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Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 27 Apr 2019, 18:04
by squiggy
If you don't follow a certain division, you can just say so. For instance there's clearly someone here who just doesn't follow cruiserweight.
Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 27 Apr 2019, 18:07
by oogiebe
squiggy wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019, 18:04
If you don't follow a certain division, you can just say so. For instance there's clearly someone here who just doesn't follow cruiserweight.

Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 27 Apr 2019, 19:51
by KiwiRider
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019, 05:33
Top 10.
But I'd rather he fight Nietes than Kal Yafai.
Heck, either one would be great.
Estrada #10 for me too right now. So nice to watch him in action.
Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 28 Apr 2019, 01:42
by Onetimeonly
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019, 14:25
That's a surprise to me, though I really don't know Shiro's opponents well they don't seem to match Estradas resume.
I don't care as much about resume for p4p. Prograis is up there too.
Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 28 Apr 2019, 11:05
by Counter-puncher
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 01:42
I don't care as much about resume for p4p. Prograis is up there too.
Gotcha, I'll check some Shiro fights out. Agreed on the eye test Prograis is in the conversation.
Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 28 Apr 2019, 11:06
by Onetimeonly
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 11:05
Gotcha, I'll check some Shiro fights out. Agreed on the eye test Prograis is in the conversation.
Just too slippery a slope to judge when wins drop off or hold strong. You'll like ken. He's crisp as hell.
Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 28 Apr 2019, 14:27
by boxing_rocks
Nah. People just overrated Wangek.
Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 28 Apr 2019, 15:05
by Susej_SOG
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 14:27
Nah. People just overrated Wangek.
A fighter that K.O'd brutally González and dropped him 3 times in two fights is overrated
Lol
GGG could not K.O Jacobs.
And stop with excuses about González being too small, he has the same reach, height and weight than Sor in the ring.
At his 29 years old he could not make 112.
González always had bad defense.
This, and the power of Rungvisai is awesome, Cuadras said this too, Estrada too but Juan has an iron chin, he took the best shots of Viloria, Rungvisai and González (he went down 4 pounds to fight with him), all in prime, never was dropped.
Rungvisai still being a P4P fighter, he is extremely strong, controlls angles, thrown near of 1000 punches in each fight, power in both hands, he is a good body puncher and way better and most dangerous than any rival of the list of Crawford, Usyk, and Loma.
Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 28 Apr 2019, 15:08
by Susej_SOG
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 01:42
I don't care as much about resume for p4p. Prograis is up there too.
This is like say "I don't care about what team won more tournaments and cups, this is the best team of the league".
Prograis is not even in a top-15 and never faced a good fighter.
Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 28 Apr 2019, 15:15
by Onetimeonly
Susej_SOG wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 15:08
This is like say "I don't care about what team won more tournaments and cups, this is the best team of the league".
Prograis is not even in a top-15 and never faced a good fighter.
Obviously English isn't your first language. Stick to whatever is when you address me.
Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 28 Apr 2019, 15:18
by Susej_SOG
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 15:15
Obviously English isn't your first language. Stick to whatever is when you address me.
Obviously you don't have arguments.
Resume is probably the most important thing if you want to talk about the P4P list.
Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 28 Apr 2019, 15:22
by Onetimeonly
Susej_SOG wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 15:18
Obviously you don't have arguments.
Resume is probably the most important thing if you want to talk about the P4P list.
No me desobedezca de nuevo niño pequeño
Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 28 Apr 2019, 16:09
by Boxing Prospect
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 11:06
Just too slippery a slope to judge when wins drop off or hold strong. You'll like ken. He's crisp as hell.
Should be a bit of footage here:
http://www.asianboxing.info/videos/category/ken-shiro
Would suggest everyone watches the Nagamine fight, as well as the bigger name ones (Melindo, juarez, Guevara and Lopez).
Re: -Juan Francisco Estrada TOP-5 P4P fighter-
Posted: 30 Apr 2019, 01:50
by ironbeard
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 14:27
Nah. People just overrated Wangek.
How could Wangek be overrated? He nearly pulled it out v Estrada. Kid is nails and dynamite.