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Tugger28 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 16:17 I hope Ruiz demands at least an 80-20 split, but there was probably something different in the rematch clause.

I believe the Ortiz contract said he would get $10m in the event of a rematch

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 16:19 I can’t see there being too many rigid or crazy clauses in the rematch contract as they never in their wildest dreams expected Joshua to get his arse handed to him, from past experience working in world title fights and dealing with the legal side and contracts etc I would assume that the original contract for the fight would of had numerous details as they do, 1 being in the case of A Ruiz win then there would be a rematch clause if the team so happen to want to execute it, with stipulations along the lines of Joshua picks venue and probably he gets 50/50 split and Matchroom in association with AJBxing co-promote the show other than that I can’t see there being a financial limitation or any rigid rules that would make it hard for Ruiz team to call some major shots and dictate a lot of the rematch clause is executed

I agree, at the end of the day Ruiz was lucky to have gotten a shot so I'm guessing he would have agreed to any terms.

Yh but like I say I think they might of dropped the ball to a degree mate, I really can’t see there being too much to not give Ruiz a lot of pull and say tbh as they didn’t expect this at all getting the useless fat guy in with 5 weeks notice little did they know that useless fat guy is a class class outright boxer, not just a athlete who fell into boxing late, with pure boxing pedigree from amateur elite 106-5 record through to pros, with imo the best fundemential boxing skills and ability and chin to go with his and hand speed out of any of the worlds boxers from Light-Heavyweight division up, imo.

If I was part of team Ruiz I would come to the UK for a Wembley stadium fight but would want £20 million British pounds, that includes % of gate, PPV, sponsorship etc as I could almost guarantee they never listed that as off limits in there rematch clause and contract

MasterG wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 16:23 I agree, at the end of the day Ruiz was lucky to have gotten a shot so I'm guessing he would have agreed to any terms.

I wonder how Whyte,Ortiz and Miller are feeling now ?,maybe as Eddie was running out of late options that Ruiz may have a got a better deal than we think

Tugger28 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 16:17 I hope Ruiz demands at least an 80-20 split, but there was probably something different in the rematch clause.

It probably was an 80/20 split in the rematch clause.

But the other way round

ewenhay wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 16:33 It probably was an 80/20 split in the rematch clause.

But the other way round

andy got paid very nicely for the first and hell prob be on more for the second, doubt hell get too demandy or have the legal holes to do so

Tugger28 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 16:34

I never wanted Joshua to lose like that but it was worth it to see fast cars clock afterwards

Coco wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 14:57 Having in the Aztec Stadium will give Ruiz a big advantage, now it's up to the promoters to put the money up.
He will be at a big disadvantage fighting in London with our Terry reffing!
Surely Hayman will pay to keep Ruiz at home.

Terry packed in reffing. He'll be one of the judges instead

bigjack wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 16:38 I never wanted Joshua to lose like that but it was worth it to see fast cars clock afterwards

That’s how I think a lot of people feel I think, Hearn is a good promoter but he’s a cocky fcuker, bit of humble pie will do him good.

MasterG wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 14:20Ruiz wants it in Mexico

And I think Joshua should agree to that. Ruiz beat him fair and square, and it's both a mark of respect and a display of courage to rematch the champ at home.

If AJ's truly good enough to reclaim and beat Fury and Wilder, this is the sort of challenge he needs to relish.

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 17:02 And I think Joshua should agree to that. Ruiz beat him fair and square, and it's both a mark of respect and a display of courage to rematch the champ at home.

If AJ's truly good enough to reclaim and beat Fury and Wilder, this is the sort of challenge he needs to relish.

I'd be completely shocked if they went to Mexico. I don't think they'll be wanting to fight out of the UK in the future unless they are forced to.

I guess it depends on the rematch clauses but now they've confirmed they exist I expect them to be heavily stacked in matchroom's favour.

mexicos just fun talk, not a chance it happens there

AJ & Hearn must be very keen for another hiding I guess

jamamb wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 17:15mexicos just fun talk, not a chance it happens there

The O2, else Wembley.

I just think it'd show all the right ingredients from Joshua if he demanded to meet in Mexico. I reckon it's what Ali would've done.

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 17:20 The O2, else Wembley.

I just think it'd show all the right ingredients from Joshua if he demanded to meet in Mexico. I reckon it's what Ali would've done.

They'll want it in London. They'll want their usual ref with their usual judges. And they'll want more than the lion's share of the purse. They'll want to choose the ring and the gloves. And every other advantage they can get.

ewenhay wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 17:30 They'll want it in London. They'll want their usual ref with their usual judges. And they'll want more than the lion's share of the purse. They'll want to choose the ring and the gloves. And every other advantage they can get.

No doubt about it. Ruiz will be a stern test regardless. He's coming over as the heavyweight champion and should be afforded the respect that title deserves. It will be a huge event and I think Wembley is still viable. Could it do 80000? I think so.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 17:34 No doubt about it. Ruiz will be a stern test regardless. He's coming over as the heavyweight champion and should be afforded the respect that title deserves. It will be a huge event and I think Wembley is still viable. Could it do 80000? I think so.

If Ruiz wins the rematch under those circumstances it will be an even bigger statement than the first win.

Let's see if he can handle being the champion with something to lose. I think he can but you can never say for certain.

Time will tell if this is the right choice for Joshua, he'll know what went wrong in the fight, if it's a long term issue that he needs to address then maybe he shouldve waited a bit, if it was something specific for this camp then he's good enough to beat Ruiz I still believe if he corrects things

Joshua's not as good technically as Kovalev but the way Kova outboxed Alvarez in the rematch is exactly what AJ should be thinking to do second time around

handsofstone wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 18:15 Time will tell if this is the right choice for Joshua, he'll know what went wrong in the fight, if it's a long term issue that he needs to address then maybe he shouldve waited a bit, if it was something specific for this camp then he's good enough to beat Ruiz I still believe if he corrects things

Joshua's not as good technically as Kovalev but the way Kova outboxed Alvarez in the rematch is exactly what AJ should be thinking to do second time around

I'm just not sure Joshua can do that. People have a lot of faith in Joshua outboxing ruiz but I don't see where it comes from. I didn't really see anything in the fight that would lead me to believe Joshua can do a kovalev here. I don't think he has the skills that people think he does. Hell get hit and hurt again and taken out if he gives ground to ruiz. For me he has to be willing to exchange with ruiz and get there first. He's got fast hands himself.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 18:33 I'm just not sure Joshua can do that. People have a lot of faith in Joshua outboxing ruiz but I don't see where it comes from. I didn't really see anything in the fight that would lead me to believe Joshua can do a kovalev here. I don't think he has the skills that people think he does.

It's strange. I don't understand how AJ has fooled so many people (including respected boxing analysts) into think his skillset is much greater than it actually is. I don't think he's anywhere near Ruiz on pure boxing ability and only his power makes it remotely interesting.

Ricky wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 18:55 It's strange. I don't understand how AJ has fooled so many people (including respected boxing analysts) into think his skillset is much greater than it actually is. I don't think he's anywhere near Ruiz on pure boxing ability and only his power makes it remotely interesting.

It's because he is so big and tall and uses his long shots so well. He is not an inside fighter.

Ricky wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 18:55 It's strange. I don't understand how AJ has fooled so many people (including respected boxing analysts) into think his skillset is much greater than it actually is. I don't think he's anywhere near Ruiz on pure boxing ability and only his power makes it remotely interesting.

Ruiz had 105 amateur fights. It shows as a difference in the ring. AJ has the physical advantages but Ruiz the pedigree. AJ will have a game plan for the rematch and I'd bet he wins this time. Nothing fancy, just hard jabs to the head and keeping proper distance. Be patient and wait for the openings to smack Ruiz. Tighten up the defense by merely keeping his freakin hands up (no body jabs) and high guard. And lastly avoid exchanges as much as possible. First fight was a good lesson for the lad, if he can take advantage of it. He'll also be way more relaxed in there.

Coco wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 18:58 It's because he is so big and tall and uses his long shots so well. He is not an inside fighter.

I disagree, AJ has generally fought at mid range, hes not used his height snd reach anywhere near enough, too reliant on his power by far.

ruiz had those am fights but didnt really accomplish much tbf, look at his results, aj was a far better amateur without knocking everyone out