WILLIAMS KLITSCHKO SPOILER

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 13 Dec 2004, 12:14

wouter wrote:Toney has three times as much ability as Vitali and Wladimir combined, whether he's big enough remains to be seen.

Toney is a trashtalking motherfucker and hasn´t proven anything in this division. maybe he was a good middleweight in former times.......

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 13 Dec 2004, 15:40

i'd like to see toney/vitali, just to see how a defensive wizard like toney would deal with such a huge problem in front of him. toney would not be able to lay a glove on vitali. I think it would look a lot like saturday night's fight.

shakermaker · Post by **shakermaker** » 13 Dec 2004, 17:01

I only used Toney as an example because Stu mentioned speed. IMO I don't believe Toney has a chance but it would be entertaining and he'd put up a better fight than Danny.

Fact is there isn't anybody out there to truly test Vitali right now. He's a a league above the likes of Ruiz/Golota/Byrd etc

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 13 Dec 2004, 20:33

Toney really is a site to see when he gets going with the lateral movement and counter-combos. His chin has been solid all through the weight divisions, but he does take the odd shot flush and has been rocked by guys much smaller than Vitali. I think if Toney could produce his best for 36 minutes straight he would school, really school, Vitali. I don't see that happening though, I think Klitschko would connect at some point within the first 3 rounds and it would be downhill from there. I don't think Toney would absorb as much as Danny Williams.

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 14 Dec 2004, 06:39

BubiScholz wrote:Toney is a trashtalking motherfucker and hasn´t proven anything in this division. maybe he was a good middleweight in former times.......

I don't think you've ever seen a fight outside of what's offered on german TV and Eurosport.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Dec 2004, 06:50

wouter wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:Toney is a trashtalking motherfucker and hasn´t proven anything in this division. maybe he was a good middleweight in former times.......
I don't think you've ever seen a fight outside of what's offered on german TV and Eurosport.

you´re completely wrong, cheesehead. but i´m not interested in old middleweight fights of Toney.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Dec 2004, 06:51

wouter wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:Toney is a trashtalking motherfucker and hasn´t proven anything in this division. maybe he was a good middleweight in former times.......
I don't think you've ever seen a fight outside of what's offered on german TV and Eurosport.

you´re completely wrong, cheesehead. but i´m not interested in old middleweight fights of Toney.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Dec 2004, 06:51

wouter wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:Toney is a trashtalking motherfucker and hasn´t proven anything in this division. maybe he was a good middleweight in former times.......
I don't think you've ever seen a fight outside of what's offered on german TV and Eurosport.

you´re completely wrong, cheesehead. but i´m not interested in old middleweight fights of Toney.

J · Post by J » 14 Dec 2004, 08:02

you can say that again, and again and again, oh you just did, did, did

i do love the irony of calling saying toney trash talkas then calling him a motherfucker.

who says germans dont have a sense of humour!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Dec 2004, 08:05

BubiScholz wrote:
wouter wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:Toney is a trashtalking motherfucker and hasn´t proven anything in this division. maybe he was a good middleweight in former times.......
I don't think you've ever seen a fight outside of what's offered on german TV and Eurosport.
you´re completely wrong, cheesehead. but i´m not interested in old middleweight fights of Toney.

Maybe you missed Toney beating the poo out of Jirov at CRUISERWEIGHT? Toney took him to school and blocked almost everything that Jirov threw at him.

I don't think Toney is big enough to beat Klitschko though, he just won't be able to get near him, and his lack of movement around the ring will make it too easy for Vitali.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 15 Dec 2004, 13:57

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
wouter wrote: I don't think you've ever seen a fight outside of what's offered on german TV and Eurosport.
you´re completely wrong, cheesehead. but i´m not interested in old middleweight fights of Toney.
Maybe you missed Toney beating the poo out of Jirov at CRUISERWEIGHT? Toney took him to school and blocked almost everything that Jirov threw at him.

I don't think Toney is big enough to beat Klitschko though, he just won't be able to get near him, and his lack of movement around the ring will make it too easy for Vitali.

Jirov and Toney are no serious opponents in heavy especialy for Vitali.

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 16 Dec 2004, 05:44

....and Danny Williams and Corrie Sanders were?

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 16 Dec 2004, 06:06

wouter wrote:....and Danny Williams and Corrie Sanders were?

If Corrie Sanders would take this sport serious he would be one of the best. but anyway he is a top twenty guy and has won the WBO-title. he would be able to win it back vs Brewster.

Williams is as i always said a domestic fighter with no chance even for the EBU-belt.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Dec 2004, 06:46

wouter wrote:....and Danny Williams and Corrie Sanders were?

They are both big punching natural heavyweights.....

Jirov just got sparked by fornicating Moorer for christ's sake...

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 16 Dec 2004, 07:31

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
wouter wrote:They are both big punching natural heavyweights.....

So's Riddick Bowe

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Dec 2004, 07:35

Don't be so bloody stupid.

Riddick Bowe was shot to shit 8 YEAR AGO! He looked like shit in both fights with Golota, in fact, he looked like shit against Holyfield in their third fight, his punch resistance was completely gone after years of dehydrting himself to get his weight down and treating his body like a donut graveyard. Riddick Bowe is probably 10 years past his best now, and after 8 years of inactivity he's hardly going to come back on best form.

Williams was 31, fit, and wanted to win. Sanders was past it, but not shot by any stretch.

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 16 Dec 2004, 07:56

Who cares if they're shot, Williams and Sanders were just not good enough to begin with. They didn't enter the Tyson and Wlad. Klitschko fights as huge underdogs for nothing.
Toney is in a different class, ability-wise, than both of these guys even though he's not a 'big punching natural heavyweight.'
If that's your only criterium then Vitali might as well fight Bowe. He's still big punching (I presume) and very, very much a natural heavyweight. He probably just can't fight anymore.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Dec 2004, 08:15

Cobblers. Bowe is shot, his punch resistance is gone, Toney is at least active and not some buggered guy looking for some paydays.

I would give Toney a very very slim chance, due to his technical ability, but the size discrepancy is too much for every Toney to overcome. Toney should be fighting at cruiserweight really, he'd kick ass there.

Raff The Frenchman · Post by **Raff The Frenchman** » 16 Dec 2004, 08:15

Toney is a very good cruiserweight...CRUISERWEIGHT ! just like Oscar DLH is an outstanding welter, he gets his arse kicked at middleweight...Toney is 5'11...even with his skills, he can never match the power of guys like Vitali he cannot compensate for the fact he is the much smaller man...also he is much too cocky and has only fought a 40y old Holyfield and bumkiller fat Rydel Booker...so the facts are Toney is a small cruiserweight who has proven nothing at HW and who acts as if he was the real deal !

E · Post by E » 16 Dec 2004, 09:54

Raff The Frenchman wrote:Toney is a very good cruiserweight...CRUISERWEIGHT ! just like Oscar DLH is an outstanding welter, he gets his arse kicked at middleweight...Toney is 5'11...even with his skills, he can never match the power of guys like Vitali he cannot compensate for the fact he is the much smaller man...also he is much too cocky and has only fought a 40y old Holyfield and bumkiller fat Rydel Booker...so the facts are Toney is a small cruiserweight who has proven nothing at HW and who acts as if he was the real deal !

Vitali would batter Toney - and I would love wtahcing it.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Dec 2004, 10:24

Toney would make a go of it, but even his chin couldn't stand that kind of mullering for that long. He might last the distance, but he'll lost almost every round doing so.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 16 Dec 2004, 10:25

[quote="Cannibal"]It's a pity that Danny won't even be able to tell his grandkids about it cause with the brain damage he'll possibly have in the long run he probably won't remember the fight in 10 years time.

Bad taste.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 16 Dec 2004, 10:36

E wrote:
Raff The Frenchman wrote:Toney is a very good cruiserweight...CRUISERWEIGHT ! just like Oscar DLH is an outstanding welter, he gets his arse kicked at middleweight...Toney is 5'11...even with his skills, he can never match the power of guys like Vitali he cannot compensate for the fact he is the much smaller man...also he is much too cocky and has only fought a 40y old Holyfield and bumkiller fat Rydel Booker...so the facts are Toney is a small cruiserweight who has proven nothing at HW and who acts as if he was the real deal !
Vitali would batter Toney - and I would love wtahcing it.

then the whole hype is over.