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Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 07:22**

I’ll give him one thing. He can sell tickets.

Sell out and near sellouts this year. Not sure about gate or how many were comp though.

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 07:48**

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 02:26
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Dec 2019, 23:52
I “talked the talk, and walked the walk”, but you didn’t.

You prematurely formulated a knee-jerk opinion and stubbornly defended that stance regardless the facts... and that’s your issue to deal with, not mine.
You look for technicalities to win arguments. It's obvious Thatcher's point was that the views were low for a fighter deemed the next big ppv star. I don't see where that view is faulty. Yet you hang your argument on something inconsequential as showtime boxing averages should not really apply when talking the next big ppv draw. Broner-Garcia had almost 900k. Even Garcia-Porter cashed in with nearly 100k more than this past weekend's viewership. Tank should be doing better numbers than that, no?

Technicalities?

The media are merely claiming that Tank is a future PPV star, based on his growing audience figures.

I have already provided several articles making such claims, which include stats.

I could have provided at least a dozen more links from different media sources reiterating the very same claims.

The media aren’t stating that he’s already achieved PPV status.

It doesn’t matter whether you agree or disagree with me. And nor does it matter if you’re convinced I’m relying on semantics and technicalities to win arguments.

The numbers are what they are. Based on audience figures, Gervonta Davis is one of Showtime’s biggest stars and his popularity is on the ascendancy. And no one can refute that!

He might not be a PPV star today, but I don’t think anyone is claiming that he is, since he’s never headlined one, but if his viewing figures keep growing at their current rate, he’ll become one in the future.

Unlike Thatcher’s stance, my counter-argument is actually supported by real-world evidence!

And if you regard facts as irrelevant and inconvenient “technicalities”, then that’s your issue to deal with.

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 10:57**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 07:48
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 02:26

You look for technicalities to win arguments. It's obvious Thatcher's point was that the views were low for a fighter deemed the next big ppv star. I don't see where that view is faulty. Yet you hang your argument on something inconsequential as showtime boxing averages should not really apply when talking the next big ppv draw. Broner-Garcia had almost 900k. Even Garcia-Porter cashed in with nearly 100k more than this past weekend's viewership. Tank should be doing better numbers than that, no?
Technicalities?

The media are merely claiming that Tank is a future PPV star, based on his growing audience figures.

I have already provided several articles making such claims, which include stats.

I could have provided at least a dozen more links from different media sources reiterating the very same claims.

The media aren’t stating that he’s already achieved PPV status.

It doesn’t matter whether you agree or disagree with me. And nor does it matter if you’re convinced I’m relying on semantics and technicalities to win arguments.

The numbers are what they are. Based on audience figures, Gervonta Davis is one of Showtime’s biggest stars and his popularity is on the ascendancy. And no one can refute that!

He might not be a PPV star today, but I don’t think anyone is claiming that he is, since he’s never headlined one, but if his viewing figures keep growing at their current rate, he’ll become one in the future.

Unlike Thatcher’s stance, my counter-argument is actually supported by real-world evidence!

And if you regard facts as irrelevant and inconvenient “technicalities”, then that’s your issue to deal with.

I guess it's all a matter of what you seem to register as one of Showtime's biggest stars. After a quick search it's evident that Wilder, Spence, Garcia, Broner, and Porter all pass up Tank in viewership. So if you consider a fighter falling outside of Showtime's top 5 current popular fighters one of their biggest stars, then your claims are certainly irrefutable.

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 12:11**

“I’ve been saying from his first world championship fight, Gervonta ‘Tank’ Davis is one of the biggest draws in the sport,” Ellerbe insisted to Boxing Scene. “We saw it when he beat (Jose Pedraza) for his first world title, the crowd was all the way behind him even in the co-feature (to Badou Jack’s 12-round draw with James Degale). We saw it when we went to England to defend the title (in a May 2017 knockout win over Liam Walsh).

“Now, we seen it this year. Three fights in three separate parts of the country, three sellouts in three different markets.”

“I don’t know where his next fight is going to be, but I guarantee you it’s going to be a sellout wherever it’s takes place,” promises Ellerbe. “He’s one of the biggest draws in the sport today.”

“He’s at that young age of 25, he’s just getting this thing rolling. The fans have embraced him and the best is yet to come.”

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 12:12**

If 600k fans can be bothered watching on regular Showtime. I understand not everyone has it. They have like 50m subs.

How many are gonna want to folk out $70 to watch him fight.

He’d do less than 200k.

Remember FMJ’s first PPV did around 350k.

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 12:48**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 12:12 If 600k fans can be bothered watching on regular Showtime. I understand not everyone has it. They have like 50m subs.

How many are gonna want to folk out $70 to watch him fight.

He’d do less than 200k.

Remember FMJ’s first PPV did around 350k.

50m? That would be shocking. I bet it's more like 20 at most

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 13:59**

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 12:48
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 12:12 If 600k fans can be bothered watching on regular Showtime. I understand not everyone has it. They have like 50m subs.

How many are gonna want to folk out $70 to watch him fight.

He’d do less than 200k.

Remember FMJ’s first PPV did around 350k.
50m? That would be shocking. I bet it's more like 20 at most

Sorry I was thinking of something else.

I just checked. As of Aug 2018, it was 25.5m..

They’ve probably lost some since then eh?

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 14:06**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 13:59
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 12:48

50m? That would be shocking. I bet it's more like 20 at most
Sorry I was thinking of something else.

I just checked. As of Aug 2018, it was 25.5m..

They’ve probably lost some since then eh?

I'd think, but that may include streaming services.

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 17:18**

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 10:57
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 07:48
Technicalities?

The media are merely claiming that Tank is a future PPV star, based on his growing audience figures.

I have already provided several articles making such claims, which include stats.

I could have provided at least a dozen more links from different media sources reiterating the very same claims.

The media aren’t stating that he’s already achieved PPV status.

It doesn’t matter whether you agree or disagree with me. And nor does it matter if you’re convinced I’m relying on semantics and technicalities to win arguments.

The numbers are what they are. Based on audience figures, Gervonta Davis is one of Showtime’s biggest stars and his popularity is on the ascendancy. And no one can refute that!

He might not be a PPV star today, but I don’t think anyone is claiming that he is, since he’s never headlined one, but if his viewing figures keep growing at their current rate, he’ll become one in the future.

Unlike Thatcher’s stance, my counter-argument is actually supported by real-world evidence!

And if you regard facts as irrelevant and inconvenient “technicalities”, then that’s your issue to deal with.
I guess it's all a matter of what you seem to register as one of Showtime's biggest stars. After a quick search it's evident that Wilder, Spence, Garcia, Broner, and Porter all pass up Tank in viewership. So if you consider a fighter falling outside of Showtime's top 5 current popular fighters one of their biggest stars, then your claims are certainly irrefutable.

Provide the stats to support your claims.

If you can’t, then it never happened.

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 17:20**

Who really gives a shite?

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 17:42**

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 17:20 Who really gives a shite?

Normally these types of threads get 5 comments that’s it.

In 24 hours, we’ve seen 60 and 3 pages!!

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 17:48**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 17:42
oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 17:20 Who really gives a shite?
Normally these types of threads get 5 comments that’s it.

In 24 hours, we’ve seen 60 and 3 pages!!

And most surrounding "you know who."

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 17:57**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 17:18
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 10:57

I guess it's all a matter of what you seem to register as one of Showtime's biggest stars. After a quick search it's evident that Wilder, Spence, Garcia, Broner, and Porter all pass up Tank in viewership. So if you consider a fighter falling outside of Showtime's top 5 current popular fighters one of their biggest stars, then your claims are certainly irrefutable.
Provide the stats to support your claims.

If you can’t, then it never happened.

Wilder-Breazeale - 990K
https://www.BS.com/wilders-ko- ... me--139239

Spence-Ocampo - 726K
https://www.BS.com/showtimes-s ... rs--129268

Porter-Garcia - 690K
https://www.BS.com/showtimes-p ... rs--131719

Broner-M Garcia - 937K
https://www.BS.com/garcia-bron ... me--119071

Interesting find while pulling up numbers for EO, Garcia-Thurman numbers which was on CBS. 5.1M views.

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 19:19**

Well, that's that! Good work fellas.

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 20:21**

I think what EO is saying is that Davis’ numbers are on the rise. No one starts off with high figures.

But I do think his team calling him a star, it’s ONLY based on tickets he can sell. It’s all their fault.

They know he has to fight a NAME for his PPV cuz no one will buy Davis vs. B-Lister.

Has to be a true 50-50 fight.

TBH, Spence’s Showtime figures were not good when he broke out on the scene. But he was lucky he fought Mikey Garcia as his first PPV fight. Garcia who was doing better numbers and has a fantastic following.

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 20:26**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 20:21 I think what EO is saying is that Davis’ numbers are on the rise. No one starts off with high figures.

But I do think his team calling him a star, it’s ONLY based on tickets he can sell. It’s all their fault.

They know he has to fight a NAME for his PPV cuz no one will buy Davis vs. B-Lister.

Has to be a true 50-50 fight.

TBH, Spence’s Showtime figures were not good when he broke out on the scene. But he was lucky he fought Mikey Garcia as his first PPV fight. Garcia who was doing better numbers and has a fantastic following.

I understand. I just thought I'd rub some numbers in EO's face.

Plus he wanted me to prove there were 5 current Showtime fighters who had more views than Tank did this past weekend. So I obliged. It's "irrefutable"! Lol

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 20:26**

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 19:19 Well, that's that! Good work fellas.

Damn skippy...

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 22:38**

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 17:57
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 17:18
Provide the stats to support your claims.

If you can’t, then it never happened.

Wilder-Breazeale - 990K
https://www.BS.com/wilders-ko-breazeale ... me--139239

Spence-Ocampo - 726K
https://www.BS.com/showtimes-spence-oca ... rs--129268

Porter-Garcia - 690K
https://www.BS.com/showtimes-porter-gar ... rs--131719

Broner-M Garcia - 937K
https://www.BS.com/garcia-broner-peaked ... me--119071

Interesting find while pulling up numbers for EO, Garcia-Thurman numbers which was on CBS. 5.1M views.

Adrien Broner and Mikey Garcia no longer appear on Showtime. And you clearly don’t understand the meaning of the word “current”.

Time doesn’t stand still. And it’s silly to pretend otherwise, which is why I’m perplexed you’ve listed bouts that took place two or more years ago, as well detailing fighters that have either retired or switched networks.

This isn’t a technicality - instead it’s the truth.

So whether you like it or not, Gervonta Davis is one of Showtime’s biggest stars at the moment.

I’m happy to keep arguing this point with you if you really want to.

I already provided a website in one of my earlier posts in this thread that would allow you to ascertain Showtime’s most recent viewing figures very easily, but I guess there are certain tasks that are easy for me to perform that are extremely challenging for others.

That being said, the main point of my argument was to endorse the media’s claims about Gervonta Davis being a potential future PPV star based on his growing audience figures.

Tank isn’t a PPV star today but we shouldn’t ignore the trajectory of his viewership figures.

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 22:58**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 20:21 I think what EO is saying is that Davis’ numbers are on the rise. No one starts off with high figures.

You’ve nailed it! Absolutely spot on.

I’ve repeatedly conveyed the same claim, but it seems that you’re the only person that can read and comprehend my words.

Posted: **01 Jan 2020, 23:23**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 22:38
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 17:57

Wilder-Breazeale - 990K
https://www.BS.com/wilders-ko-breazeale ... me--139239

Spence-Ocampo - 726K
https://www.BS.com/showtimes-spence-oca ... rs--129268

Porter-Garcia - 690K
https://www.BS.com/showtimes-porter-gar ... rs--131719

Broner-M Garcia - 937K
https://www.BS.com/garcia-broner-peaked ... me--119071

Interesting find while pulling up numbers for EO, Garcia-Thurman numbers which was on CBS. 5.1M views.
Adrien Broner and Mikey Garcia no longer appear on Showtime. And you clearly don’t understand the meaning of the word “current”.

Time doesn’t stand still. And it’s silly to pretend otherwise, which is why I’m perplexed you’ve listed bouts that took place two or more years ago, as well detailing fighters that have either retired or switched networks.

This isn’t a technicality - instead it’s the truth.

So whether you like it or not, Gervonta Davis is one of Showtime’s biggest stars at the moment.

I’m happy to keep arguing this point with you if you really want to.

I already provided a website in one of my earlier posts in this thread that would allow you to ascertain Showtime’s most recent viewing figures very easily, but I guess there are certain tasks that are easy for me to perform that are extremely challenging for others.

That being said, the main point of my argument was to endorse the media’s claims about Gervonta Davis being a potential future PPV star based on his growing audience figures.

Tank isn’t a PPV star today but we shouldn’t ignore the trajectory of his viewership figures.

Boxing is in a sad state of affairs if these peak views are indicative of the next ppv star. It was your claim that these numbers indicate that he is one of the network's biggest stars that made me doubt your claim. It seems to be more a worry for the future of the sport than anything else. I was unaware Garcia and Broner no longer appeared on the network. Looks like Showtime may end up following HBO.

I admit I have not been following the sport too closely the past few years. I suspect it will become pretty dismal as the years pass.

Posted: **02 Jan 2020, 00:00**

Well, this thread has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that verlichte is a pudendum. Sad part is he's not very bright, just the facts.

Posted: **02 Jan 2020, 03:44**

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑01 Jan 2020, 23:23 Boxing is in a sad state of affairs if these peak views are indicative of the next ppv star. It was your claim that these numbers indicate that he is one of the network's biggest stars that made me doubt your claim. It seems to be more a worry for the future of the sport than anything else. I was unaware Garcia and Broner no longer appeared on the network. Looks like Showtime may end up following HBO.

I admit I have not been following the sport too closely the past few years. I suspect it will become pretty dismal as the years pass.

Broner 'retired', but said he's returning. Will likely return this year anyway.

Mikey Garcia has signed a 1-fight deal with DAZN.

After that, he could well be back on Showtime OR Fox.

Posted: **02 Jan 2020, 07:14**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Jan 2020, 03:44 Broner 'retired', but said he's returning. Will likely return this year anyway.

Mikey Garcia has signed a 1-fight deal with DAZN.

After that, he could well be back on Showtime OR Fox.

Neither scenario are considered certainties.

At this point in time, both Broner and Garcia aren’t with Showtime. No one should pretend they are.

And the impractical poster also listed bouts that took place during 2017 and 2018, which clearly doesn’t reflect Showtime’s current audience figures.

Unfortunately for impractical poster, by his own admission, he wasn’t aware of Showtime’s current situation. And that’s not my fault.

That’s the thing about these sort of discussions, people passionately believe they’re entitled to their own opinions and also consider them extremely valuable, even if they don’t really understand the subject matter.

Even if you spoon feed them information and evidence, like I have already done in this thread, they’ll flatly-refuse to review it.

I’m not saying you’re like this, but others are.

Anyway, people are getting sidetracked, I never claimed Gervonta Davis was already a big enough name to be a PPV star. His growing audience figures, gate receipts and social media followers strongly indicate that he might become one in the future.

Posted: **03 Jan 2020, 23:43**

Here's a good look at what Davis did in 2019 on Showtime. He certainly is steadily rising but his numbers aren't all that impressive yet. Right now his events in 2019 average out with the sparse amount of Showtime Championship Boxing events last year. Those events have one huge outlier, and that's the Wilder/Brezeale fight. If you take that out then Tank is outperforming the rest of the events PBC has sent over by about 130,000 viewers on average per show. That's a pretty large discrepancy for Showtime and proof that Davis is the best draw Showtime currently has.

Posted: **04 Jan 2020, 01:15**

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 Dec 2019, 21:20
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑31 Dec 2019, 21:13 If 577k is some burning hot awesome number these days it says something not too good about the state of the sport's popularity in the US
Boxing's popularity in the US is pretty abysmal.

I’m pretty sure there was a fairly big college football game on at the same time which would have taken some viewers away or who didn’t know the fight was on.

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