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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:28 so what exactly is berterbiev's argument that you think makes this debatable, world my man?

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:31

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:28 so what exactly is berterbiev's argument that you think makes this debatable, world my man?

One thing Cent said the he did that made sense was Beterbiev has the overall better win.

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:23

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:20

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:50

Do you think Callum Johnson is same level as Harrison and if so why?

Because Harrison also did not beat anybody better that this "british level" . Other than close first fight with Charlo (which he lost IMO) his best wins are Ishe Smith and Tyrone Brunson. They are equivalents for Frank Buglioni and Sean Monaghan.

You can't say other than Charlo and there's no other than for Johnson and secondly wasn't Ishe Smith a world champ? Harrison beat two champs how many Johnson beat?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:36

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:31

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:28 so what exactly is berterbiev's argument that you think makes this debatable, world my man?

One thing Cent said the he did that made sense was Beterbiev has the overall better win.

Beterbiev's win over Gvozdyk is probably the single best win between either he or Jermell Charlo, but Jermell has a good bit more pretty high level wins than Beterbiev overall.

And Jermell's best win, which would probably be Rosario I guess isn't real far away from Gvozdyk. Because remember Gvozdyk really only had a couple of particularly noteworthy wins himself.

The toughest challenge for Jermell at 154 would probably still be Erislandy Lara for now.

I'm actually kinda surprised more Welterweights haven't moved up to challenge at 154, it's kinda a weak division right now to be honest.

Not referring to Jermell who is a strong Champion there, but the other titleholders at 154 are quite beatable.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:41

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:23

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:20

Because Harrison also did not beat anybody better that this "british level" . Other than close first fight with Charlo (which he lost IMO) his best wins are Ishe Smith and Tyrone Brunson. They are equivalents for Frank Buglioni and Sean Monaghan.

You can't say other than Charlo and there's no other than for Johnson and secondly wasn't Ishe Smith a world champ? Harrison beat two champs how many Johnson beat?

Ok man you obviously cannot accept somebody has other opinion than you. Im not used to argue someone on internet, especially in english Im just saying this. Gvozdyk win is better than anything Charlo accomplishment in his boxing career. That single win (not only W in record but the way how he demolished prime, undefeated, proven, young world champion) put Beterbiev over Charlo for now for me(im saying now, because Charlo has years of prime ahead of him and probably he will accomplish more than Beterbiev in future). If you want still argue about it, find someone else man

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:51

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:36

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:31

One thing Cent said the he did that made sense was Beterbiev has the overall better win.

Beterbiev's win over Gvozdyk is probably the single best win between either he or Jermell Charlo, but Jermell has a good bit more pretty high level wins than Beterbiev overall.

And Jermell's best win, which would probably be Rosario I guess isn't real far away from Gvozdyk. Because remember Gvozdyk really only had a couple of particularly noteworthy wins himself.

The toughest challenge for Jermell at 154 would probably still be Erislandy Lara for now.

I'm actually kinda surprised more Welterweights haven't moved up to challenge at 154, it's kinda a weak division right now to be honest.

Not referring to Jermell who is a strong Champion there, but the other titleholders at 154 are quite beatable.

I agree with all you said except that 54 weak division. I don't think it strongest or deepest but I think it's pretty good and deep. The quality at the top isn't as great as lets say 115 but it much much more deeper which should account for something. At 115 you have 4/5 guys but after the that theres not many guys who can replace them as top guys. But 54 has a Horn or Conwell or Fundora, Castano, Murtakhiem

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:56

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:41

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:23

You can't say other than Charlo and there's no other than for Johnson and secondly wasn't Ishe Smith a world champ? Harrison beat two champs how many Johnson beat?

Ok man you obviously cannot accept somebody has other opinion than you. Im not used to argue someone on internet, especially in english Im just saying this. Gvozdyk win is better than anything Charlo accomplishment in his boxing career. That single win (not only W in record but the way how he demolished prime, undefeated, proven, young world champion) put Beterbiev over Charlo for now for me(im saying now, because Charlo has years of prime ahead of him and probably he will accomplish more than Beterbiev in future). If you want still argue about it, find someone else man

You keep ignoring the number of champions Harrison beat. The debate isn't about your opinion. It's the fact you brought up Callum Johnson, Seanie Monaghan as the bases as how you come with Beterbiev having a better resume.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:58

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:51

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:36

Beterbiev's win over Gvozdyk is probably the single best win between either he or Jermell Charlo, but Jermell has a good bit more pretty high level wins than Beterbiev overall.

And Jermell's best win, which would probably be Rosario I guess isn't real far away from Gvozdyk. Because remember Gvozdyk really only had a couple of particularly noteworthy wins himself.

The toughest challenge for Jermell at 154 would probably still be Erislandy Lara for now.

I'm actually kinda surprised more Welterweights haven't moved up to challenge at 154, it's kinda a weak division right now to be honest.

Not referring to Jermell who is a strong Champion there, but the other titleholders at 154 are quite beatable.

I agree with all you said except that 54 weak division. I don't think it strongest or deepest but I think it's pretty good and deep. The quality at the top isn't as great as lets say 115 but it much much more deeper which should account for something. At 115 you have 4/5 guys but after the that theres not many guys who can replace them as top guys. But 54 has a Horn or Conwell or Fundora, Castano, Murtakhiem

Horn f*cking sucks. His one win of note is a win he didn't deserve, and incidentally he hasn't won a meaningful fight since.

Fundora is fun to watch. I'm not sure with Conwell or Murtakhiem.

I'd almost guarantee you that a guy like Terence Crawford could move up to 154, and take a belt in their 1st bout there if given the chance.

Hell Jaron Ennis could I think. Maybe even Keith Thurman, but that's more of a long shot.

Spence possibly could, if he hasn't lost anything following the wreck which we won't know for sure until the Danny Garcia bout.

Personally I wish 154 just didn't exist, but that's neither here nor there.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 04:28 Published in today's RING ratings update:

Charlo’s accomplishments over his 12-year pro career prompted one member of the Ring Ratings Panel to suggest his inclusion in the magazine’s pound-for-pound rankings.

“I would like to bring Jermell Charlo in at No. 9, pound for pound,” said panelist Adam Abramowitz. “(He’s a) three-belt world champion, (his) dubious loss (to Tony Harrison) was avenged with a knockout. (He’s) faced much better competition than (current No. 9-rated Artur) Beterbiev. I think he’s clearly one of the 10 best in the sport.

“And like Beterbiev, he won all his current belts by knockout. No debate on his victories.”

For the record, The RING’s pound-for-pound ratings haven’t been updated yet to reflect the outcome of last weekend’s bouts. We’ll probably have to wait a couple of weeks’ for this to happen.

world ranked wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 19:05

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 04:28 Published in today's RING ratings update:

Charlo’s accomplishments over his 12-year pro career prompted one member of the Ring Ratings Panel to suggest his inclusion in the magazine’s pound-for-pound rankings.

“I would like to bring Jermell Charlo in at No. 9, pound for pound,” said panelist Adam Abramowitz. “(He’s a) three-belt world champion, (his) dubious loss (to Tony Harrison) was avenged with a knockout. (He’s) faced much better competition than (current No. 9-rated Artur) Beterbiev. I think he’s clearly one of the 10 best in the sport.

“And like Beterbiev, he won all his current belts by knockout. No debate on his victories.”

For the record, The RING’s pound-for-pound ratings haven’t been updated yet to reflect the outcome of last weekend’s bouts. We’ll probably have to wait a couple of weeks’ for this to happen.

I knew I wasn't the only one who believes Charlo has the better resume.