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Counter-puncher wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 05:58 it's so clear, you can't say what it is.

the kind of 'clarity' I have come to expect from you.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 06:01 somehow wilder was involved!

I wouldn’t dismiss wilders involvement if I were you. Wilder looks like the type that practices voodoo (no racism intended).

kudos to EO for using the phrase 'god of the gaps'. that's the first genuinely eloquent thing he's ever said

Funnily enough i actually watched this fight for the first time a couple of nights ago

boxing-wise i thought AJ looked pretty much as he always does. the weird mannerisms/smiling etc mostly came after he'd been punched silly so I'm not sure I'd read too much into that. but boxingwise it's not as though some slick smooth operator suddenly turned out all lethargic and stiff. he's always been stiff, he's always had pretty poor footwork, he's always had most of the flaws he showed.

Sounds reasonable. Only thing perhaps different was his over eagerness to end things once he hurt Ruiz.

Or maybe that’s not giving enough credit to the toughness and fighting spirit of Ruiz who was down and hurt and had the balls to trade with the big man AJ and clip him. You can’t teach that ok my opinion, you have it or you don’t.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 05:58 it's so clear, you can't say what it is.

the kind of 'clarity' I have come to expect from you.

Oogh you mean heartless bitch . I'm in floods of tears now.

It's normally easy enough to tell, for example, that someone is dead. Not necessarily so easy to tell what they died of.

All I'm saying is that Joshua didn't seem his normal self before the fight. Many people have said the same but nobody but Joshua and maybe those closest to him, know what was bothering him. Sorry I can't provide clarity but my crystal ball has got a bit misted up. I'm not making excuses. AJ was responsible for coming into the ring fully fit and ready and in the right frame of mind. Andy beat him soundly fair and square.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 05:53 He looked good until he got careless trying to make an emphatic statement and got caught with a shot he never recovered from.

This. for the umpteenth time.

I wonder if Joshua didn't "look right" before some of his other fights but nobody bothered noticing, or caring, because he won.

But as soon as he loses, fans pour over the Ruiz tape with a microscope, analyzing what they see (or think they see) as if it were the Zapruder film.

I can only say what I believe I saw. I can't say that I thought something was up before the fight because I knew the result before I watched it, but from what I've heard others did.

Anyway he lost. Ruiz is the champ. It doesn't really matter about Joshua's state now does it?

to much off a blanket statement ,from when did he stop taking them? maybe there is a truth in it but there is nose substance in what he said

No “substance”

The facts are:

Whyte has served a drugs ban

AJ is tested

AJ ain’t been busted


Whyte is in danger of becoming a whiney little bitch. Put up or shut up now.

Joshua looked oddly detached before the fight and quite strange indeed after. I never saw anyone looking so happy to have lost his championship belt. He couldn't stop smiling. He didn't "take a dive" either. He was beaten down. His stock has plummeted.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 22:15 Hearn isn't a doctor.

He had no idea whether Joshua was concussed or not.

I doubt he personally performed any evaluation or scans.

Hearn? Of course he's not a doctor. That's why they employ ring doctors (assuming they're not just actors pretending to be doctors). They are the ones who are supposed to determine if a boxer is seriously injured.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 13:27 Hearn? Of course he's not a doctor. That's why they employ ring doctors (assuming they're not just actors pretending to be doctors). They are the ones who are supposed to determine if a boxer is seriously injured.

Right.

So you would agree that when Hearn said afterward that Joshua was concussed, he didn't really have the expertise to conclude that either way.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 14:09 Right.

So you would agree that when Hearn said afterward that Joshua was concussed, he didn't really have the expertise to conclude that either way.

I wasn't even aware that Hearn said that, and yeah sure I would agree.

"Promoter Eddie Hearn said: “He was definitely slightly concussed but he felt he lost to a better fighter.
“I don’t think he knew where he was, he did not know where he was."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/9203209/ ... y-ruiz-jr/

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 14:19 I wasn't even aware that Hearn said that, and yeah sure I would agree.

"Promoter Eddie Hearn said: “He was definitely slightly concussed but he felt he lost to a better fighter.
“I don’t think he knew where he was, he did not know where he was."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/9203209/ ... y-ruiz-jr/

I wasn't sure that he said it either.

But I was addressing yesterday's Jeff_lacy-ko's post where he said that Joshua was unable to attend the post-fight press conference and "even his promoter said he was concussed."

Joshua, of course, denies that he was ever concussed, either pre-fight or during the bout.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 14:36 I wasn't sure that he said it either.

But I was addressing yesterday's Jeff_lacy-ko's post where he said that Joshua was unable to attend the post-fight press conference and "even his promoter said he was concussed."

Joshua, of course, denies that he was ever concussed, either pre-fight or during the bout.

I'd be shocked if he did not get a concussion in that fight

SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 14:36 I wasn't sure that he said it either.

But I was addressing yesterday's Jeff_lacy-ko's post where he said that Joshua was unable to attend the post-fight press conference and "even his promoter said he was concussed."

Joshua, of course, denies that he was ever concussed, either pre-fight or during the bout.

Did the (alleged) ring doctor even look into his eyes and give him the usual cursory instant exam afterwards? If a concussion was suspected he should have been sent to a hospital for examination. He did appear to be OK afterwards, not disoriented, dizzy, etc. - except he seemed so unnaturally happy.

people talk about drugs like there magic. what would he be on then epo? ,a muscle building steriods , drugs to help him recover, a meth like one to perk him up get the reflects firing ,there is to many about to suggest did a aj ever fail a drug test ? , and even if he wasnt taking (drugs) he should still off been able to beat ruiz , i mean he has been hurt in many of his fights if the ukrainian had anything about him aj would off been gone then . i mean yes he has big muscles, but for his height there not out of releam of natural , i mean his chest and latissimus dorsi arnt huge. yea has big big bicecps at nearlry 18 stone if you lift so you should he is a body builder, i have 16 inch biceps at 6ft lowish 18 to 20 body fat and i have been lifting 20 years , but those muscles are the ones you hit most as young teen and shoulders when you grow the most. which aj is mainly biceps,forearms.good shoulders , also when you see pics of him there after a work out when the blood is flowing through them , i bet he does weights before the weigh in, would i be surprised if he was using no i wouldnt

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 14:55 Did the (alleged) ring doctor even look into his eyes and give him the usual cursory instant exam afterwards? If a concussion was suspected he should have been sent to a hospital for examination. He did appear to be OK afterwards, not disoriented, dizzy, etc. - except he seemed so unnaturally happy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... oss-2019-6

Joshua did come back AMA to answer questions later