BoxRec

oogiebe wrote: ↑11 May 2019, 19:53 As amateur boxing goes, so goes the sport in America. We used to find heroes at the Olympics, now USA Boxing is practically invisible. Olympic boxing is what caused a resurgence in the UK, IMHO.

Past the team , you're hard pressed to fund Olympic boxing on TV. When we were young it was one of the marquee sports, now it's on ch 4500 at 5:15 am

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑11 May 2019, 19:55 Past the team , you're hard pressed to fund Olympic boxing on TV. When we were young it was one of the marquee sports, now it's on ch 4500 at 5:15 am

If that. We're light years from 1976.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑11 May 2019, 19:51 The boxing bosses got too greedy with the PPV. They used to have good boxing on tv free, like the Friday night fight of the week. US schools and colleges don't have boxing programs (when i was in college i wanted to box but the closest thing they had was wrestling which isn't close at all). Then all the right in your face corruption turns people off. Boxing dying in the US but MMA is growing in popularity.

Boxing used to be able to attract young fans in America, but not anymore. My local bookstore no longer sells boxing magazines. The rise of MMA is one reason, but boxing has also damaged itself. I think that the decisions in the Golovkin/Canelo fights hurt the sport significantly. The NFL also was similarly damaged because of collusion and corruption which is more noticeable now because of the recent conference championship games, but it has been going on for at least a decade. The journalism in boxing is biased because there is no money in it unless you are a shill. The ones that don’t get paid and do it for free are usually mediocre writers who cant edit their own work and even the editors of some websites do not know how to edit. Boxing has also declined because the best matchups are not being made often enough. The biggest news story in boxing recently was Kubrat Pulev kissing a woman on camera who was interviewing him. I don’t think that the female interviewer has a genuine interest in boxing. It’s just that boxing is accessible to anyone who wants to do videos about it. Because of that, there are people who just want to get a certain interview so they will be noticed more and maybe hired for modeling gigs. Newspapers in America barely cover boxing. Future fights are listed in the bottom corner of the last page. It seems that every sport has surpassed boxing in popularity in America. The good matchups that do get made does not guarantee a good fight and too often it is not a good fight which causes fans to lose interest in boxing.

" I think that the decisions in the Golovkin/Canelo fights hurt the sport significantly. "


It started long before that. Fake boxing judge decisions are now the rule rather than the exception in high profile fights, especially in places like Las Vegas and New York. Not just in the pros either. The olympics too. And, tho there have been flashes of interest, how could any intelligent person take boxing as a legitimate sport in the USA after the two Liston-Clay charades in 1964 and 65? Boxing has had a shady side since its inception, but it just gets worse instead of better, much worse.
And yes everything surrounding it too, the shill commentators, sports writers, naked sushi girls playing the role of fight interviewers...

RScarf1 wrote: ↑11 May 2019, 22:04 Boxing used to be able to attract young fans in America, but not anymore. My local bookstore no longer sells boxing magazines. The rise of MMA is one reason, but boxing has also damaged itself. I think that the decisions in the Golovkin/Canelo fights hurt the sport significantly. The NFL also was similarly damaged because of collusion and corruption which is more noticeable now because of the recent conference championship games, but it has been going on for at least a decade. The journalism in boxing is biased because there is no money in it unless you are a shill. The ones that don’t get paid and do it for free are usually mediocre writers who cant edit their own work and even the editors of some websites do not know how to edit. Boxing has also declined because the best matchups are not being made often enough. The biggest news story in boxing recently was Kubrat Pulev kissing a woman on camera who was interviewing him. I don’t think that the female interviewer has a genuine interest in boxing. It’s just that boxing is accessible to anyone who wants to do videos about it. Because of that, there are people who just want to get a certain interview so they will be noticed more and maybe hired for modeling gigs. Newspapers in America barely cover boxing. Future fights are listed in the bottom corner of the last page. It seems that every sport has surpassed boxing in popularity in America. The good matchups that do get made does not guarantee a good fight and too often it is not a good fight which causes fans to lose interest in boxing.

There has always been terrible decisions. There used to be less terrible fights. Boxers are overpaid, that's the problem here.

I have been here for a while, seems like 2003 tho it feels like was before that. I remember I used to be very active and remember discussing prospects that are now retired future hall of famers I remember most of my post history was erased on a forum purge years ago.

Its true at some point the forum changed and it wasnt as fun for a while but I recently came back and I like the current state of the community. Facebook has many pages but the amount of trolls posting garbage out there really gets annoying. I can still see good threads with healthy discussions here.

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 11:36 I have been here for a while, seems like 2003 tho it feels like was before that. I remember I used to be very active and remember discussing prospects that are now retired future hall of famers I remember most of my post history was erased on a forum purge years ago.

Its true at some point the forum changed and it wasnt as fun for a while but I recently came back and I like the current state of the community. Facebook has many pages but the amount of trolls posting garbage out there really gets annoying. I can still see good threads with healthy discussions here.

Fair points! There's more good than bad. Just need to rummage through some rants.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑12 May 2019, 21:40 " I think that the decisions in the Golovkin/Canelo fights hurt the sport significantly. "


It started long before that. Fake boxing judge decisions are now the rule rather than the exception in high profile fights, especially in places like Las Vegas and New York. Not just in the pros either. The olympics too. And, tho there have been flashes of interest, how could any intelligent person take boxing as a legitimate sport in the USA after the two Liston-Clay charades in 1964 and 65? Boxing has had a shady side since its inception, but it just gets worse instead of better, much worse.
And yes everything surrounding it too, the shill commentators, sports writers, naked sushi girls playing the role of fight interviewers...

I know there have been bad decisions throughout history, but I think the situation with Canelo is a lot worse than in the past because he is supposedly the best in boxing.

RScarf1 wrote: ↑28 May 2019, 07:23 I know there have been bad decisions throughout history, but I think the situation with Canelo is a lot worse than in the past because he is supposedly the best in boxing.

Bradley-Pacquiao?

Lewis-Holyfield?

Whitaker-Chavez?

De La Hoya-Sturm?

Toney-Tiberi?

Pacquiao-Marquez?

Weren't one or both of the competitors in the above list of fights considered amongst the pound-for-pound best of their respective eras?

Controversial decisions exist in boxing. It’s part and parcel of our beloved sport. This aspect will never be addressed.

The scoring of bouts is subjective in nature and there are unwritten rules preventing many from scoring evenly-contested rounds as 10-10, which inevitably results in our personal subjective stylistic preferences often determining the outcome of highly-competitive bouts.

Weight class and title proliferation have driven boxing to the fringes. Nothing else

Tv is there, money is there, talent is there too. Corruption has been part of the sport since the start

Think of mw. You could have 1 division and 1 belt with

Canelo
Ggg
Andrade
Jacobs
Harrison
Charlo
Charlo
J rock
Hurd
Lara
Gausha
Trout
Derevyanchenko

There are good matchups galore. When good matchups occur people watch. When good fights happen more fans are created

This past weekend is a prime example of the problem. Hrgovic and hunter fought no hopers instead of each other. They got their knockouts bit did even many of us watch those fights? I bet not...we all knew the outcome when those fights were announced

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑28 May 2019, 11:00This past weekend is a prime example of the problem. Hrgovic and hunter fought no hopers instead of each other. They got their knockouts bit did even many of us watch those fights? I bet not...we all knew the outcome when those fights were announced

I absolutely agree.

ESPN and DAZN seem to be protecting their big names, because their stables don't contain enough world-class fighters.

They're reluctant to work with the PBC also. Resulting in promoters being restricted to staging shows containing fights involving in-house talent or free agents, which are usually journeymen.

I’ve excluded the PBC from criticism, because we often see Haymon-affiliated fighters competing on events televised by ESPN & DAZN. However, we rarely see Eddie Hearn or Bob Arum allowing their guys to appear on Fox/Showtime.