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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 07:58 agreed, bob is really selfish and alturistic, whereas a guy like haymon is an altruist and clearly working to make the sport better

To be fair, whilst Haymon deserves to receive a certain amount of criticism, like other key figures in the sport does (including Hearn, De La Hoya, Duva, Arum, Espinoza, Denyer etc.), his fighters are very well looked after.

Even those that ended their ties with Haymon, through retirement or working with others, are always expressing their gratitude towards him.

This is a fight hearn should buy and put on dazn. Instead of spending money on an atg like jesse vargas and steve rolls

Haymon is a ruthless blood sucking parasite drinking the life blood out of the sport. His recent success has been because he gets his fighters a little bit more money and media coverage then the other parasites. He understands publicity, a bit. Comparing between them is like choosing between a tick, a flea, a mosquito, or a vampire bat with AIDS.

If you're smart you can calculate which one sucks the lesser volume of blood, which one will give you less malaria or whatever but they all suck. Arum, he's a vampire that has contracts with devils, he would have died decades ago if he wasn't constantly sucking the stem cells out of newborns.

As for the fight itself, if it ever happens, I think it's a bad matchup for Crawford. Porter's a bad matchup for anyone, Spence probably is the best stylistically. Crawford likes to see patterns, likes to pick and choose his moments, carefully counter at exactly the right time.

There's a good chance he wins, fights a smart fight like Thurman and Brook, but then Porter almost won those fights. I thought he won one of those fights. I can't remember seeing Crawford up against a big brawler who likes to go toe to toe. At this point I wonder how Crawford will do without the size and speed advantage.

I consider this a bad matchup for Porter. He will piss TCraw off and get stopped mid to late.

ironbeard wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 18:55 I consider this a bad matchup for Porter. He will piss TCraw off and get stopped mid to late.

ya, surprised by how many people ive seen who think this is some real competitive one, i think porter is made for crawford even thogh he'll be his best opponent on paper

When has crawford been pushed with size, speed, awkwardness and tenacity porter brings?

When has porter been soundly beaten? Hes been in with much better opposition and fought at a high level

porter has been in with much better opposition but typically lost in those fights (and imo lost to the great ugas), i dont think he really has impressive speed either?

it's obviously craw's best on paper, but i think the wild mauling style makes port tailor made for craw's well-timed counters, a bit like how brook neutralized porter to beat him 8-4. on paper and in the ring arent the same thing, and i think craw is level above porter in the latter, i really hope the bookies make it a super close fight though

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 08:43

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 07:58 agreed, bob is really selfish and alturistic, whereas a guy like haymon is an altruist and clearly working to make the sport better

To be fair, whilst Haymon deserves to receive a certain amount of criticism, like other key figures in the sport does (including Hearn, De La Hoya, Duva, Arum, Espinoza, Denyer etc.), his fighters are very well looked after.

Even those that ended their ties with Haymon, through retirement or working with others, are always expressing their gratitude towards him.

i agree, he's clearly very good for his fighters, i ve never seen fighters worship a promoter/advisor/whatever the hell he is so much

some of these dudes even named their kid after him

At some point Porter pisses Crawford off in the fight and TC turns on beast mode and gets rid of him.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 19:13 porter has been in with much better opposition but typically lost in those fights (and imo lost to the great ugas), i dont think he really has impressive speed either?

it's obviously craw's best on paper, but i think the wild mauling style makes port tailor made for craw's well-timed counters, a bit like how brook neutralized porter to beat him 8-4. on paper and in the ring arent the same thing, and i think craw is level above porter in the latter, i really hope the bookies make it a super close fight though

He lost by a round to spence and thurman
He beat garcia

Evern Ugas, alexander, and berto are better than anyone Crawford has beat

Porter has good speed its one of the reasons he has no trouble getting inside on everyone he fights. Hes also dirty as all hell

Haymon does his job well. There are clear instances where he self dealt instead of acting in his fighters best interest but those are few and far between

His fiduciary duty is owed to his fighters not fans.

Hes good at fleecing investors and tv networks

Hes helped crush the quality of the sport

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 07:09

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 19:13 porter has been in with much better opposition but typically lost in those fights (and imo lost to the great ugas), i dont think he really has impressive speed either?

it's obviously craw's best on paper, but i think the wild mauling style makes port tailor made for craw's well-timed counters, a bit like how brook neutralized porter to beat him 8-4. on paper and in the ring arent the same thing, and i think craw is level above porter in the latter, i really hope the bookies make it a super close fight though

He lost by a round to spence and thurman
He beat garcia

Evern Ugas, alexander, and berto are better than anyone Crawford has beat

Porter has good speed its one of the reasons he has no trouble getting inside on everyone he fights. Hes also dirty as all hell

ya, uh, so porter has fought tougher comp than craw, not sure many would disagree with that, though in cases of guys like berto you have someone who was ko'd by soto karass and alexander a guy who 1 fight later got 12-0 by craw victim amir khan. to me just listing down guys like this has very little relation to what actually would go on in the ring

he lost to spence, thurman, and brook all clearly to me......in case of the brook fight i thought he won 3-4 rounds top, hardly landing a clean shot and being countered by a guy with superior timing. also had him losing to ugas. he's a good fighter and clearly fought tougher comp than crawford, but resumes dont win fights in the ring.....he had a better record than brook too and a much better record than ugas

the lunging, open style makes him someone who fits well for a counter puncher like crawford. we've already seen it play out vs brook, who is not as good as crawford. i think craw is faster, obviously a harder puncher, superior timing, and generally better in most areas. this is stuff that you can see the differences in even vs 2nd tier opposition. im sure porter would give it go, but as most cases when he fights top guys i doubt he wins, though it would be great if the bookies make it 50-50!

how would you see the fight going?

i forgot porter also drew with julio diaz, i'll give him a break for that one though since it was earlier in his career, but again, i dont think a talent like craw would have that type of thing happen to them

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 15:55

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 07:09

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 19:13 porter has been in with much better opposition but typically lost in those fights (and imo lost to the great ugas), i dont think he really has impressive speed either?

it's obviously craw's best on paper, but i think the wild mauling style makes port tailor made for craw's well-timed counters, a bit like how brook neutralized porter to beat him 8-4. on paper and in the ring arent the same thing, and i think craw is level above porter in the latter, i really hope the bookies make it a super close fight though

He lost by a round to spence and thurman
He beat garcia

Evern Ugas, alexander, and berto are better than anyone Crawford has beat

Porter has good speed its one of the reasons he has no trouble getting inside on everyone he fights. Hes also dirty as all hell

ya, uh, so porter has fought tougher comp than craw, not sure many would disagree with that, though in cases of guys like berto you have someone who was ko'd by soto karass and alexander a guy who 1 fight later got 12-0 by craw victim amir khan. to me just listing down guys like this has very little relation to what actually would go on in the ring

he lost to spence, thurman, and brook all clearly to me......in case of the brook fight i thought he won 3-4 rounds top, hardly landing a clean shot and being countered by a guy with superior timing. also had him losing to ugas. he's a good fighter and clearly fought tougher comp than crawford, but resumes dont win fights in the ring.....he had a better record than brook too and a much better record than ugas

the lunging, open style makes him someone who fits well for a counter puncher like crawford. we've already seen it play out vs brook, who is not as good as crawford. i think craw is faster, obviously a harder puncher, superior timing, and generally better in most areas. this is stuff that you can see the differences in even vs 2nd tier opposition. im sure porter would give it go, but as most cases when he fights top guys i doubt he wins, though it would be great if the bookies make it 50-50!

how would you see the fight going?

Not sure. It will be entertaining and I want to see it.

Porter Views Crawford Fight As Biggest Of His Career: I Don't Think The World Can Get Any More Excited

It was music to Shawn Porter’s ears.

The recent news that the WBO sanctioning organization had ordered a welterweight title fight between WBO champion Terence Crawford and Porter, a former titleholder and top contender, had the boxing world buzzing with delight.

Porter, it turned out, was just as surprised and elated as the next hardcore boxing fan.

“That’s mind-blowing, right?” Porter said of the mandate on his eponymous The Porter Way Podcast.

The two fighters have until Aug. 20 to reach a deal. If they fail to do so, the fight will go to a purse bid. While an order is hardly a guarantee that the fight will actually happen, it puts pressure on two rival organizations to work together to come up with an arrangement. Crawford (37-0, 28KOs), a three-division titleholder, is promoted by Top Rank, while Porter is aligned with Premier Boxing Champions; neither entity is all that fond of working with the other, though there have been exceptions (like the forthcoming third heavyweight rematch between Top Rank-backed Tyson Fury and PBC-backed Deontay Wilder).

“I can’t say too much about the fight, but we’re happy to see the announcement,” said Porter, who is currently handling commentary duties for NBC’s coverage of boxing at the Tokyo Olympics. “We, being myself and my dad, were surprised at the announcement. We’re really just kind of in that space right now where ‘Wow, didn’t see this coming. This is a pleasant surprise.’ At this point it’s just a matter of time.

“More than anything I’m grateful to see something like that happen.”

Although Porter (31-3-1, 17KOs) has fought nearly everyone of consequence in the 147-pound division – from Keith Thurman to Danny Garcia to Errol Spence Jr. – he seemed to indicate that a match with Crawford would represent not only the most significant fight of his career from a matchmaking perspective, but also from a commercial standpoint. Certainly for Crawford, who has long been lampooned for his dismal resume at 147, Porter would represent much the same.

“My aspirations of being a professional came when I saw [Mavin] Hagler versus [Tommy] Hearns,” said Porter. “It wasn’t just the fight that happened. I saw a lot of people in the back, in the video that I was watching and I just thought to myself ‘I want that, someday.’ I want to be able to fight in front of so many people and have everybody on their feet, one day. That’s kind of how my dreams of being a professional fighter started.

“So I think, fast forward, this situation right here will bring everything all in. I don’t think I can get a bigger crowd than this, I don’t think the world can get any more excited than what I’m doing in boxing more than they are about this. I think the news is awesome when I heard it. Getting everybody talking right now, everybody’s excited about me and Terence and the fight, and the WBO and all that. That’s exactly where I want to be in boxing right now.

“I don’t think the sport of boxing is dying. Moments like this keep it more than alive.”

The sport isn't dying, it's dead. Hell, even the UK boom is slowing down.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑31 Jul 2021, 09:42 The sport isn't dying, it's dead. Hell, even the UK boom is slowing down.

UK is in a transition period, as it is every 3-4 years..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑31 Jul 2021, 11:30

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑31 Jul 2021, 09:42 The sport isn't dying, it's dead. Hell, even the UK boom is slowing down.

UK is in a transition period, as it is every 3-4 years..

The UK is transitioning into the overpaid promoters and fighters putting every good fight on ppv. That's the model that killed it here. Takes time.

The sport is dead until sucker investors (haymon backers) and networks (dazn, espn) wise up on how poor the boxing roi is because the fighters are overpaid

It has started to happen slowly. It will accelerate very quickly and we will have a small Renaissance of the glory days

What happened in boxing the past decade is representative of what has happened to the world economy

Easy money fueled by low interest rates has spurned malinvestment in every industry. Boxing had easy money sent to arum, hear, haymon and they inflated salaries which affected competition in the boxing market

When things slow down the crash in these industries will be sudden. Almost overnight spence will be fighting crawford.

I'll go out on a limb and predict Crawford will be the first to stop Porter....IF the fight gets signed.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 17:06

Bandog wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 16:59 Crawford's being dishonest saying finally a PBC fighter is being forced to fight him. Porter has called him out for months now.

That said, Crawford beats him no question if he boxes smart and avoids a brawl. If he fights like Spence fought Porter, he loses.

Buts he’s not wrong. Porter is now being forced. Before he was calling him out and saying how he wants to be paid his worth etc, which fair enough I understand..

No one can be forced really.

Top Rank and Terence Crawford definitely didn’t previously want the Shawn Porter fight.

Instead, they were desperately hoping to face a blown-up junior welterweight, such as Regis Prograis, Jose Ramirez or Jose Zepeda on the 23rd October.

Top Rank was even considering Josesito Lopez, another fighter who’s natural habitat (or optimal fighting weight) is 140lbs.

However, it seems the WBO have forced Top Rank and Terence Crawford’s hands, by forcing them to make the Shawn Porter bout!

If the fight goes to purse bids, expect Top Rank to submit a lowball offer, with the expectation that Fox or Showtime will, in conjunction with the PBC, to cover the bout.

If you have any doubts about my claims, read the quotes and articles below:

14th November, 2020:
“I don’t give a sh-t,” Arum told [Dan Rafel].

“I don’t care because what (the Crawford camp) did was reprehensible. The lawyer sent a letter to us. OK, that’s fine. That’s what lawyers do. But you don’t release it to the press. All of this should have been behind closed doors like what men do. I’m not going to take this sh-t.

“I’m just not going to do it, because the truth is I’ve lost money with this guy.”

“It will be (another Crawford promotion) another hit on my net worth,

“I’m being serious. I turned the whole project of Crawford over to (Top Rank president and Arum stepson) Todd (duBoef). I washed my hands of it.

“I’m too emotional about it. There was this last kerfuffle with the Brook fight when he didn’t sign the contracts so we couldn’t promote on (the) Lomachenko-Lopez (telecast). I have long since departed working with Crawford.”

16th December, 2020:
"Terence Crawford NOT interested in Shawn Porter fight"

“That’s not a fight that I’m focused on right now or even worried about,” said Crawford to DAZN about a fight between him and Porter.

“I’m focused on other things right now. If we had to fight and if it made sense, then that would be a fight that we would both agree upon.

“But right now, I feel like that’s not something we should discuss right now, because there’s nothing on the table for me,” said Crawford.

17th May, 2021:
"Top Rank not interested in making Crawford-Porter"

Top Rank's Bruce Trampler responding to Kenny Porter's statement that Top Rank was not interested in making a fight between Kenny's son Shawn Porter and WBO welterweight champion Terence Crawford:

"Kenny Porter is a good man and gave an accurate account of matters, but reality is that fight is too costly for what fighters want to be paid without fans.

"Big fights have to go on PPV, but TV isn’t near enough.

"Remember, fighters want huge guarantees with no risk. We’ve paid big guarantees for decades but not in these times."

22nd June, 2021:


22nd June, 2021:


22nd July, 2021:
"Terence Crawford ordered to make Shawn Porter WBO defence - reports"

The welterweight champion finally has another fight on the horizon.

Terence Crawford has reportedly been told to defend his WBO welterweight championship against Shawn Porter by the governing body.

The undefeated American, often mentioned as one of the contenders for the world’s best pound-for-pound boxer, has often been at odds with his Top Rank head Bob Arum over which fights he should make, but there is a clear way forward for him now, reports Sky Sports.

Porter - a former welterweight world champion himself - and Porter have to come to an agreement by August 20, otherwise the fight will go to purse bids.

Crawford has won belts at three weights over the course of his career, and has not suffered a loss in 37 fights. He has beaten British fighters Amir Khan and Kell Brook to defend his WBO belt, both wins coming by stoppage.

The fight means that any clash between Crawford and Josh Taylor, the newly crowned undisputed light welterweight, will have to wait. Taylor has also been linked with Teofimo Lopez, who is eager to defend his lightweight belts against his IBF mandatory, George Kambosos Jr.

Terence Crawford vs. Shawn Porter to happen in November

Bob Arum is working on a deal between WBO welterweight champion Terence Crawford and Shawn Porter for November. The Top Rank promoter Arum believes the Crawford-Porter fight will make money, and he feels there’s a great chance he can make it happen.

After months of no movement between Top Rank and PBC to put a fight together between #2 WBA-ranked Porter (31-3-1, 17 KOs) and Crawford (37-0, 28 KOs), the World Boxing Organization put things into their own hands last week by ordering the fight.

It was an excellent way for the sanctioning body to force the fight because it’s likely that Porter would have stayed near or at the top of the WBO’s rankings and never gotten a voluntary title shot by Crawford.

With the WBO ordering the match, Crawford and Top Rank have no choice in the matter. They either make the fight, or they got to give up the WBO 147-lb strap.

If the fight doesn’t get made on Top Rank’s side, it takes away Crawford’s argument that none of the elite fighters have wanted to fight him. This would be a perfect example of an elite guy wanting to face Crawford, but his promoters didn’t want to do it for whatever reason.

“We’re working very hard behind the scenes with Porter, PBC, and everybody to make that fight happen. If it happens, it’ll happen in November, and I really believe there’s a great opportunity for the fight to happen,” said Arum to iFL TV on the Terence Crawford vs. Shawn Porter fight.


This will benefit Top Rank if Crawford takes the match and wins, as it would help increase his popularity. He’s now been a professional for 13 years, and he still hasn’t faced anyone near as good as Porter.

If Crawford misses out on this fight, it would be a shame, particularly if he loses his WBO title in the process by having it stripped.

That would change things for the worse for Crawford because he’ll have little bargaining room in negotiations with IBF/WBC 147-lb champion Spence without his WBO belt.

It’s going to be bad enough for Crawford if Spence successfully defends his titles against Manny Pacquiao on August 21st.

Not only would Spence had the advantage over Crawford as far as titles, his pay-per-view status, but he would also be coming into the fight with a victory over Pacquiao.

Crawford would be fortunate to get a 70-30 split against Spence at that point, which is why he MUST fight Porter to retain his WBO title.

“Again, we’re discussing it with Terence, we’re discussing it with Shawn Porter, and I feel like everybody feels that it’s a pretty good fight. It’ll generate good money, so let’s do the fight. Where there’s a will, there’s a way,” said Arum.

I have a sneaking suspicion the Crawford-Porter bout won’t happen.

I hope I’m wrong.