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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 May 2021, 14:56 he did win the first fight, even without the kds he won more rounds than fury in that one

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 May 2021, 14:56 he did win the first fight, even without the kds he won more rounds than fury in that one

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 May 2021, 14:39 notice a growing trend of ppl picking wilder cuz of thinking furys gonna be unprepared

anyone picked wilder for all 3?

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑29 May 2021, 16:17

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 May 2021, 14:39 notice a growing trend of ppl picking wilder cuz of thinking furys gonna be unprepared

anyone picked wilder for all 3?

I picked Wilder for the first two.

This time I'm going with Fury... So get ready to bet your house in Wilder

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑29 May 2021, 17:58 This 3rd fight feels like a waste of time. Fury's management are a joke !

The biggest loser in all this is Fury and his legacy, whilst AJ keeps marching forwards and on to his next contender.

I'd pretty much lost all respect for Fury after Klitschko and now it's nose dived even lower

AJ v Usyk on the other other hand is fascinating

emallini wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 11:31 Is this fight official?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 12:59

emallini wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 11:31 Is this fight official?

There’s been no official press release.. don’t know if Wilder has signed the contract.

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 17:32 It was the AJ v Fury fight that was never officially official ! The great mastermind Bob Arum had repeatedly assured Hearn that Wilder's arbitration hearing would NOT present a problem to AJ v Fury.

One thing always seemed odd about all this and that's as soon as Fury's team tried to push ahead with Fury v Kayabel, Wilder's team put a halt to it....why would the ending be any different once December 2020 passed and Fury's management didn't exercise their get-out clause (or whatever it was)

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 19:19

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 17:32 It was the AJ v Fury fight that was never officially official ! The great mastermind Bob Arum had repeatedly assured Hearn that Wilder's arbitration hearing would NOT present a problem to AJ v Fury.

One thing always seemed odd about all this and that's as soon as Fury's team tried to push ahead with Fury v Kayabel, Wilder's team put a halt to it....why would the ending be any different once December 2020 passed and Fury's management didn't exercise their get-out clause (or whatever it was)

Fury could have fought Kabayel. Wilder had nothing to do with that happening. It wasn’t FW couldn’t promise certain funds for Fury to fight in the UK.

liamlion wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 09:07

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 19:19

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 17:32 It was the AJ v Fury fight that was never officially official ! The great mastermind Bob Arum had repeatedly assured Hearn that Wilder's arbitration hearing would NOT present a problem to AJ v Fury.

One thing always seemed odd about all this and that's as soon as Fury's team tried to push ahead with Fury v Kayabel, Wilder's team put a halt to it....why would the ending be any different once December 2020 passed and Fury's management didn't exercise their get-out clause (or whatever it was)

Fury could have fought Kabayel. Wilder had nothing to do with that happening. It wasn’t FW couldn’t promise certain funds for Fury to fight in the UK.

Youre wrong. Wilder’s team started arbitration last year. It’s stopped Fury from fighting anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxin ... ar-US.html

liamlion wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 09:07

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 19:19

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 17:32 It was the AJ v Fury fight that was never officially official ! The great mastermind Bob Arum had repeatedly assured Hearn that Wilder's arbitration hearing would NOT present a problem to AJ v Fury.

One thing always seemed odd about all this and that's as soon as Fury's team tried to push ahead with Fury v Kayabel, Wilder's team put a halt to it....why would the ending be any different once December 2020 passed and Fury's management didn't exercise their get-out clause (or whatever it was)

Fury could have fought Kabayel. Wilder had nothing to do with that happening. It wasn’t FW couldn’t promise certain funds for Fury to fight in the UK.

Youre wrong. Wilder’s team started arbitration last year. It’s stopped Fury from fighting anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxin ... ar-US.html

maverick23 wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 09:14

liamlion wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 09:07

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 19:19

Fury could have fought Kabayel. Wilder had nothing to do with that happening. It wasn’t FW couldn’t promise certain funds for Fury to fight in the UK.

Youre wrong. Wilder’s team started arbitration last year. It’s stopped Fury from fighting anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxin ... ar-US.html

There was no mention at the time from those involved that the reason I didn’t happen was because of the Wilder arbitration. Given what’s happened now that may well have stopped the fight from happening but they didn’t get that far because they couldn’t get the money together for Fury to fight in the U.K.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 09:15

liamlion wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 09:07

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 19:19

Fury could have fought Kabayel. Wilder had nothing to do with that happening. It wasn’t FW couldn’t promise certain funds for Fury to fight in the UK.

Youre wrong. Wilder’s team started arbitration last year. It’s stopped Fury from fighting anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxin ... ar-US.html

Then Arum came out and said they couldn’t do shit. I never take any boxing news from British tabloids seriously.

liamlion wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 09:28

maverick23 wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 09:14

liamlion wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 09:07

Youre wrong. Wilder’s team started arbitration last year. It’s stopped Fury from fighting anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxin ... ar-US.html

There was no mention at the time from those involved that the reason I didn’t happen was because of the Wilder arbitration. Given what’s happened now that may well have stopped the fight from happening but they didn’t get that far because they couldn’t get the money together for Fury to fight in the U.K.

You aren’t going to go ahead and arrange a fight when legal action is commenced and youre likely going to be stopped from fighting by an injunction. That’s logical.

And why not just arrange a fight in America against a cheap opponent if it was just about a lack of UK funding?

Fury was massively frustrated that he didn’t fight in December. If it was about cash why did he not just agree to a smaller proportionate purse?

maverick23 wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 10:09

liamlion wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 09:28

maverick23 wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 09:14

There was no mention at the time from those involved that the reason I didn’t happen was because of the Wilder arbitration. Given what’s happened now that may well have stopped the fight from happening but they didn’t get that far because they couldn’t get the money together for Fury to fight in the U.K.

You aren’t going to go ahead and arrange a fight when legal action is commenced and youre likely going to be stopped from fighting by an injunction. That’s logical.

And why not just arrange a fight in America against a cheap opponent if it was just about a lack of UK funding?

Fury was massively frustrated that he didn’t fight in December. If it was about cash why did he not just agree to a smaller proportionate purse?

You may well be right that the reason he didn’t fight was because of the Wilder arbitration but that’s not what anyone (Arum, FW, Tyson) said at the time re: the December U.K. fight. It was simply they couldn’t sort the necessary funds.

Tyson would have wanted to be paid extremely well, next to no fans, having to mess around with a start time to suit both U.K. and ESPN.

Re: fighting in America, Tyson against a no name with no fans isn’t going to deliver the ratings needed to justify the purse Tyson would be wanting. For a non-PPV fight in the US, I would have thought the most ESPN would be willing to pay is $5-6m for him. Coupled with a super late start, not much of an opponent then it wouldn’t deliver big U.K. PPV numbers either.

liamlion wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 14:39

maverick23 wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 10:09

liamlion wrote: ↑31 May 2021, 09:28

You aren’t going to go ahead and arrange a fight when legal action is commenced and youre likely going to be stopped from fighting by an injunction. That’s logical.

And why not just arrange a fight in America against a cheap opponent if it was just about a lack of UK funding?

Fury was massively frustrated that he didn’t fight in December. If it was about cash why did he not just agree to a smaller proportionate purse?

You may well be right that the reason he didn’t fight was because of the Wilder arbitration but that’s not what anyone (Arum, FW, Tyson) said at the time re: the December U.K. fight. It was simply they couldn’t sort the necessary funds.

Tyson would have wanted to be paid extremely well, next to no fans, having to mess around with a start time to suit both U.K. and ESPN.

Re: fighting in America, Tyson against a no name with no fans isn’t going to deliver the ratings needed to justify the purse Tyson would be wanting. For a non-PPV fight in the US, I would have thought the most ESPN would be willing to pay is $5-6m for him. Coupled with a super late start, not much of an opponent then it wouldn’t deliver big U.K. PPV numbers either.

I remember it being speculated that warren couldn’t afford to stage the fight and I agree that there was no mass public mention of arbitration but it was reported in the uk press at the time and I’ve shared the link above to evidence this. But the fact is that wilder commenced arbitration in 2020 upon the suggestion that fury would not fight him for a third time despite being contractually obliged to do so.

Parties to ongoing legal action don’t tend to make public comment about it. It can prejudice the outcome of the proceedings.

Fury might want to have been properly paid but the reality is that he couldn’t have fought had he wanted as he was in a contractual dispute that was going through arbitration. The outcome of the arbitration has essentially proved it. If it didn’t have teeth then fury wouldn’t now be fighting Wilder.

We know that fury would have fought in December if he had been able to because warren gave a proposed date, location (Albert hall) and opponent. It was going to happen but for wilder commencing arbitration and throwing a spanner in the works.