep sharing my info and then you keep saying i am not telling you my info.

So you’ve distanced yourself from your initial stance ( since you’ve conceded your original claim to be wrong), you’re still lying and you’re still being hypocritical.

Good for you kid!

Show boxers' purse being disclosed and no harm being done to them - check

Stated my name and income - check

Best Coast wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 20:01

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 11:42

I think Ward has a point, especially in light of last Saturday's burglary of Manny Pacquiao's home that occurred on the night of his PPV fight!!

There are criminals who specialize in burglarizing celebrity athletes and they dont need ANY encouragement!!

https://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/l ... story.html

Manny Pacquiao’s Hancock Park home was burglarized this weekend while he was retaining his welterweight title with a convincing victory over Adrien Broner, two members of his promotional company said Sunday.

it has happened to other celebs in LA. The criminals know when to strike because they easily know when the sportsman isnt at home.

siablo14 wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 22:19

Best Coast wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 20:01

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 11:42

I think Ward has a point, especially in light of last Saturday's burglary of Manny Pacquiao's home that occurred on the night of his PPV fight!!

There are criminals who specialize in burglarizing celebrity athletes and they dont need ANY encouragement!!

https://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/l ... story.html

Manny Pacquiao’s Hancock Park home was burglarized this weekend while he was retaining his welterweight title with a convincing victory over Adrien Broner, two members of his promotional company said Sunday.

it has happened to other celebs in LA. The criminals know when to strike because they easily know when the sportsman isnt at home.

Good point. Because LA has so many celebs in the entertainment world it is a huge problem. It has been happening to athletes nationwide in recent years. Ace pitcher Felix Hernandez had a B&E not long ago

https://pressfrom.info/us/news/sports/- ... -ring.html

Seattle Mariners right-hander Felix Hernandez was one of a number of victims of a high-end burglary ring in the state of Washington.

Bellevue police announced Wednesday the details of the largest burglary bust in the city's history. Three men have been arrested and accused of being involved in 123 burglaries in Seattle and the surrounding area, claiming roughly $3 million worth of merchandise.

Current Yankees star CC Sabathia was robbed at gunpoint in Cleveland when he was with the Indians:
http://a.espncdn.com/mlb/news/2002/1104/1455812.html

Two former college basketball players were each sentenced to four years in prison Monday for robbing Cleveland Indians pitcher C.C. Sabathia at gunpoint last spring.

Wow...I almost forgot about the most horrific one!! A residential burglary turned murder!!

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/06/10/c ... r-suspect/

MIAMI (CBSMiami/AP) – After three and a half hours of deliberation, a jury has convicted Jason Mitchell, the second man to go on trial for the murder of Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor, guilty of first-degree murder and armed burglary.

Mitchell was found guilty Tuesday around 6 p.m.

Mitchell, the alleged mastermind of the 2007 burglary plan, along with four other men planned to break in to Taylor’s Palmetto Bay home over the Thanksgiving weekend because they thought he’d be away for a game. The night of the burglary, Taylor was home due to an injury. When he tried to protect his high school sweetheart Jackie Garcia and their daughter, one of the men, Eric Rivera, shot him.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 08:45

candyslim wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 07:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 18:17

If I care to be. I've managed to get away from wasting pages of words against idiocy.

I'm sure you can be, I have a lot of respect for your boxing knowledge. Unfortunately all I tend to get from you is a throwaway disparaging comment with no attempt at explanation. I have broad shoulders so your unnecessary rudeness doesn't bother me at all, but if I'm talking sh1te, and it's hardly unknown, then I'm happy to consider constructive comment.

Brevity can be an admirable thing but if it's not constructive then it's just as pointless and wasteful ... only shorter.

Business publicly conducted is never a good idea. You'd have even less fights. Well you offered him this 14 months ago and I beat him 2 years ago, etc.... It was a really dumb suggestion on all fronts. The only actual gain would be fans that care about that sort of thing, of which I am not one.

I agree in principle but where there is a problem making a very obvious match there is almost always comment that gets out to the public. At the risk of pushing your buttons again, take this $50m offer to Joshua as an example. That on its own was a very damaging blow to Joshua's credibility, even I thought "Joshua WTF?".

Thankfully that wasn't the end of it. Almost immediately we learn no contract would be provided without prior agreement, and then one of the UK's top promoters (allegedly) lets slip the money is coming from BT Sport so obviously they would broadcast the fight on their platform to the exclusion of Sky.

This would put Joshua in breach of contract to mainly Sky but many other sponsors etc. Joshua would have been sued for most of his earnings, he simply could not accept the offer and Wilder's people knew that very well when they proposed it. It's extremely disingenuous of Dibella to say "Not my ferkin problem" when confronted with this fact, He knew the offer was nothing more than a device to discredit Joshua and give credibility to Deontay. Even now when the offer has been exposed as utter bollocks, there are still many who, for reasons of agenda or simple mindedness, propogate the myth that AJ turned down $50m even Dillian Whyte FFS and F-Wank has in his last interview mysteriously grown the offer to $ 80m, perhaps it's the onset of senility.

So in conclusion I agree with you business shouldn't be conducted publicly but if one side breaches that then all the facts should be out there so we can formulate an opinion based on a balance of propaganda not just that of one side.

Absurd.

Best Coast wrote: ↑26 Jan 2019, 00:16 Wow...I almost forgot about the most horrific one!! A residential burglary turned murder!!

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/06/10/c ... r-suspect/

MIAMI (CBSMiami/AP) – After three and a half hours of deliberation, a jury has convicted Jason Mitchell, the second man to go on trial for the murder of Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor, guilty of first-degree murder and armed burglary.

Mitchell was found guilty Tuesday around 6 p.m.

Mitchell, the alleged mastermind of the 2007 burglary plan, along with four other men plainned to break in to Taylor’s Palmetto Bay home over the Thanksgiving weekend because they thought he’d be away for a game. The night of the burglary, Taylor was home due to an injury. When he tried to protect his high school sweetheart Jackie Garcia and their daughter, one of the men, Eric Rivera, shot him.

Yeah. i remember that one. i kept thinking he resembled Jermain Taylor and that they are were probably family members but i never found any confirmation.

I enjoy reading purses for fighters. It interests me and I don't think there's any harm in knowing it. Adds to the fun, "Oh wow, Fighter A is finally getting his career payday! Awesome!" and things like that.

I think, to a degree, it wouldn't hurt Fighter A during negotiations at times I'm sure.