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Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 18 Jan 2020, 08:31
by DrDuke
Kownacki will stop Helenius. It's tough to pick Helenius after Washington loss. Actually, from the technical aspect Helenius is better, than Kownacki. But overall Helenius also should have been better, than Washington, who KOed Helenius in a tough competetive fight. The problem of Helenius is that he's not a gutsy fighter. If he is troubled he can be broken. Kownacki, with his relentless pressure and excellent chin, can trouble Helenius for sure. Helenius will probably look decent until mid or late rounds, when he'll be stopped.

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 18 Jan 2020, 12:29
by brilo33
the polish bulldozer will stop helenuis, i thought adam would be fighting better opponents by now , bring on the miller or is he on a ban or hunter

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 19 Jan 2020, 03:20
by Heretic
DrDuke wrote: 18 Jan 2020, 08:31 Kownacki will stop Helenius. It's tough to pick Helenius after Washington loss. Actually, from the technical aspect Helenius is better, than Kownacki. But overall Helenius also should have been better, than Washington, who KOed Helenius in a tough competetive fight. The problem of Helenius is that he's not a gutsy fighter. If he is troubled he can be broken. Kownacki, with his relentless pressure and excellent chin, can trouble Helenius for sure. Helenius will probably look decent until mid or late rounds, when he'll be stopped.
When has Helenius been broken?

He went 12 with both Chisora and Whyte. Hes never been troubled by pressure.

He lost to Duhaupas when he punched himself out against opponent that is really hard to KO. Duhaupas finished the Wilder fight on hes feet.

Against Washington he got caught by one clean shot in a fight he was winning.

This is a good match up. Youll see in the fight night :box:

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 19 Jan 2020, 03:35
by DrDuke
Heretic wrote: 19 Jan 2020, 03:20
DrDuke wrote: 18 Jan 2020, 08:31 Kownacki will stop Helenius. It's tough to pick Helenius after Washington loss. Actually, from the technical aspect Helenius is better, than Kownacki. But overall Helenius also should have been better, than Washington, who KOed Helenius in a tough competetive fight. The problem of Helenius is that he's not a gutsy fighter. If he is troubled he can be broken. Kownacki, with his relentless pressure and excellent chin, can trouble Helenius for sure. Helenius will probably look decent until mid or late rounds, when he'll be stopped.
When has Helenius been broken?

He went 12 with both Chisora and Whyte. Hes never been troubled by pressure.

He lost to Duhaupas when he punched himself out against opponent that is really hard to KO. Duhaupas finished the Wilder fight on hes feet.

Against Washington he got caught by one clean shot in a fight he was winning.

This is a good match up. Youll see in the fight night :box:
He was showing no effort vs Whyte. He was troubled by Whyte's pressure and wasn't able to handle it.

He also wasn't looking dominant against Duhaupas. It wasn't a type of fight, when someone punches himself out and the other guy takes over. Duhaupas had his moments through the fight.

And Washington fight was quite even. Washington didn't win only on a one punch.

Helenius is quite inconsistent. He can be prepared well, he can be unprepared. That's where he can be broken. He was talking some kind of an injury after Whyte fight. And he probably indeed underestimated both Duhaupas and Washington. Of course, he will take Kownacki seriously, but after everything, that happend to Helenius, Kownacki has a lot of clues what to do.

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 19 Jan 2020, 03:38
by margaret thatcher
Duhaupas and Washignton have never ktfo anyone like they have Helenius, neither is even a puncher. So it's fair to question his durability. He was beating Washington but then got folded brutally.

That said though, I mean, Kownacki barely beat Martin, was hospitalized by Kiladze, and had a much tougher time with shopworn Arreola than most thought he would. It wouldn't be surprising if he struggled or anything like that.

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 19 Jan 2020, 03:43
by DrDuke
margaret thatcher wrote: 19 Jan 2020, 03:38 Duhaupas and Washignton have never ktfo anyone like they have Helenius, neither is even a puncher. So it's fair to question his durability. He was beating Washington but then got folded brutally.

That said though, I mean, Kownacki barely beat Martin, was hospitalized by Kiladze, and had a much tougher time with shopworn Arreola than most thought he would. It wouldn't be surprising if he struggled or anything like that.
Kownacki is a defenceless fighter. He relies on his chin and durability. Helenius is a type of fighter to outbox the likes of Kownacki, but, looking on their respective statuses, it's hard to pick Helenius. He has shown vulnerabilities, he was broken and KOed not once. And Kownacki is in his best condition now.

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 19 Jan 2020, 07:06
by Onetimeonly
Kownacki has an excellent chin?

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 19 Jan 2020, 08:32
by DrDuke
Onetimeonly wrote: 19 Jan 2020, 07:06 Kownacki has an excellent chin?
After all that stuff, that he takes almost every his fight without getting hurt much, his chin isn't excellent?

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 19 Jan 2020, 08:33
by JxhDel.
Helenius has now become a walking target for heavyweight contenders. Kownacki brutalizes him

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 19 Jan 2020, 08:36
by Onetimeonly
DrDuke wrote: 19 Jan 2020, 08:32
Onetimeonly wrote: 19 Jan 2020, 07:06 Kownacki has an excellent chin?
After all that stuff, that he takes almost every his fight without getting hurt much, his chin isn't excellent?
Martin hurt him more than once. He can take a shot, but it's amusing to pretend it's iron when some if the same people, not insinuating yourself, would call wilders chin weak.

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 19 Jan 2020, 09:32
by DrDuke
Onetimeonly wrote: 19 Jan 2020, 08:36
DrDuke wrote: 19 Jan 2020, 08:32

After all that stuff, that he takes almost every his fight without getting hurt much, his chin isn't excellent?
Martin hurt him more than once. He can take a shot, but it's amusing to pretend it's iron when some if the same people, not insinuating yourself, would call wilders chin weak.
I would call Wilder's chin very good as well. He took some bombs without getting knocked down through his career. Ortiz bout #1 showed a lot in particular. And he had only one mysterious KD up to date.

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. TBA - March 7, 2020

Posted: 19 Jan 2020, 15:48
by world ranked
world ranked wrote: 03 Jan 2020, 20:32 Don't No meaningful opponent. Just waiting for that Wilder ticket.
:TU: pretty simple some people don't seem to understand the business aspect. Why would he get a good opponent when he basically has a title shot on deck.

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 20 Jan 2020, 06:08
by Heretic
DrDuke wrote: 19 Jan 2020, 03:35
Heretic wrote: 19 Jan 2020, 03:20

When has Helenius been broken?

He went 12 with both Chisora and Whyte. Hes never been troubled by pressure.

He lost to Duhaupas when he punched himself out against opponent that is really hard to KO. Duhaupas finished the Wilder fight on hes feet.

Against Washington he got caught by one clean shot in a fight he was winning.

This is a good match up. Youll see in the fight night :box:
He was showing no effort vs Whyte. He was troubled by Whyte's pressure and wasn't able to handle it.

He also wasn't looking dominant against Duhaupas. It wasn't a type of fight, when someone punches himself out and the other guy takes over. Duhaupas had his moments through the fight.

And Washington fight was quite even. Washington didn't win only on a one punch.

Helenius is quite inconsistent. He can be prepared well, he can be unprepared. That's where he can be broken. He was talking some kind of an injury after Whyte fight. And he probably indeed underestimated both Duhaupas and Washington. Of course, he will take Kownacki seriously, but after everything, that happend to Helenius, Kownacki has a lot of clues what to do.
Helenius got the Whyte fight on two weeks notice and had bad flu at the time. Still he went 12 rounds with Whyte and even hurt him couple of times.

Helenius was totally out of steam at the time of the stoppage in the Duhaupas fight. Conditioning has been hes biggest issue trough the career. That and injuries.

After this fight we will know how good of a chin the pole actually has :box:

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 20 Jan 2020, 14:41
by KiwiRider
Heretic wrote: 20 Jan 2020, 06:08
DrDuke wrote: 19 Jan 2020, 03:35

He was showing no effort vs Whyte. He was troubled by Whyte's pressure and wasn't able to handle it.

He also wasn't looking dominant against Duhaupas. It wasn't a type of fight, when someone punches himself out and the other guy takes over. Duhaupas had his moments through the fight.

And Washington fight was quite even. Washington didn't win only on a one punch.

Helenius is quite inconsistent. He can be prepared well, he can be unprepared. That's where he can be broken. He was talking some kind of an injury after Whyte fight. And he probably indeed underestimated both Duhaupas and Washington. Of course, he will take Kownacki seriously, but after everything, that happend to Helenius, Kownacki has a lot of clues what to do.
Helenius got the Whyte fight on two weeks notice and had bad flu at the time. Still he went 12 rounds with Whyte and even hurt him couple of times.

Helenius was totally out of steam at the time of the stoppage in the Duhaupas fight. Conditioning has been hes biggest issue trough the career. That and injuries.

After this fight we will know how good of a chin the pole actually has :box:
Didn't Helenius also injure his right hand in the second round Vs Whyte?

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 20 Jan 2020, 15:05
by Onetimeonly
KiwiRider wrote: 20 Jan 2020, 14:41
Heretic wrote: 20 Jan 2020, 06:08

Helenius got the Whyte fight on two weeks notice and had bad flu at the time. Still he went 12 rounds with Whyte and even hurt him couple of times.

Helenius was totally out of steam at the time of the stoppage in the Duhaupas fight. Conditioning has been hes biggest issue trough the career. That and injuries.

After this fight we will know how good of a chin the pole actually has :box:
Didn't Helenius also injure his right hand in the second round Vs Whyte?
He always has something pulsating.

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 21 Jan 2020, 02:59
by Heretic
KiwiRider wrote: 20 Jan 2020, 14:41
Heretic wrote: 20 Jan 2020, 06:08

Helenius got the Whyte fight on two weeks notice and had bad flu at the time. Still he went 12 rounds with Whyte and even hurt him couple of times.

Helenius was totally out of steam at the time of the stoppage in the Duhaupas fight. Conditioning has been hes biggest issue trough the career. That and injuries.

After this fight we will know how good of a chin the pole actually has :box:
Didn't Helenius also injure his right hand in the second round Vs Whyte?
I have not heard about hand injury in Whyte fight.

When he fought Chisora he did injure hes hand.

I have posted this before but here it is again... Helenius shortly after the Whyte fight.


Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 21 Jan 2020, 06:48
by Enlightened-One
Heretic wrote: 21 Jan 2020, 02:59
KiwiRider wrote: 20 Jan 2020, 14:41
Didn't Helenius also injure his right hand in the second round Vs Whyte?
I have not heard about hand injury in Whyte fight.

When he fought Chisora he did injure hes hand.

I have posted this before but here it is again... Helenius shortly after the Whyte fight.

Helenius said he hurt his hand against Sprott.

Helenius said that one of his hands was injured against Chisora.

Helenius blamed illness, taking the fight at short-notice and also lacking fitness for his poor performance against Whyte.

It seems that Helenius likes to cite excuses for his losses or poor performances.

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 21 Jan 2020, 07:08
by Heretic
Enlightened-One wrote: 21 Jan 2020, 06:48
Heretic wrote: 21 Jan 2020, 02:59

I have not heard about hand injury in Whyte fight.

When he fought Chisora he did injure hes hand.

I have posted this before but here it is again... Helenius shortly after the Whyte fight.

Helenius said he hurt his hand against Sprott.

Helenius said that one of his hands was injured against Chisora.

Helenius blamed illness, taking the fight at short-notice and also lacking fitness for his poor performance against Whyte.

It seems that Helenius likes to cite excuses for his losses or poor performances.
Don't we all :twisted:

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 21 Jan 2020, 14:29
by KiwiRider
Enlightened-One wrote: 21 Jan 2020, 06:48
Heretic wrote: 21 Jan 2020, 02:59

I have not heard about hand injury in Whyte fight.

When he fought Chisora he did injure hes hand.

I have posted this before but here it is again... Helenius shortly after the Whyte fight.

Helenius said he hurt his hand against Sprott.

Helenius said that one of his hands was injured against Chisora.

Helenius blamed illness, taking the fight at short-notice and also lacking fitness for his poor performance against Whyte.

It seems that Helenius likes to cite excuses for his losses or poor performances.
Ah :TU:
Thanks for clearing that up EO.
I got my excuse Vs opponent mixed up.

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 01 Mar 2020, 17:14
by handsofstone
I was surprised Kownacki didn't get Arreola out of there but seeing as Arreola broke compubox stats I imagine nothing Kownacki done wouldve been enough,, was there testing in that fight


Kownacki will still beat Helenius comfortably though, he has known to be durable now and again but has been stopped by lesser men, Helenius was no more than Eurpean level in his prime, he's long passed that now, I'm not massive on Kownacki but he has got some solid wins and probably better ones than the one he'll probably get over Helenius, obviously a KO win for Kownacki is more impressive but however he does it wont tell us much

It sounds like I'm shitting on this, it isn't the worst fight for someone at Kownackis level by any stretch but it does have a sense of formality about it, I'll say it goes the distance

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 05 Mar 2020, 09:43
by Ruthless-RKO
Adam Kownacki vs Robert Helenius media workout round-up for Saturday

Undefeated Polish star and Brooklyn native Adam Kownacki and Robert Helenius took part in a fight week media workout Wednesday before they meet in a WBA Heavyweight title eliminator headlining FOX PBC Fight Night and on FOX Deportes this Saturday, March 7 from Barclays Center, the home of BROOKLYN BOXING™.

Also participating in the workout were heavyweight sensation Efe Ajagba and Razvan Cojanu, who battle in the co-main event, plus rising heavyweight Frank Sanchez, who takes on Joey Dawejko to open the night of heavyweight action at 8 p.m. ET/5 p.m. PT.

Tickets for the event, which is promoted by TGB Promotions, are on sale now and can be purchased at Ticketmaster.com and barclayscenter.com. Tickets are also available for purchase now at the American Express Box Office at Barclays Center.

Here is what the fighters had to say Wednesday from world famous Gleason’s Gym in Brooklyn:

ADAM KOWNACKI

“It’s been a hard camp and we’ve been doing extra strength and conditioning to make sure I’m ready. We also worked hard on our skills like we always do. It’s all going to add up to a great fight on Saturday.

“It’s great to be headlining on FOX. We’ve done a lot of promotion and I love doing interviews with the media. I definitely want to make the most of being on this stage.

“Right now I’m just focused on Robert Helenius. It’s going to be a tough test and a tall test. I have to be ready to exact my game plan and pass the test.

“His jab is the main thing I’m focused on. If I can get past his jab, I think I’m going to have a lot of success. When I get inside, I’m going to punish him and If I get the chance, I’ll be ready to end the fight.

“I want to fight the best. My team will talk about what’s next for me and what kind of step up I can get. Right now I’m just focused on March 7 and what’s going to be in front of me.

“The support here in Brooklyn keeps getting bigger and I love it. It shows that if you’re a kid from Brooklyn, you can make your dreams come true. Hard work is all it takes.

“Of course there’s pressure on me fighting at home. But if you want to be great, you have to perform in those situations. It’s going to keep getting bigger and bigger and I’m going to keep putting the work in get better and better.”


ROBERT HELENIUS

“I’m going to stick and move and show off my boxing skills. We’ve been training to take advantage of the flaws in his defense and if the opportunity comes for the knockout, we’ll take it. We’ve trained hard to make sure I have the stamina to take advantage even if it’s the final round.

“Adam had a tough fight with Chris Arreola and he’s getting getting more and more experience. He’s a hungry fighter and I think that’s going to make it a great fight for the fans.

“I have a lot of experience in the pros and amateurs from 20 years of being in the sport. I’ve spent a lot of time in the gym and in the ring and it’s going to help me on Saturday.

“I can’t let him get too close to me. I’m going to try to control the distance. I’ve done everything I needed to in training so that I’m at my best on Saturday.

“I’m only focused on this fight against Kownacki. I’ve made the mistake of looking ahead to future fights and overlooking an opponent. That’s an easy way to lose. I’m not going down that road.

“The jab will be my biggest weapon. I have to use it to setup the hard right behind it. I’ve had so many rounds in sparring working on everything, I don’t even know how many rounds it is.

“Every heavyweight hits hard, but I think that Adam is more about volume. I have to be ready for the knockout punch, but he’s more focused on breaking down an opponent and overwhelming them with punches.”

EFE AJAGBA

“I’m very excited for this opportunity to be here for this fight. This is another big opportunity for me on Saturday night. I’ve watched the mistakes of my last fight and I worked hard to get better for Saturday night.

“Every fight is good experience for me. I wasn’t happy with my performance in my last fight. I want to deliver the best that I can every time I fight.

“Ronnie Shields is the best in the game. Sometimes I forget to follow the game plan but he’s good at getting my attention and making sure I get back on track. He knows what I have to do to win each fight.

“My head movement and footwork are the big things I’ve focused on since my last fight. I know I have to put them together to be as good as I can defensively. I also need to make sure I’m throwing combinations, instead of just one punch at a time.”

RAZVAN COJANU

“It’s been a long journey for me training the last six or seven weeks for this fight. I sparred in camp with Charles Martin and with Frank Sanchez and it’s been great. I couldn’t ask to be in better shape than I am right now.

“This is heavyweight boxing, so nobody is invincible. People talk like Efe like he’s supernatural, but I saw his last six or seven fights, he’s a strong fighter, but I think that I’m going to give my best performance Saturday night.

“I really sacrificed myself in this training camp and for this fight. I’m 100 percent mentally focused and I’m going to be 100 percent ready on fight night.

“My experience should help me on fight night. I’ve been unlucky in some of my past fights, because I had almost no training camp before fighting. Right now I’ve had a great camp and I have an important fight in front of me.

“My night is coming this Saturday night. I believe it’s all come together toward this moment. Boxing is not easy, we suffer in training camp. I did everything necessary to have my best camp and have my best fight against Ajagba.”

FRANK SANCHEZ

“We’ve done amazing work in camp with Eddy Reynoso and his team. It’s been fantastic. They welcomed me with open arms and have taught me a lot already.

“I’ve watched Dawejko fight and seen what he likes to do in the ring. The only thing I can say for sure is that he doesn’t have the conditioning that I have.

“This is another step in my career onto bigger things. I need to look sharp and I plan on taking the work from training camp and putting it into my performance.

“I feel like I’m ready for a world title fight right now. I can’t look past this fight though. This is a big platform for me and I know that I have to take care of business.”

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 05 Mar 2020, 13:07
by Ruthless-RKO
Here's how you can watch.

•Date: Saturday, March 7
•Time: 8 pm ET
•TV: FOX
•Live Stream: Showtime app

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 06 Mar 2020, 08:47
by Ruthless-RKO
Running Order

*Please note, all fights subject to change without notice.

10 Round Heavyweight contest
Frank SANCHEZ v Joey DAWEJKO

Follows

10 Round Heavyweight contest
Efe AJAGBA v Razvan COJANU

Follows

Eliminator for the WBA World Heavyweight Title
Adam KOWNACKI v Robert HELENIUS

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Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 06 Mar 2020, 14:49
by Ruthless-RKO
Weights: Adam Kownacki 265¼-Pounds, Robert Helenius 238½

Kownacki, who’s a 25-1 favorite over the 36-year-old Helenius, stopped Washington in the second round of their January 2019 bout at Barclays Center.

FOX will televise Kownacki-Helenius as the main event of a three-fight telecast that’ll start at 8 p.m. ET/5 p.m. PT.

Earlier Friday, unbeaten Nigerian prospect Efe Ajagba officially weighed 242½ pounds for his 10-round heavyweight fight against Romania’s Razvan Cojanu, who weighed in at 255½ pounds. FOX will show the Ajagba-Cojanu contest immediately prior to Kownacki-Helenius.

Handicappers have installed the 25-year-old, 6-feet-6 Ajagba (12-0, 10 KOs) as a 50-1 favorite to beat the 6-feet-7½ Cojanu (17-6, 9 KOs), a 32-year-old veteran who has been knocked out three times.

Also Friday, Cuban heavyweight prospect Frank Sanchez (14-0, 11 KOs) weighed in at 222¼ pounds for his 10-rounder versus Joey Dawejko on Saturday night. Philadelphia’s Dawejko (20-7-4, 11 KOs) was 25 pounds heavier than Sanchez, 247½ pounds, when he got on the NYSAC’s scale.

Most Internet sports books have made Sanchez a 10-1 favorite. Sanchez-Dawejko will open FOX’s broadcast.

Re: Adam Kownacki vs. Robert Helenius - March 7, 2020

Posted: 06 Mar 2020, 15:13
by KiwiRider
Hmmm, I thought Kownacki would be a bit lighter for this one.
After the Arreola fight he did say his weight was too high, and that was what slowed him down.