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Onetimeonly wrote: ↑14 May 2019, 20:08 He's a troll.

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 20:13 I'm still convinced that if Bowe weren't with Rock Newman, his career would have been much better.

jas80s wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 00:39 I think with hindsight, it is pretty clear that is what happened, though it's funny how it didn't seem like it at the time. But, Evander went to war with you, I suspect he shortened a few careers with his pace and ferocity in there.

I think the thing about Bowe is, he was a mercurial personality to begin with. I mean, this is a guy who joined the marine corp after becoming a hugely successful fighter, who in their right mind does that?? Obviously, it didn't work out, not that you needed to be clairvoyant to see that coming...

I think he was destined to have a short prime, Holyfield in his life or not.

clubberlang wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 07:58 One thing that was completely overlooked in Bowe vs Golota 2 (because we were ignorant of Golota’s failings at the time) is that just prior to AG been disqualified he was hurt by Bowe, if you ask me Golota getting disqualified was his way of quitting that night.

overhand_right wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 03:30 Did Lewis overcome them again and again? After McCall knocked him out, it took him years to get a title shot again.

It took till he was 34 and Holyfield 37 to unify the belts! Bowe had already eaten himself out of boxing by then but his fights with Holyfield looked hugely impressive after Lewis's two dreary contests.

Lewis didn't fight Tyson till Tyson was 36! Tyson had been avoiding the best fighters since Holyfield crushed him twice. When Holyfield KOd Tyson in 96, Bowe's KO of Holyfield a year earlier looked mightily impressive. It still does.

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑18 May 2019, 11:02 What was the explanation for Hide going down for the first time in the third round vs Bowe?

He seemingly never really recovered from whatever it was.

I've never seen anything that explains it. The camera angles I've seen don't explain it.

Anyone know anything about that moment?

Syntax Error wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 12:28 That was curious to say the least.

It looked to me like Hide fainted.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 15:52 Watched it several times and it is odd. It looks like Bowe did hit him high on the back, (it doesn't look like the back of his head) and he sort of fell forward. What was especially weird was that he actually looked pretty hurt.

Seamus wrote: ↑21 May 2019, 11:24 People remember all the fouls by Golota which obviously weakened Bowe, but even before they started, Bowe was being dominated. Golota floored him in the 2nd rd of the 2nd fight before there had been a single foul and Bowe was hurt bad. He showed alot of grit in that fight though.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑19 May 2019, 12:28 That was curious to say the least.

It looked to me like Hide fainted.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑17 May 2019, 10:51 He rates above Bowe, but not far above Bowe. He simply was on top for a longer period of time and so deserves to be higher. But it's closer than you think.

You should not just just say a win over a guy in the top 10 are all the same. They aren't. Bowe's wins over Holyfield vastly superior to anything Lewis ever did.

Akinwande was not any good. Bowe had wins not mentioned that are superior to that.
Tucker was past his best as well.
Beating Klitschko is not a big deal He never beat anyone very good.
Even beating McCall wasn't anything special. Nobody thought much of him until he beat Lewis. His next biggest wins is scratching out a close decision over an ancient Larry Holmes, and a tough fight with Bruce Seldon. (whom Bowe blew out in one round)

The wins over Holyfield and Tyson don't mean a lot. They were both way past it when Lewis beat them. The rematch "win" over Holyfield was not impressive and was a questionable decision.

The Mercer decision was iffy. He should not have got more than a draw in that fight.

You also have to look at the losses. Bowe's only loss was to a prime Evander Holyfield. He fought a very good fight and lost a close decision; probably could have got a draw. That should not be held against him.
Lewis lost to two weaker fighters. -Rahman and McCall (albiet it controversially.)

In summary, you have to look at the fights much more closely than you do. You have to take into consideration the stages of fighter's career as well as the stages of opponent's in their career .

You have to look at the losses- How close were they, who were they to? A close loss to a great fighter is not something you should hold against someone. A one-sided loss and/or a loss to an inferior fighter counts heavily against you.
Ultimately you should weight the importance of all the wins against all the losses draws, bad performances.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑28 May 2019, 10:44 I never said that Bowe was shot when he fought Golota or that we should throw out the Golota fights.

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 23:04 Another thing I find odd is that people are often bringing up the competition argument when it suits them and then disregarding it at other times. Most people today don't rate anyone Joe Louis beat in their top 10 and many don't have anyone he beat in their top 15. Yet so far I haven't seen anyone, even Onetimeonly argue Bowe should rate ahead of Joe Louis despite beating better opponents. I also don't see any of Marciano's victims in anyone's top 15 aside from a far-past it Louis.

overhand_right wrote: ↑30 May 2019, 05:53 This from the man who picks Henry Akinwande, who beat nobody, over Riddick Bowe, who beat prime Holyfield twice, nearly thrice, who is in literally everyone's all-time top 10.

But go on, tell me about people bringing up competition arguments when it suits them.